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I'm of two minds. Is everything about 'campaigns'? Marketing? What was the discussion in Cook's office?

"Mandela died."

"Didn't we use him in 'Think Different?' Does Marketing still have rights to his image?"

"Let's update the homepage for a week with a memorial, then resume the holiday theme."

Corporations Are People, Too. They have a heart? Show it to me. I don't believe it.

Remembering Jobs is one thing: he personified Apple.

Mandela spent 27 years in prison for his cause.

No comparison, hipsters. Now Mandela becomes a t-shirt image, like Einstein or Che Guevara.

I was living in St Thomas VI when Mandela was released. The whole island was insanely jubilant. It was a big deal. Flags stating "Mandela Freed" flew everywhere and the sound of car horns was deafening.

Apartheid was falling. He meant something real to the oppressed and underprivileged.

Tossing his image onto a marketing webpage trivializes his noble accomplishments and reduces him to a meme.

He's not a 64GB iPad - he was a great human being.

I think it's inappropriate for Apple to casually use Mandela's image. His past and his ex-wife's past are enough to taint use of his visage for any promotional or political purpose. What's next, heroic poses of Mao on the home page to pander to China?

In addition, once violence is accepted as a solution, then any kind of violent opposition for any perceived oppression is justifiable. Racists would feel justified, spouse abusers would feel justified, etc.

Divisive political figures should be off the table for Apple.
Edited by SpamSandwich - 12/7/13 at 8:55am

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I can think of numerous situations where killers are not murderers.

Murder is a specific legal term.  Here in the U.S. it typically means UNLAWFUL killing (as opposed to something like self-defense or war) with malice aforethought.  That's part of what distinguished murder from manslaughter, for example.  Then there are things like vehicular manslaughter, negligent homicide, and the like.

On top of that, you have plenty of situations where killing isn't murder because it isn't unlawful.  Self-defense and wartime being prime examples.  The NAZI soldiers who killed combatants in the line of combat were not murderers.  The NAZIs who took part in mass murder of civilians at places like Auschwitz, on the other hand, had committed murder.

So, killing != murder.

Now we can argue all day about the actions Mandela took, the situation in which those actions were taken, and the legal and moral implications of a someone fighting for freedom against an oppressive regime, and what is and what is not acceptable behavior.

However, what we CAN'T argue about is the fact that Mandela played a large role in freeing a huge number of people from a painful, dehumanizing, and brutal regime.  We CAN'T argue that for many, as evidenced by the last few days, he has served as an inspiration.

Google "Winnie Mandela necklace" (caution, brutal horrific imagery)

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You seem to have some underlying issues of those who choose to take a stand against oppression which is sad!

As I recall, Martin Luther King took a stand that did not involve murdering others.

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I think it's inappropriate for Apple to casually use Mandela's image.

Then it's a good thing they are not casually using it.
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Both are true. Mandela was a violent revolutionary and a Communist. Bin Laden was trained by the CIA to repel the Russians.

The upshot from the US viewpoint should be that whenever we allow our military and politicians to interfere and involve us in the affairs of other nations, no good ever comes of it.

 

Nope.

 

The USA, The Vatican, The West, all started over various despicable act of violence.

Violence with an objective end, to end violence, depending on the case.

 

Bin Laden violence is to achieve what?

Comparing bin Laden to Mandela, then the West violent past ( including the various holocaust it caused in the southern hemisphere ) should be put in the same level as Bin Laden’s.

 

Bloody nonsense it is the same.

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I think it's inappropriate for Apple to casually use Mandela's image.

Then it's a good thing they are not casually using it.

Should not be used at all.

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Going through this thread is depressing. Reminds me of how many people refuse to acknowledge greatness. There's a reason Mandela is a hugely inspiration figure for the entire world, why there's been such an outpouring of grief over his death. He was instrumental in getting rid of apartheid in Africa, which involved extreme repression. The man wasn't perfect- he never claimed to be- and yes, violence was used when it was deemed effective. There's a reason that even his former enemies loved him in the end. But I wonder, if violence isn't justified for such a case- when others are stepping on your throats and stripping you of your rights, then when the **** is it? Whats interesting to me is that the same people here calling him a murderer are the same people who justify the invasion of other countries by the US, using specious and ridiculous argumentation.

 

The least you can do, when someone who has accomplished so much good in his life dies, and who millions of people admire and take inspiration from, is to shut the **** up and have the decency to not expose your ugly and twisted views to all.

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As I recall, Martin Luther King took a stand that did not involve murdering others.
Let me ask! Have you ever been oppressed because of the color of your skin? Also, how many of those which walked with Dr. King suffer atrocities? Do you know? Sometimes you must relinquish your civilities to be understood that you would prefer to be treated as equal as those before you.
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Should not be used at all.

 

"Should not be used at all" because you hold an extreme, minority view towards Mandela that is not shared by many, and who most people in real life would be repulsed to hear. Right. You've been hellbent in this thread as defining Mandela as nothing more than a murderer and a communist, that should speak volumes about how worthwhile your opinion is, and the fact that you have the gall like to dictate to Apple what they "should" do in this situation is hilarious. You clearly don't hold a shred of context, historical perspective, or objectivity in your unbalanced, petty, and childish views that serve only to pick and choose what you want to see in order to demonize someone great.  


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The least you can do, when someone who has accomplished so much good in his life dies, and who millions of people admire and take inspiration from, is to shut the **** up and have the decency to not expose your ugly and twisted views to all, like the useless keyboard warriors you are. 

I wouldn't put it as strongly as you, but I'm in your corner. So often we see little people aspiring to be great, believing that they will achieve greatness by making posts that tear down those who truly are great.

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Why did he kill?

Because he chose to do so.

 

NO, he had to.

He was obliged to, obliged by the West terrorists, those who protected the criminal and holocaust driven regime which was apartheid.

ANC was a party, a political party first, it had to pick up arms because its intellectuals were killed unarmed, tortured with Thatcher and Reagan back up.

 

Wow.

Did you learn history in a tea party basement?

 

Mandela was a communist, ignorants rant on this post.

Does he had any choice not to be?

Who backed Africans in their fight against colonial oppression?

 

-- European humanists, among them intellectuals ( most of them from the Left ), priests mostly, the then URSS wasn’t actually interested, they provides education and arms just to piss the West.

 

-- It was Cuba that sacrificed a great deal to help africans, south Africans in particular.


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NO, he had to.


NO, he did not HAVE to.
He chose to (for whatever reasons).
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ANC was a party, a political party first, it had to pick up arms
No, the ANC do NOT have to. It was their choice of how to handle the situation.
They were a political party first and a terrorist organization second.
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Mandela was a communist, ignorants rant on this post.
Does he had any choice not to be?
Of course he had a choice not to be.
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Going through this thread is depressing. Reminds me of how many people refuse to acknowledge greatness, because of their extreme ignorance, hatred, bigotry, racism, or dark and twisted soul. There's a reason Mandela is a hugely inspiration figure for the entire world, why there's been such an outpouring of grief over his death, and if you can't understand why that is, there's probably something wrong with YOU, and not the man himself or the people that admire and respect him. He was instrumental in getting rid of apartheid in Africa, which involved extreme repression. The man wasn't perfect- he never claimed to be- and yes, violence was used when it was deemed effective. There's a reason that even his former enemies loved him in the end. But I wonder, if violence isn't justified for such a case- when others are stepping on your throats and stripping you of your rights, then when the **** is it? Whats interesting to me is that the same people here calling him a murderer are the same people who justify the invasion of other countries by the US, using specious and ridiculous argumentation. Right wing loons, racists, and xenophobes (there's a few in this thread) love colonialism, repression of others, and despise anyone who truly tries to bring about equality to all.

The least you can do, when someone who has accomplished so much good in his life dies, and who millions of people admire and take inspiration from, is to shut the **** up and have the decency to not expose your ugly and twisted views to all, like the useless keyboard warriors you are. 

Do you realize this specious argument could be used to promote an armed and violent uprising against the US government? Violence in the pursuit of "correcting an injustice" depends on one's perception of what is right and wrong, doesn't it?

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NO, he had to.


NO, he did not HAVE to.
He chose to (for whatever reasons).
No, the ANC do NOT have to. It was their choice of how to handle the situation.
They were a political party first and a terrorist organization second.
Of course he had a choice not to be.

 

Yeah, he should have sided with the West, watching his people and land get raped. It is BEST to side yourself with the powerful guys and gals.

That is What cowards DO!

 

And please DO not compare Gandhi’s style with that of Mandela’s.

Indians were used by the Great Britain imperialists as a front end of the Empire in Africa, Africans did not have the same luck.

 

Did the Apartheid regime have a choice NOT to butcher Africans, ANC activists and its sympathizers?

Mandela actions were forced by cowardice, cowardice that Thatcher and Reagan backed, with their big money and big guns.

 

Now WHY the regime was so inhuman?

Because of the same logic you deployed  here.


Edited by Ochyming - 12/7/13 at 10:56am
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Looks like we went there anyways :(

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Let me ask! Have you ever been oppressed because of the color of your skin? Also, how many of those which walked with Dr. King suffer atrocities? Do you know? Sometimes you must relinquish your civilities to be understood that you would prefer to be treated as equal as those before you.

"Necklacing" in South Africa was black on black violence.

Also, are you familiar with conflicts between the Hutus and Tutsis? How about between Israelis and Palestinians? How about Georgians and Russians, or North and Sourh Koreans? Who is "right"? Who is "just"?

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Do you realize this specious argument could be used to promote an armed and violent uprising against the US government? Violence in the pursuit of "correcting an injustice" depends on one's perception of what is right and wrong, doesn't it?

 

1. His argument wasn't specious.

 

2. Yes, it could be used to justify an uprising in the US.  And let me say this: As broken as our system is -- I think a good analogy is it's like a notebook dropped from a second floor balcony; it will turn on, but that's it; it's ceased to actually work as a computer -- as broken as it is, I don't support the idea of revolution.  First, it would stand absolutely 0% of working, given the size and breadth of the US military.  Second, I'm still hopeful (naively so, probably) that a non-violent solution can be found.  It won't be found in my lifetime, but it's possible.  But I understand the feelings of those who do indeed deem it a necessary step.

 

3. This country was born in revolution.  Was Sam Adams a terrorist?

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1. His argument wasn't specious.

2. Yes, it could be used to justify an uprising in the US.  And let me say this: As broken as our system is -- I think a good analogy is it's like a notebook dropped from a second floor balcony; it will turn on, but that's it; it's ceased to actually work as a computer -- as broken as it is, I don't support the idea of revolution.  First, it would stand absolutely 0% of working, given the size and breadth of the US military.  Second, I'm still hopeful (naively so, probably) that a non-violent solution can be found.  It won't be found in my lifetime, but it's possible.  But I understand the feelings of those who do indeed deem it a necessary step.

3. This country was born in revolution.  Was Sam Adams a terrorist?

To answer #3 now, yes he was...to the British.

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If you actually understood communism

Man, I am from Czechoslovakia, we were under Soviet occupation since 1968 to 1989. I understand communism in practice better than any American hippie wannabe progressive democratic socialist.

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Man, I am from Czechoslovakia, we were under Soviet occupation since 1968 to 1989. I understand communism in practice better than any American hippie wannabe progressive democratic socialist.

 

Actually, what the Soviets practiced had as much in common with communism as I have in common with Kanye West.

 

Just so there's no confusion, that is not a lot.

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Looks like we went there anyways 1frown.gif

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I am appalled by the ignorance and the snottiness in this thread... And this is my first post here... I am already wondering why I even joined this forum...

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I am appalled by the ignorance and the snottiness in this thread... And this is my first post here... I am already wondering why I even joined this forum...

 

First, let me say welcome, as bittersweet as it may be in this case.

 

Second, let me assure you that you are hardly the only appalled.  Really, I would suggest avoiding the political threads.  On any forum, no matter the subject (tech, comics, games, even fashion) you will always find some people who are just wired to think like Dick Cheney.  There's no way away around it.

 

Third, I hope this thread won't run you off completely.  This is generally a pretty great place, I've learned a ton here, and, at least the in the tech threads the only "snottiness" is usually reserved for drive by trolls. :)

 

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Let me ask! Have you ever been oppressed because of the color of your skin?

 

Define "oppressed". Depending on your answer, it could be "maybe".

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If you actually understood communism

Man, I am from Czechoslovakia, we were under Soviet occupation since 1968 to 1989. I understand communism in practice better than any American hippie wannabe progressive democratic socialist.

 

Change "hippie wannabe progressive democratic socialist" to 'self-absorbed hipster'.

 

It must be the superior American education system that's breeding the pseudo-intellectuals posting here. Goes along with the 'greatest country in the world' meme.

 

Comparing Reagan to Nelson Mandela when you weren't even alive then? Really?

 

Here's a news flash: the majority of the world alive back then considered the Reagans and Thatcher to be a joke.

 

We remember when Nancy Reagan switched to prancing around in a DEA jacket raiding crack houses, because the media made fun of her feeding homeless people while wearing Halston couture in soup-kitchen photo-ops broadcast on the nightly news.

 

We also remember Ronald and Nancy calling drug users 'murderers' while right-wing death squads trained by his proxies in the US military were murdering nuns in Central America.

 

"Just say no!" "Take a bite out of crime" - some of the greatest hypocrisy ever spouted in the name of democracy.

 

Remember Iran-Contra, anyone? Thought not. There's no high moral ground there. Stop pretending there was.

 

Guess who was cutting his teeth in the terror business against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration? Osama bin Laden. Guess who funded his training? The CIA!

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Change "hippie wannabe progressive democratic socialist" to 'self-absorbed hipster'.

 

It must be the superior American education system that's breeding the pseudo-intellectuals posting here. Goes along with the 'greatest country in the world' meme.

 

Comparing Reagan to Nelson Mandela when you weren't even alive then? Really?

 

Here's a news flash: the majority of the world alive back then considered the Reagans and Thatcher to be a joke.

 

We remember when Nancy Reagan switched to prancing around in a DEA jacket raiding crack houses, because the media made fun of her feeding homeless people while wearing Halston couture in soup-kitchen photo-ops broadcast on the nightly news.

 

We also remember Ronald and Nancy calling drug users 'murderers' while right-wing death squads trained by his proxies in the US military were murdering nuns in Central America.

 

"Just say no!" "Take a bite out of crime" - some of the greatest hypocrisy ever spouted in the name of democracy.

 

Remember Iran-Contra, anyone? Thought not. There's no high moral ground there. Stop pretending there was.

 

Guess who was cutting his teeth in the terror business against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan during the Reagan administration? Osama bin Laden. Guess who funded his training? The CIA!

 

Some of y'all need to get out of the cube farm / mom's basement / country more often.

 

Feed trolls, get troll poo - the primary ingredient of a 'spam sandwich' . . .

 

I'd be among the first to call out Reagan on the "war on drugs" police and military buildup that flourished under his administration, and he was certainly no promoter of free-market capitalism even though he somehow got that reputation.

 

The fact is, the same lousy policies that existed under Reagan continued under Bush and Clinton, then Bush and Obama. Washington is a cesspool in which all sensibility and adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights has long since sunk.

 

My biggest laughs come from partisans who still believe there is a vast difference between Republicans and Democrats. They are largely the same.

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"Should not be used at all" because you hold an extreme, minority view towards Mandela that is not shared by many, and who most people in real life would be repulsed to hear. Right. You've been hellbent in this thread as defining Mandela as nothing more than a murderer and a communist, that should speak volumes about how worthwhile your opinion is, and the fact that you have the gall like to dictate to Apple what they "should" do in this situation is hilarious. You clearly don't hold a shred of context, historical perspective, or objectivity in your unbalanced, petty, and childish views that serve only to pick and choose what you want to see in order to demonize someone great.  

 

So, if you're saying "most people" are unaware or blissfully ignorant of his past, I would agree with that.

 

If you're (not so subtly) calling me a racist, I wholeheartedly reject that nonsense. The favoritism or oppression of anyone based on their skin color is disgusting and demeaning. People are individuals, not colors.

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First, let me say welcome, as bittersweet as it may be in this case.

 

Second, let me assure you that you are hardly the only appalled.  Really, I would suggest avoiding the political threads.  On any forum, no matter the subject (tech, comics, games, even fashion) you will always find some people who are just wired to think like Dick Cheney.  There's no way away around it.

 

Third, I hope this thread won't run you off completely.  This is generally a pretty great place, I've learned a ton here, and, at least the in the tech threads the only "snottiness" is usually reserved for drive by trolls. :)

 

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First, Thank you for the welcome mate...

 

Second, I am sure I will find many like minded people here... There are always a few people on a tangent with you... But, as this is an open forum that is expected... You will always find people who are judgmental and weird in their thinking...

 

Third, No it won't run me off... I have been a member of many forums... I have been an avid reader here... But, I was a member of macrumors hence, I never became a member here... Recently that place has been infested by a great number of trolls.... And many a heated argument got me suspensions and finally I got pissed at a moderator and gave him a piece of my mind and I got banned... :p :p Hence I am here... I have been wanting to be a member here since a while... But, I am the loyal types so didm't wanna become a member... now there's no such hangups with macrumors... heheh...

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I'd be among the first to call out Reagan on the "war on drugs" police and military buildup that flourished under his administration, and he was certainly no promoter of free-market capitalism even though he somehow got that reputation.

 

The fact is, the same lousy policies that existed under Reagan continued under Bush and Clinton, then Bush and Obama. Washington is a cesspool in which all sensibility and adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights has long since sunk.

 

My biggest laughs come from partisans who still believe there is a vast difference between Republicans and Democrats. They are largely the same.

 

Well I'm shocked! I agree with everything in your response to my post. Especially regarding the lack of difference between the US right and left wing. Its all a matter of degrees. Gentlemen can agree to disagree about the rest, I suppose.

 

That being said, Mandela was a hero to most of the world. Those who denigrate his legacy and those who attempt to profit from 'marketing' his image are equally deserving of derision. He was not a saint and he was not perfect. South Africa has some of the highest per-capita incidences of AIDS and sexual assault in the world. This has risen to current levels during the ANC's watch. I'm not seeing particularly effective or compassionate government there. Welcome to the human condition.

 

Still, I'd be much more impressed if Apple decided to donate one day's gross income to some valid cause in South Africa that Mandela supported, without writing it off as a tax deduction or notifying the world in a press release.

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Seems like a lot of sensitive people. Who, if you question the character of someone they admire, will act offended that you have a different opinion. My 2 cents, not everyone agrees with the methods he used to fight back. No one here denied he and his whole country suffered. Not everyone is saying he was a murderer. They're saying that when he authorized the bombing of innocent civilians at malls and movie theatres, that keeps him from being in the same category as Martin Luther king jr or mother Teresa. Was he justifies to act the way he did? Possibly. But not everyone has to share the belief that he's a good example.
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Well I'm shocked! I agree with everything in your response to my post. Especially regarding the lack of difference between the US right and left wing. Its all a matter of degrees. Gentlemen can agree to disagree about the rest, I suppose.

 

That being said, Mandela was a hero to most of the world. Those who denigrate his legacy and those who attempt to profit from 'marketing' his image are equally deserving of derision. He was not a saint and he was not perfect. South Africa has some of the highest per-capita incidences of AIDS and sexual assault in the world. This has risen to current levels during the ANC's watch. I'm not seeing particularly effective or compassionate government there. Welcome to the human condition.

 

 

I mostly agree with what you've said also.

 

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Still, I'd be much more impressed if Apple decided to donate one day's gross income to some valid cause in South Africa that Mandela supported, without writing it off as a tax deduction or notifying the world in a press release.

 

I guess donations are nice, but they cannot but treat root problems. I've never seen a problem completely solved (other than the "problem" of not having any money!) by throwing money at it. Just ask Bill Gates how difficult it has been for him and his foundation trying to find ways to spend money effectively. You feel good for a day, then the problems remain.

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First, Thank you for the welcome mate...

 

Second, I am sure I will find many like minded people here... There are always a few people on a tangent with you... But, as this is an open forum that is expected... You will always find people who are judgmental and weird in their thinking...

 

Third, No it won't run me off... I have been a member of many forums... I have been an avid reader here... But, I was a member of macrumors hence, I never became a member here... Recently that place has been infested by a great number of trolls.... And many a heated argument got me suspensions and finally I got pissed at a moderator and gave him a piece of my mind and I got banned... :p :p Hence I am here... I have been wanting to be a member here since a while... But, I am the loyal types so didm't wanna become a member... now there's no such hangups with macrumors... heheh...

 

Heh.  What happened to you at MacRumours has, unfortunately, happened to me -- at more than one internet forum.  I definitely know how you feel. :)

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view towards Mandela that is not shared by many

 

The majority is always right, after all.

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Heh.  What happened to you at MacRumours has, unfortunately, happened to me -- at more than one internet forum.  I definitely know how you feel. :)

 

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That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Then again, Apple's also come a long way since 2008. It's great to be king, or at least have your founder's business model finally affirmed...

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AI Forums: the island of misfit toys? ;)

 

I have to say that the discourse has improved on AI dramatically since I joined in 2008. It used to be that any criticizer of Apple in any way, shape or form was hounded out of the forums.

 

That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Then again, Apple's also come a long way since 2008. It's great to be king, or at least have your founder's business model finally affirmed...

 

Well, maybe you're right about the misfit toys. :)  Although, both of the places from which I was banned were comic book forums and -- understand that I say this a comic book nerd myself -- there are few groups of people in the world who are more rabid, often concerning the most minute issue or disagreement, than comic book fans.  I could lead you to 20+ page threads that occurred when they gave Wonder Woman pants, for instance. :)  Though I will admit as a Wondy fan myself that we Wondy fans and Legion of Super-Heroes fans are quite possibly the worst of the bunch.  Heh.

 

I do think that the discourse here is USUALLY civil and respectful.  As I said to j4zb4 above, most of the harsh replies seem to be to drive by trolling by people who just joined to snipe about how "disgraceful" Apple is, and how Samsung is so much better.  Some day someone will have to direct me to a psychology paper on what drives someone to spend all day doing nothing but being negative, and creating identity after identity to do it.  I just honestly don't get it. :)

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This thread might need a little humour, so I take a shot:
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Nancy Reagan switched to prancing around in a DEA jacket raiding crack houses, because the media made fun of her feeding homeless people while wearing Halston couture

"They were homeless, not tasteless"
"See her this weekend. You hit it off, come Turkey Day, maybe you can stuff her."
- Roger Sterling
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"See her this weekend. You hit it off, come Turkey Day, maybe you can stuff her."
- Roger Sterling
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post #77 of 144
Does apple know the difference between a kissass
and a brownnose.....it's depth perception.....
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Now that people on this thread have pointed out the violence he was involved in, I don't think it's appropriate for Apple to have him on their webpage.

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Google "Winnie Mandela necklace" (caution, brutal horrific imagery)

Winnie Mandela was not Nelson Mandela.
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Winnie Mandela was not Nelson Mandela.

 

They were married. Do you really think Winnie was doing something Nelson was not aware of? Especially since she was giving speeches on how to perform a "necklacing"?

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

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Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

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