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post #41 of 66
I might be in the minority, but I will be genuinely interested to see what he does for his follow-up act.

Remember, Jobs saw something in him as well as Cook and Ive.

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post #42 of 66
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"...exactly what philanthropic activities he participated in is not clear, as the report falls short of providing specifics..."

 

Translation: He can't find a job and no one wants him. 

Translation: You don't know the specifics of the situation.

 

He was under contract to Apple until some time this year and couldn't really go work anywhere. Surprising to even hear that he was allowed to be a consultant for small companies.

post #43 of 66
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The good old times when a button still looked like a button. He will be missed.

Agreed!

I will miss buttons that look like buttons.

That's one kind of "skeuomorphism" that is fine.
post #44 of 66
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Go easy on him. In a parallel universe, where Apple Maps turned out amazing (it's getting there), he's being hailed as the new hero at Apple.

But skeuomorphism (sp?), that's a tough one.....

I personally like mist if the features in iOS 7 by have to admit I preferred the old skeuomorphic design of apps in iOS 6, particularly in the iWork suite. Jonny designs great hardware but I think can take his minimalist design philosophy a little too far with software. That said, I still think iOS is a far greater experience than android including KitKat
post #45 of 66
Why do people talk as if Jony Ive alone was responsible for iOS 7? As far as we know most of the software people who worked under Forstall are still there. I doubt a gun was put to their heads as they were working on iOS 7.
post #46 of 66
Reading comments from folks who couldn't even get a job in Apple Engineering demeaning this guys credentials is what makes AI truly a place of humor.
post #47 of 66
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Wow I didn't know this was so personal on here folks. I'm just stating the obvious.

I'm just stating the obvious, sounds to me, it is fact, Hmm, but I thought it was your opinion.

 

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That's exactly all it was: an opinion. I never said it was fact. People need to stop taking themselves so serious on here and chill out.

Anyway, it seems to me Apple combines the best of the best who function, as a whole, at the top their game - kind of like a think tank that actually produces something. So there, that was another opinion.

 

It did not read like that to many of us.

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Let's see how successful he'll be without Apple. 

Look at his previous role, very successful, so why would he not be successful, please explain. Many Exec get 'fired' and they are still very successful in future, e.g. Steve Jobs!

 

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"...exactly what philanthropic activities he participated in is not clear, as the report falls short of providing specifics..."

 

Translation: He can't find a job and no one wants him. 


These are comments and other people have just corrected your opinions. Maybe you should look at yourself and say "I have given opinions, which lack substance and been corrected by my peers and not to take those comments personal'

 

Just a Thought.

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Waits for the idiot(s) to say I hope he comes back to save iOS 7....

 

 

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Waits for the idiot(s) to say I hope he comes back to save iOS 7....

hahaha.  You should go on the macrumors thread.  It's loaded with them.

 

The reason I quit macrumors... :p

 

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I sure do expect to see him somewhere at the top very soon... He stagnated and got arrogant, but is a brilliant mind...!

post #49 of 66
Not a fan of his work. Leather and felt. Enough said.
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post #50 of 66
Its like a post Stalin purge in here. We HATE Scott Forstall and his iOS 6 skeuomorphism and whats more we ALWAYS hated iOS prior to 7.
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post #51 of 66
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That's exactly all it was: an opinion. I never said it was fact. People need to stop taking themselves so serious on here and chill out.

Anyway, it seems to me Apple combines the best of the best who function, as a whole, at the top their game - kind of like a think tank that actually produces something. So there, that was another opinion.

If you had used "it seems to me" in your previously certain statements that "nobody wants Scott Forstall" it might have come across as an opinion. although it still wouldn't have been true.

 

I bet he is turning down CEO offers every week.

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post #52 of 66
Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Yah. Because Jony Ive is a design genius who can design anything and do no wrong.

 

Enjoy your black and white world. That’s not at all what he said or implied; don’t pretend it is.

 

Originally Posted by dacloo View Post
The good old times when a button still looked like a button.

 

So before iOS entirely, then, since that was never the case here.

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post #53 of 66
I didn't know we couldn't have fun on this site. Who cares if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by kkerst View Post
I didn't know we couldn't have fun on this site.

 

Nice try.

 
Who cares if I'm wrong. 


Then don’t present your point as though it’s a supposition of fact. What’s the point of having a conversation if you don’t care about the truth?

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post #55 of 66
Congrats, you've pushed me off the site. I don't come here for personal attacks, even if it's based on opinion or false information. Unless you worked with Forstall personally, none of you have any real idea what you're talking about.

Let's say you did work with him. That would probably make you very high up at Apple. I don't think you'd spend your days posting here if you did. Obviously, I didn't (work with him) so it 's just goofy stupid.
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Originally Posted by kkerst View Post
Even if you did work with him personally, you wouldn't post it on here. Get it?

 

Really? mdriftmeyer would like a word.

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post #57 of 66
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Congrats, you've pushed me off the site. I don't come here for personal attacks, even if it's based on opinion or false information.

If you're that easily dissuaded then you made the right choice. Because the Internet is a big and nasty place. Not everyone will agree with you and validate your opinion.

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post #58 of 66

Oh I kid I kid. I'll still come to this site. Might not post anymore though. 

post #59 of 66
Apple's success in recent years is due to the iPhone. The iPhone is what it is due to iOS (IMHO from iPhone OS until iOS 6) and iOS was created by Scott Forstall. Therefore, i believe I'm not wrong when I say, Apple's success is mostly due to Forstall (and of course Jobs). Firing him was the worse possible decision that Apple could have made. Much worse than the much advertised (and mostly invented) maps fiasco will be the iOS 7 fiasco.
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post #60 of 66
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Apple's success in recent years is due to the iPhone. The iPhone is what it is due to iOS (IMHO from iPhone OS until iOS 6) and iOS was created by Scott Forstall. Therefore, i believe I'm not wrong when I say, Apple's success is mostly due to Forstall (and of course Jobs). Firing him was the worse possible decision that Apple could have made. Much worse than the much advertised (and mostly invented) maps fiasco will be the iOS 7 fiasco.

 

Only time will tell.

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post #61 of 66
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Firing him was the worse possible decision that Apple could have made.

It depends on how disruptive he was. There were reports about Tony Fadell, Bob Mansfield, Jonathan Ive, Jon Rubinstein all having issues with him. If it was between Jony and Forstall, Jony would be the obvious choice to stay. None of those people need to be at the company as they are all multi-millionaires. Tim's move to make the teams more collaborative was a good one.

It's not as if Jony is the one replacing Forstall. Craig Federighi goes all the way back to NeXT too and seems like a nice guy to work with. Jony said he and Craig sit minutes away from each other. I don't know how many hours he sat away from Forstall but I reckon a bus journey was involved. That's not a good setup for the development of products that have to work well as a whole.

It's true Forstall led a small team to produce iOS but the rest of the team might still be at Apple. It's also important to consider what he would do next. He was working on Maps and possibly Siri before he left. If he had been critical to the success of Apple's future roadmap, they probably wouldn't have asked him to leave.

People have this idea that Apple still has to do another iPhone-scale project and whatever that is might require someone like Forstall. There just isn't another project like that to do in the near future and if one crops up eventually, they have Craig Federighi and hundreds of other engineers.

All that matters as far as fans on the outside are concerned is that Apple keeps going. That company represents something that is so rarely represented in their field. If someone disruptive has the ability to push out a lot of people who are critical to Apple's success then those individuals have to go. It was their decision as individuals to not be co-operative that led to the decision.

The one thing I miss with him gone is seeing younger presenters at the keynotes. I think Federighi is around the same age but Forstall looks younger. IMO, it makes the company look more vulnerable having a lot of over 50s presenting so much because they don't exude the same excitement and energy and we don't get any familiarity with the next generation. They also don't all have a younger sense of humor. It's done professionally but the keynotes could be shorter and just not mention things that have been spoken about so many times before like store openings, how many billions of iMessages are sent - stats that don't really matter any more. Then add in more entertaining demos. The anki drive was an example but it wasn't all that great. If they don't have much new to show, have guests that do.

Whatever Scott chooses to do outside the company may or may not be something successful. Fadell who did the iPod now has his Nest project and while it's a cool enough project, it's not really on the same level as the projects at Apple:

http://gigaom.com/2013/01/29/exclusive-nest-has-raised-another-80m-now-shipping-40k-thermostats-a-month/

It doesn't have to be either. The important thing from their perspective, even if it's not apparent to them, is that they love what they're doing. There's no sense dedicating years of your life to work that you hate to do unless you have no choice financially and these people all have the choice to do what makes them happiest.
post #62 of 66
No, Tim Cook is right. We're a hero-obsessed culture. The myth of the lone genius. Those who say Steve Jobs just took credit for others people's accomplishments need to have a conversation with those who proclaim Apple is doomed without Steve. He was either riding Woz's coattails (what the Slashdotters believe), or the lynchpin that make Apple work (the mainstream press).

The truth has to be between those two extremes. One thing the press and media people do is create heroes and myths. And I think some of us do that too, which is why we kept hearing "who will replace Steve Jobs?" after he died.

I think half of you people here are doing the exact same thing to Scott Forstall. You're trying to "hero-ize" him. Turn him into this manufactured myth...the next Steve Jobs. Well, no. If you're Tim Cook, you can't run a company that way. Apple has to be the entity that moves forward, not "the next Steve Jobs," or the next hero.

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post #63 of 66
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Reading comments from folks who couldn't even get a job in Apple Engineering demeaning this guys credentials is what makes AI truly a place of humor.

I'll bite: What folks?
post #64 of 66
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We're a hero-obsessed culture. The myth of the lone genius. Those who say Steve Jobs just took credit for others people's accomplishments need to have a conversation with those who proclaim Apple is doomed without Steve. He was either riding Woz's coattails (what the Slashdotters believe), or the lynchpin that make Apple work (the mainstream press).

The truth has to be between those two extremes. One thing the press and media people do is create heroes and myths.

Well put and people like to have villains too. As soon as Scott's leaving was announced, the agenda was to simplify everything wrong and tie it to his character - skeuomorphic UIs and faulty maps and how Jony Ive was the hero character to counter him.

It won't stop happening because there's some natural reaction that takes over when we hear drama vs news. Part of what drives it is our inability and lack of desire to access all of the information relating to any particular scenario so the highlights get taken and the gaps are filled in to prop up the story.
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Well put and people like to have villains too. As soon as Scott's leaving was announced, the agenda was to simplify everything wrong and tie it to his character - skeuomorphic UIs and faulty maps and how Jony Ive was the hero character to counter him.

It won't stop happening because there's some natural reaction that takes over when we hear drama vs news. Part of what drives it is our inability and lack of desire to access all of the information relating to any particular scenario so the highlights get taken and the gaps are filled in to prop up the story.

Heretic!

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post #66 of 66
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Reading comments from folks who couldn't even get a job in Apple Engineering demeaning this guys credentials is what makes AI truly a place of humor.

I didn't realize this board was for engineers only. Sorry.
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