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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post
With Siri's scores in high 70s, 80s and 90's how does that average to a C ?

 

They hire the same mathematicians as JD Power.

 

Who need sued, by the way.

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Last I checked A grades were 91-100, B grades were 81-90, and C grades 71-80.

It depends on what you're grading and where the base line is set. If you will, seven to ten errors in understanding may be where Piper Jaffray set their base line for acceptable. If a hospital neonatal unit were setting a base line for how many babies got dropped on their heads they may set it at 0.000001% of the time.

By setting the baseline where they have, Piper Jaffray leaves a lot of room for improvement in conversational English... not just understanding words, but the intent of the words as well.
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Google Now works on any Android phone, 4.1+. Since technically there's an iOS version of it, and no Siri for Android, there's clearly more Google Now capable devices in the big picture. As for platform vs platform at this juncture it's probably a slight lead for Siri depending on how you want to size the global market which is obviously a heated topic by itself. iPhone 4 which is still pretty common doesn't have Siri, and ~56% of Android devices are 4.1+

 

That ~56% statistic is only for devices that have access to the Google Play Store. It's not of ALL Android based devices. A majority of Android devices sold today are "feature" phones that still run version 2.x.

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. A majority of Android devices sold today are "feature" phones that still run version 2.x.

Yet again, as been the case for the last 2 years of this regurgitation...source? Everyone loves to say it, but where are they?

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Yet again, as been the case for the last 2 years of this regurgitation...source? Everyone loves to say it, but where are they?

"This data reflects devices running the latest Google Play Store app, which is compatible with Android 2.2 and higher. Each snapshot of data represents all the devices that visited the Google Play Store in the prior 7 days"

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Yes Soph, I know. I want the source for where the majority of Android phones are feature phones running 2.2. Sounds like the ghost of jragosta to me.
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Yes Soph, I know. I want the source for where the majority of Android phones are feature phones running 2.2. Sounds like the ghost of jragosta to me.

I've said the same thing. Not as a fact, but as how I see it. Running Android on a phone does not automatically make it a smartphone. I'd say that a good divide is how David Pogue coined it years ago by calling modern smartphones "app phones"; which makes it very easy in the case of Android since they only count the devices that are connecting to Google Play.

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Last I checked A grades were 91-100, B grades were 81-90, and C grades 71-80.

When I read music as an undergraduate, A was 70%+, B 60-69%, C 50-59% and under 50% fail. That's in England in 1995. Most people got under 70%.
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post
When I read music as an undergraduate, A was 70%+, B 60-69%, C 50-59% and under 50% fail. That's in England in 1995.

 

No wonder modern music is absolute trash.

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Both perform terribly in foreign languages. In French or Italian, Siri doesn't do half of the cool stuff it does in English. No wolfram alpha, no movie showtimes and a voice recognition that's not very good compared to english. I'd use it in English, but I often need to tell something in french (the name of a restaurant or just the name of a person).

Not every feature of iOS is available in every country. Here's a list:
http://www.apple.com/ios/feature-availability/

One thing I'd like for Siri is that ability to teach it how to pronounce foreign names. I've got a friend with a name that's written in a complex way. Every time I try to teach Siri, she doesn't understand, probably because the sound she hears is so different from the way it's written.[/quote]

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One thing I'd like for Siri is that ability to teach it how to pronounce foreign names. I've got a friend with a name that's written in a complex way. Every time I try to teach Siri, she doesn't understand, probably because the sound she hears is so different from the way it's written.

Is it a African name?
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That's what I was going to post. Google Now is the preemptive data service.

Exactly. Siri is nothing like google now.

 

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Google Now has come a long way since Andy Rubin said we shouldn't be talking to our phones.

Google Now is not Google voice search.

 

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One thing this test doesn't show is conversational commands, which is central to Siri's genius. On Siri you can ask "How is the weather today?" and it'll give you an answer, then you can follow-up that question with "How about tomorrow?".

I've just tested this with google voice search. It answered that follow up question.

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I'm not sure it works for French but for English it's a new feature since iOS 7b2.
 


Yes I know and it works well in french too. The problem I have is that some of my friend have a name with sounds that aren't used in french, and Siri gets confused when I want to pronounce those names.

For example my own name pronounced in french on an iOS in english would make Siri very confused.

It's not really a problem, but I have to create Surnames for my foreign friends so that I can pronounce something a little easier for Siri to understand without editing their real names.

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Yes I know and it works well in french too. The problem I have is that some of my friend have a name with sounds that aren't used in french, and Siri gets confused when I want to pronounce those names. For example my own name pronounced in french on an iOS in english would make Siri very confused. It's not really a problem, but I have to create Surnames for my foreign friends so that I can pronounce something a little easier for Siri to understand without editing their real names.

Ah. I had the same problem with my (non-Siri) voice control in my car when I switch the language to Spanish. It didn’t understand any of my contacts, even if they had a Spanish-ish name.

I also switched my iOS and Mac OS devices to Spanish and this worked out very well. On iOS you can change the language you see to Spanish and keep the Maps app spoken directions to Spanish but then still use an English auto-correction and Siri. I found this to be a very helpful.

I hope for all our sake Siri gets considerably more intelligent in the near future.

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..... a Spanish-ish name.

Huh?
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Huh?

For example, attempting to use my car's hands-free system to say "Llamar Hector Lopez" it would understand I meant to make a call but it wouldn't understand my English pronunciation of Hector Lopez. I'd have to try to say it in a very unnatural, non-gringo way, which is simply not practical when I'm also trying to drive.

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For example, attempting to use my car's hands-free system to say "Llamar Hector Lopez" it would understand I meant to make a call but it wouldn't understand my English pronunciation of Hector Lopez. I'd have to try to say it in a very unnatural, non-gringo way, which is simply not practical when I'm also trying to drive.

I'd like to know how a Greek name became used primarily by Hispanics. H at the beginning of Spanish words are silent, have you tried it that way?
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I just want Apple to get into robots in a huge way to take on Google and Rubin, so you would have a walking, talking representation of Siri as your office worker/assistant for real-world tasks (walk the dog, go to the post office, get groceries, mow the lawn, analyze my golf swing and show me some pointers, etc.)...

Good timing on the robotics comment. I hadn't really followed it all that much until earlier today when I saw mention of Google buying Boston Dynamics. Another story I came across mentioned 7 other very quiet Google acquisitions in the robotics field over the past year or two. Guess that explains Rubin's move out of the Android group to an area of expertise he's had a lifelong interest in.
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Good timing on the robotics comment. I hadn't really followed it all that much until earlier today when I saw mention of Google buying Boston Dynamics. Another story I came across mentioned 7 other very quiet Google acquisitions in the robotics field over the past year or two. Guess that explains Rubin's move out of the Android group to an area of expertise he's had a lifelong interest in.

It appears Brin and Page are taking the advice of Ray Kurzweil insofar as they are acquiring companies and investing in the fields of robotics, nanotechnology and artificial intelligence, all very important in Kurzweil's timeline toward the Singularity.

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It appears Brin and Page are taking the advice of Ray Kurzweil insofar as they are acquiring companies and investing in the fields of robotics, nanotechnology and artificial intelligence, all very important in Kurzweil's timeline toward the Singularity.

As is Apple. Both Google and Apple still have to move into the nanotech field aggressively, but they've both made progress in robotics and artificial intelligence. . . whether for good or bad.1hmm.gif
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As is Apple. Both Google and Apple still have to move into the nanotech field aggressively, but they've both made progress in robotics and artificial intelligence. . . whether for good or bad.1hmm.gif

I look forward to the potential of immortality in my lifetime. 1wink.gif

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I look forward to the potential of immortality in my lifetime. 1wink.gif

 

Why the wink? Those of us alive today who will see the late 2020s should probably hit 100 or so, which means that during the interim tech will continue to improve to keep extending it.

 

I still plan to die of old age, but there are plenty of things I want to do first. The Moon, Mars, and Ganymede are on that list.

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Why the wink? Those of us alive today who will see the late 2020s should probably hit 100 or so, which means that during the interim tech will continue to improve to keep extending it.

I still plan to die of old age, but there are plenty of things I want to do first. The Moon, Mars, and Ganymede are on that list.

It's been my dream for most of my life to live and eventually die (hopefully from old age) on another planet.

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It's been my dream for most of my life to live and eventually die (hopefully from old age) on another planet.

 

Oh, I’m dyin’ right here on ol’ mother Earth. I’m old fashioned like that. That’s not gonna stop me from visiting other places, though.

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Oh, I’m dyin’ right here on ol’ mother Earth. I’m old fashioned like that. That’s not gonna stop me from visiting other places, though.

That round trip to Ganymede could take four years! That's why I plan on my trip being one-way.

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That round trip to Ganymede could take four years! That's why I plan on my trip being one-way.

 

Yeah, with current rockets. They’ll get better. 

 

Moon in 24 hours right now. Why we haven’t been going back since the start of this century embarrasses me to no end.

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Yeah, with current rockets. They’ll get better. 

Moon in 24 hours right now. Why we haven’t been going back since the start of this century embarrasses me to no end.

And do what exactly? We've already been there, and will go back when it makes sense to do so until then it'll be a unnecessary expense and risk.
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And do what exactly? We've already been there, and will go back when it makes sense to do so until then it'll be a unnecessary expense and risk.

 

You’re completely insane. I’ll chalk this post up to your previously stated existence for the purpose of explicitly contradicting what users here say and not the genocidal content that is actually contained in it.

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You’re completely insane. I’ll chalk this post up to your previously stated existence for the purpose of explicitly contradicting what users here say and not the genocidal content that is actually contained in it.

You ever hear of dialogue? I posed a question to you. It wasn't a sarcastic one but one of genuine curiosity. I have an opinion and shared that but I'd like to hear yours. I didn't dismiss your idea I just said that I don't think that it'd be beneficial at this time.
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Yeah, with current rockets. They’ll get better. 

Moon in 24 hours right now. Why we haven’t been going back since the start of this century embarrasses me to no end.

I'm most excited with what Elon Musk and SpaceX are doing in terms of improvements on the engineering and R&D side. I believe private plans for moon and asteroid mining will have big long term payoffs.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
You ever hear of dialogue? I posed a question to you. It wasn't a sarcastic one but one of genuine curiosity. I have an opinion and shared that but I'd like to hear yours. I didn't dismiss your idea I just said that I don't think that it'd be beneficial at this time.


Your “opinion” is that humanity should die out and that there’s no reason to leave Earth at any time for any purpose. This isn’t acceptable, as under a minute of thinking about the topic would show. Consequently, you don’t really get to call it a dialogue. You’re doing exactly what you said you plan to do. Just go away.

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Your “opinion” is that humanity should die out and that there’s no reason to leave Earth at any time for any purpose. This isn’t acceptable, as under a minute of thinking about the topic would show. Consequently, you don’t really get to call it a dialogue. You’re doing exactly what you said you plan to do. Just go away.

Go back and read my post, at no point did I say for us never to go back. I'm sure space travel will be commonplace in the future, I just don't see the need to take expensive and risky trips to the moon right now. They’re doing just fine with the rovers for now.
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