Originally Posted by poksi
2. iPhone market share is rising on many markets. Also in Germany, for example, where Android share is traditionally extremely high. It is normal that Apple had seen a market share drop, since they started with 100%. There wasn't a finger touch screen smartphone before. However, it shows already that market share erosion has stopped and they are even bouncing back on mature markets. However, they always lead by far when comparing overall market share with premium market share.
Quick Germany Report:
The Reported Percentage Debate iOS (~17%) vs. Android (~70%) came up this weekend with friends after an outing to the Cologne Christmas Market. The entire city was packed!
Smartphone: 50-50 overall; 2:1 iPhone vs. Android with business people/adults 35-50/yo; flipped 1:2 with 16-24/yo.Not one Note seen, however many iPads in both sizes
Phones other than smartphones were still mostly older Nokia feature phones... which to be honest... were the variety most spotted among older demographics 45-65+
Discussion turned to: who's doing the numbers; how are those numbers being reported (sales or shipping); who's profiting from those numbers. Because I/we are calling "Bogus" on the reported statistics(!)
Originally Posted by pedromartins
I think that you should apply to a school if you can't read.
It is very fair to include the numbers of those s4 and s3 mini models, since Apple itself includes the numbers of iPhones that go as low as the 4. Just because the iPhone 4 (it is still being sold in China, right?) is so badly priced, it doesn't mean that those 2 Samsung models shouldn't be included.
And who the hell do you think you are to decide witch comparisons we should make? The facts are clear:
- Samsung alone sells the same number, close, if not more of high end smartphones than Apple.
- All of them have bigger screens;
- They make more money (or the same, at least for 1 or 2 more quarters) from phones than Apple, so their business is better/equal.
- All of those high end phones from other OEMs have a bigger screen.
- Bigger screens clearly outsell the iPhone.
There's a huge market for such devices and Apple has been stupid, very stupid, very incompetent when they chose to not address it.
And guess what, they are paying a huge price for it:
- 0 growth in net profit (Actually, a small decline).
- Samsung catch up in net profit.
1) IMHO = a so-called "high-end" smartphone can only carry that label if it can be updated, and IS updated, to the latest OS on either platform within 3 months of the OS update being released. (without rooting!). That means that Galaxy S2 and below get dropped from any list of "high-end".
2) IMHO = The Note series is NOT a smart phone and is in a class currently called "phablets". Apple doesn't make a "phablet" (yet?), however it does make a phone and a tablet. See my Eyeballing Percentage above: iPads spotted all over the place, no tablets of any other kind(!). These people also had phones of one kind or another (yes, we saw a couple of mixed platforms, specifically kids and Asian tourists).
The above leads me to some interesting questions concerning the Note, that I would also like to see statistics on:
1) how many computer devices does the person using a Note own (not share...own);
2) what other, if any, high tech devices have these people using the Note invested in, in the last 12, 24 and 36 months.
3) are they still using those purchases and how much.
I'm not going to speculate and/or pull numbers out of my poop-shute, however I would take that bet that says the Note series is the only modern and mobile tech device many of it's users own and use.... by a HUGE margin.
It may surprise some here that regardless of the Ultimate Fanboy I proclaim myself to be... if I was given the choice and had a very limited income to be able afford only ONE computing device... it very well would be a Note. The specs allow it to function as a stand-alone computer, no sync necessary other than with assorted cloud services.
Would I like it? Probably if it was all I could afford. Would I rather have an iPad, iPhone and MB for tasks that are better suited for each? Ab-So-Effin-Lutely!
My wish: if we're talking about "phablets", they should be in their own category and not twist the "smart phone" category. At such time that phablets are included in statistics, I think it's fair to also include iPads, even just the iPad Mini if it makes people feel better. Fact: you can do telephony on an iPad quite well; not as easy and painless as a phone, but it does work.
Summary goes like this: once you add any qualifiers to what a "smart phone" is, the demographics that use them, the OS they are on... and not to forget, the overall profitability of the platform itself (devs, content and ownership of more than one device)... then Apple is seriously "winning***".
*** I would also like to say that people the world over that don't have the disposable income of an Apple Fan, are also "winning"... if only because they are now able to participate in our digital age of communication.
I'm only saddened that there is only one device in the "middle market" worth considering... and deeper saddened that it is from a company that is corrupt to it's core and is a convicted thief.
Also, their customer service is nothing to be admired either... :Product warranty, Samsung style
Article's embedded YouTube video:samsung galaxy s4 catches on fire samsung wants silence
(Wondering how AI missed this tasty bit of news..?!)