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Promise Technology on Wednesday announced its new Pegasus2 RAID arrays are now shipping, bringing one of the first Thunderbolt 2-equipped storage solutions to market for high-powered computers like the upcoming Mac Pro.

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The new direct attached storage enclosures offer speeds up to 20Gbps thanks to the Thunderbolt 2 transfer standard, which is being included on Apple's latest Mac desktops and laptops. Promise first unveiled the Pegasus2 in October.

With the high-speed Thunderbolt 2, Promise says Pegasus2 can handle high-bandwidth 3D and 4K video files and other data-intensive applications like CAD engineering, CAE Auto Design and professional IT workgroups, among others.

In addition to 20Gbps speeds with current Macs, the Pegasus2 accelerates throughput when attached to the Mac Pro, which should be released before December is out.

Pegasus2 comes in 4-bay, 6-bay and 8-bay RAID enclosure configurations with maximum capacities of 8TB, 12TB, 18TB, 24TB and 32TB. Retail prices start at $1,499 and go to $4,599, but a couple of Apple Authorized Resellers listed in AppleInsider's Storage Price Guide are offering discounts on the new RAIDs, with the added benefit of B&H only charging sales tax on orders to NY and MacMall only on orders to CA, NY, IL, WI, MN, CO, TN, NC and GA:

  • Pegasus2 8TB R4 (4-bay) - $1,454 (B&H Photo -- Pre Order), $1,454 (MacMall -- In Stock)
  • Pegasus2 12TB R6 (6-bay) - $2,230 (B&H Photo -- Pre Order), $2,230 (MacMall -- In Stock)
  • Pegasus2 18TB R6 (6-bay) - $2,909 (B&H Photo -- Pre Order), $2,909 (MacMall -- In Stock)
  • Pegasus2 24TB R8 (8-bay) - $3,491 (B&H Photo -- Pre Order), $3,491 (MacMall -- In Stock)
  • Pegasus2 32TB R8 (8-bay) - $4,461 (B&H Photo -- Pre Order), $4,461 (MacMall -- In Stock)

Thunderbolt 2 doubles the throughput of its predecessor by using a new controller that combines the first-gen's two 10Gbps uni-directional channels into a single 20Gbps bi-directional channel. The new standard is backwards compatible and supports DisplayPort 1.2, enabling video streaming to one 4K monitor, or dual QHD displays.
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Make it red and cylindrical and I'll take it for $977,000

 

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Thunderbolt....dead end technology.
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Thunderbolt....dead end technology.

actually it's not dead end, you can keep daisy chaining equipment

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Thunderbolt....dead end technology.

I hope that's sarcasm.

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I hope that's sarcasm.

That's how I took it but you never know

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The Apple Store is listing these as well. The Pegasus2 R4 8TB is selling for $1499 but they also are selling a diskless version for $699, the idea being you take the 4 disks from your old Mac Pro and put them into this box. I emailed Promise to see if 2T disks are the max this unit can hold. I also asked which manufacturer disks they use. You can get decent 2T drives under $200 making the final price less than a fully loaded one from a Promise distributor.

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I emailed Promise to see if 2T disks are the max this unit can hold.

I would hope expect that's not the case with any new RAID, especially one using this tech. Even if this came out before 4TB were available I'd expect in this day and age for them to still support 4TB drives, and 6TB drives in a year or two when they are available.

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The new direct attached storage enclosures offer speeds up to 20Gbps thanks to the Thunderbolt 2 transfer standard, which is being included on Apple's latest Mac desktops and laptops. 

 

Not the 2013 iMac's, however, which was a weird choice all around. I guess Apple decided they only wanted Mac Pro/Macbook Pro Retina owners to have access to high end storage tech. Whatever. USB 3 is fast enough for my needs, and TB tech is still ridiculously overpriced so  I can't say it's a feature I'll miss in my new desktop.

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Not the 2013 iMac's, however, which was a weird choice all around. I guess Apple decided they only wanted Mac Pro/Macbook Pro Retina owners to have access to high end storage tech. Whatever. USB 3 is fast enough for my needs, and TB tech is still ridiculously overpriced so  I can't say it's a feature I'll miss in my new desktop.

Though I expect it to be backwards compatible and work with TB 1 speeds on Macs that do not have TB 2. Is this not the case?
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Not the 2013 iMac's, however, which was a weird choice all around. I guess Apple decided they only wanted Mac Pro/Macbook Pro Retina owners to have access to high end storage tech. Whatever. USB 3 is fast enough for my needs, and TB tech is still ridiculously overpriced so  I can't say it's a feature I'll miss in my new desktop.

What a minute. Weren't you bitching and whining that Apple hadn't yet released the MBPs back around the time the iMacs were released? And I seem to recall you were informed that's it's probably been held off due to TB2 chip availability which you retorted that it didn't matter about TB2 when the other vendors had already released their new laptops with the latest Intel CPUs. So now you're bitching and whining the other way? 1oyvey.gif

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post #12 of 25
Perfect companion for the Mac Pro.

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MacSales sells 4-bay USB3 RAID boxes empty for under $300. Promise sells their empty 4-bay TB2 RAID for $699. Has anyone actually tried a USB3 RAID? What happens when you use slower devices on this bus?

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Has anyone actually tried a USB3 RAID? What happens when you use slower devices on this bus?

The speed is as fast as its slowest component. Even with RAID 0 or 1+0 I think that even USB 2.0 is faster than any HDD-based RAID.


edit: This link indicates that I grossly underestimated the read and write performance of 7200RPM 3.5" HDDs.


Edited by SolipsismX - 12/11/13 at 6:46pm

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Imagine how much 4k porn you could transfer with that thing...
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I hope that's sarcasm.

Of course it is. Spec worshippers love tech with the most specs. Except when they think it's Apple tech. Then it's "dead end."

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Of course it is. Spec worshippers love tech with the most specs. Except when they think it's Apple tech. Then it's "dead end."

 

The problem is that Intel is finally embracing their own jointly developed standard and they seem to overlook that aspect.

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Imagine how much 4k porn you could transfer with that thing...

I know porn has been at the bleeding edge of most new tech since VHS and pay-per-spew, but some things (Jenna Jameson's well-worn 'I/O ports' spring to mind) should stay low-resolution.
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I would hope expect that's not the case with any new RAID, especially one using this tech. Even if this came out before 4TB were available I'd expect in this day and age for them to still support 4TB drives, and 6TB drives in a year or two when they are available.

 

I actually got a response from Promise:

 

P2R4HD0US is the part, and just search "Pegasus" at the Apple store. 
 
The diskless version of the Pegasus2 is sold for data migration purpose only and support is very limited.
There is a compatibility list for Pegasus:
We offer 2, 3 and 4TB spare drives. See price book, attached (rob53--didn't try attaching price list). We typically use Hitachi Deskstar.


thanks

 

Best Regards, Brian Reynolds Inside Sales 408-228-1400 www.promise.com
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Promise Technology's enclosures are obnoxiously loud and their embedded software has some serious bugs. I would definitely holdout for a different brand.
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Now, if only Apple would accelerate the release of a Mac Mini that connects to these guys (and fully supports TB2 speeds). Would make a heck of a video server. My old Mac Mini connected to FW800 raid still stutters all the time.
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The problem is that Intel is finally embracing their own jointly developed standard and they seem to overlook that aspect.

Intel also developed USB 1.0, and the first computer to ditch legacy ports and go all-USB was the original Bondi Blue iMac. Meanwhile, PCs are still available today with PS/2 and VGA connectors like it was 1988.

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Hey there's the new mac pro all you guys wanted, the only problem is you have to connect a thunderbolt cable and a little cylinder shaped soda can fan to it. :P
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Hey there's the new mac pro all you guys wanted, the only problem is you have to connect a thunderbolt cable and a little cylinder shaped soda can fan to it. :P

 

I don’t see how a RAID array is the Mac Pro that people wanted.

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You don't see that? I mean honestly it's not for 100% of the people who wanted a mac pro out out there but is anything truly 100% satisfying for everybody? but that aside

 

For the people that were complaining, over and over that they can't put 4 drives in the new mac pro, and because some wanted a mac pro mini or smaller tower mac pro, and on and on...I mean if you get 2 video cards in the new mac pro and a faster pci SSD and all you have to do is connect a small little turbine to one these. You are telling me if you have a Mac Pro tower you wouldn't connect anything to it? So, roles are reversed.

 

I mean if you had this and connected a MacMini to it, which the new ones will probably be coming out with TB2, and just put it right on top of this tower, is this so bad because it's not one piece? I see a little tower right in front of my eyes, I mean it looks like a tower. I don't think there are any other RAIDs that have thunderbolt besides the promise family, maybe there are but I don't really care cause Promise is a long standing "Apple approved, recommended company". So I mean let's just say in the future Apple releases a Mac Pro the size of a Rubik's Cube? or the MacMini that I am going to get for my Promise RAID, does Apple have to keep manufacturing big ass cases, to hold 4 drives? Because Apple used to make Xserve RAIDs, and then everybody said "ah man, they are getting rid of the Xserve RAID" then Promise made there's and everything was fine in this arena and all worked out. They let Promise worry about these big honky freaking lugs and now they are doing the same with the Mac Pro. They are going to let Promise handle making towers now, I mean for the people who wanted to put 4 drives in a mac pro so badly, there you go and like I said slap a MacMini "chip" on top pretty a much a Mac Pro to me, unless you want two video cards, then you get Darth.

 

You don't see this?

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