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As rumors of an Apple-branded television set begin to die down, the company's extant living room foray --?the Apple TV set-top box --?is quietly posting strong sales and impressive growth, new NPD data shared with AppleInsider reveals.

Apple TV vs Roku


Just as Apple's iPhone and handsets running Google's Android operating system have combined to take over the mobile phone market, the Apple TV and rival Roku system together dominate the third party set-top box market with approximately 80 percent between them, according to data from consumer research firm NPD. NPD analyst Benjamin Arnold shared the numbers with AppleInsider during an interview.

The market for streaming accessories is growing quickly, with sales up more than 30 percent on a unit basis over the last twelve months. Apple's "hobby" has posted a 23 percent gain over the same period, Arnold says.

Despite not seeing a hardware refresh in nearly two years, the Cupertino, Calif., company has kept the Apple TV fresh with regular software updates, which Arnold believes are ultimately more important to consumers than speeds and feeds.

"People buy Apple TV because they want to solve a problem --?they want to get content from the small screen to the big screen," he said. Apple and Roku maintain a tight grip on the set-top box market.

Since its release, the Apple TV has become an essential part of many families' entertainment workflows. Where a Mac mini may have once done duty under the television as a dedicated home theater device or a MacBook Pro may have become the center of attention while positioned on a footstool, a single click can now beam audio and video seamlessly and without wires from nearly any Apple device to the Apple TV and from there to a large HDTV display.

Even an iPod touch, when paired with an Apple TV, can become a capable home media center.

In addition, Apple regularly adds new channels to the diminutive device, and has recently begun tying live network television into the streamer. A summer update brought HBO Go and WatchESPN. In addition, WatchABC --?which brings content from local ABC affiliates -- was added this month.

Apple TV update


Though the premium television and sports options still require a cable subscription, Apple is said to have begun negotiations directly with content providers in order to remove that stumbling block. The company brought former Hulu marketing and distribution chief Pete Distad on board in July to move those negotiations along.

Asked for his thoughts on the oft-rumored Apple-branded television set, Arnold expressed doubt that Apple would move in that direction anytime soon. He believes Apple would rather focus their efforts on the Apple TV, where content --?an area Apple knows well --?is king.
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There wouldn't be any two horse race if Apple would just release a damn app store so that local content can be shown.

And before people go on about the presentation of the apps etc, Apple could easily bring in guidelines for this.
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There wouldn't be any two horse race if Apple would just release a damn app store so that local content can be shown.

And before people go on about the presentation of the apps etc, Apple could easily bring in guidelines for this.

 

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There wouldn't be any two horse race if Apple would just release a damn app store so that local content can be shown.

And before people go on about the presentation of the apps etc, Apple could easily bring in guidelines for this.

 

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There wouldn't be any two horse race if Apple would just release a damn app store so that local content can be shown.

And before people go on about the presentation of the apps etc, Apple could easily bring in guidelines for this.

 

Isn't that what airplay already does? I'm being facetious but there is a lot of overlap.

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As a former NeXT/Apple employee, I am sad I still don't have an Apple TV.

 

Main reason is that our TV app has been on Roku for almost a year

and Apple does not seem to want to support our Children's Charity

TV format at this time.

 

Hopefully this will change soon and then I think Apple will take the lead,

but until we can get our Apps/Channels on ATV, there is nothing we can do

but recommend the Roku etc.

 

Hopefully 2014 brings JenTV and many more independent channels to ATV.

 

Ian

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Wonder if in these stats the Raspberry Pi with XBMC is taken into account. Currently using this for mkv from nas playback, and the Airplay support in XBMC is a bonus.

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I use the Apple TV for three things: Netflix, YouTube and AirPlay. Roku is missing two.

Edit: my biggest gripe with Apple TV is the fact that the physical remote is not Bluetooth LE, but IR with an incredibly narrow focus-range.
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Wonder if in these stats the Raspberry Pi with XBMC is taken into account. Currently using this for mkv from nas playback, and the Airplay support in XBMC is a bonus.

Probably not. Have you heard anything about that taking off as a viable competitor?

Also, the incredibly low priced app iVI (on the Mac App Store) is absolutely brilliant. You can load an MKV which it will then determine if it's a movie or TV show, then locate the show name, season, episodes, release data, and other metadata, then strip off the MKV container and wrap it in an MP4 or M4V container, and finally add to iTunes. It can do all this in under 30 seconds without having to re-encode a video that is already H.264 simply because it has an unsupported container.

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As a former NeXT/Apple employee, I am sad I still don't have an Apple TV.

Main reason is that our TV app has been on Roku for almost a year
and Apple does not seem to want to support our Children's Charity
TV format at this time.

Hopefully this will change soon and then I think Apple will take the lead,
but until we can get our Apps/Channels on ATV, there is nothing we can do
but recommend the Roku etc.

Hopefully 2014 brings JenTV and many more independent channels to ATV.

Ian

I have to admit that I don't know who you, or your channel is. Why isn't Apple displaying your channel? There has to be a reason. Once the word "charity" enters the picture, I would be very wary of it. Not to say that you do t do a good job, or aren't honest. I'm not hinting that at all. But charities are a touchy thing to deal with. Apple supports a number of them, but as a supported channel on aTv? I don't know.
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Probably not. Have you heard anything about that taking off as a viable competitor?

Also, the incredibly low priced app iVI (on the Mac App Store) is absolutely brilliant. You can load an MKV which it will then determine if it's a movie or TV show, then locate the show name, season, episodes, release data, and other metadata, then strip off the MKV container and wrap it in an MP4 or M4V container, and finally add to iTunes. It can do all this in under 30 seconds without having to re-encode a video that is already H.264 simply because it has an unsupported container.

Great tip for iVI, will give it a try, as all my media is h264/mkv

 

As for the raspberry, there was a press release in november where it has sold 2 mln. But not all of those are for XBMC.

 

I do know all stores which sell the RPi in my country (nl) are almost always offering a special xmbc bundle more prominently than the bare RPi.

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Understood, melgross.

 

It took a little bit to get the radio app approved, but that has been on iOS for years.

 

A little about the charity.  We have a Radio and TV studio where sick, healthy and disadvantaged kids

come in and be a radio star or do a TV show for an hour or two. Some use it as an escape of their illness,

some use it to share what they are going through and encourage others to get involved.

 

What makes this charity different is that it operates 2 FM stations in the US and 2 Cable TV stations.

Music fills the rest of the time on radio and ClassicTV shows, Movies, Music etc. fill the rest of the TV format.

 

Some Apple employees have given equipment and cash donations for the centers in the past

and we are ready to support the Apple TV with our programming when Apple is ready to allow the smaller producers

to create Apps for Apple TV.

 

Our mission is that we give kids a location to create and share their voice and then broadcast that

to a wider audience, through our Find Your Voice program.

 

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Apple will get there. They are just taking their time right now about making channels available to the smaller partners.</Opinion>

 

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Great tip for iVI, will give it a try, as all my media is h264/mkv

As for the raspberry, there was a press release in november where it has sold 2 mln. But not all of those are for XBMC.

I do know all stores which sell the RPi in my country (nl) are almost always offering a special xmbc bundle more prominently than the bare RPi.

I am one of the 2 million that bought a Raspberry. I played around with it for a day or two and then put it in a box next to my Arduino.

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There wouldn't be any two horse race if Apple would just release a damn app store so that local content can be shown.

And before people go on about the presentation of the apps etc, Apple could easily bring in guidelines for this.

As a consumer I will always prefer at least a 2 horse race.
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When atv can run plex without a hack, then I'll (and many in my friends and family) will purchase atv over roku. I am a long time apple fan and dev, this is the only area I don't own an apple product. Apple is missing the mark here. Plex is my media world for many reasons. It's either buy a Mac mini, or a roku. Not going to buy a Mac mini for every tv in the house

 

 

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The biggest problem with ATV is that there is no App for it. The remote control is a joke and the Remote app is dreadful, providing none of the benefits a thoughtful app could provide: direct access to content, stored preferences, real navigation that doesn't involve constantly backing out of a screen layer by layer by clicking Menu button. If Apple really wants to compete in this arena, rather than treat it as a "hobby" as Jobs described it, they need to step up to the plate and provide a app, or let a 3rd party in the door to do the job.
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Originally Posted by wigby View Post

Isn't that what airplay already does? I'm being facetious but there is a lot of overlap.

 

Someone needs to update to 10.9.1.

 

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When atv can run plex without a hack, then I'll (and many in my friends and family) will purchase atv over roku.
 

Just say, “I’m never going to buy an Apple TV because I want to use a hideous and unintuitive interface and manually manage every single piece of my content with separate metadata and subtitle files.”

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Isn't that what airplay already does? I'm being facetious but there is a lot of overlap.

 

A few apps do indeed allow airplay, however the quality is not the same streamed from your iDevice as it is when run natively. Also, you have the added hassle of having to have your iDevice open with its battery draining whilst you airplay.

 

Don't get me wrong, airplay is great and will quite possibly be the answer for gaming on the ATV. Especially now that the controllers are starting to come out.

 

I don't envision the app store so much for apps, as opposed to channels. Apple could call it the channel store if they wanted to.

 

Most of the benefits of the Apple TV are only available to Americans and all of the updates are aimed squarely at the US audience. Apple has made no attempt whatsoever to increase the appeal outside of the US despite charging over the odds for the device internationally. The ATV represent the single biggest  price difference of any Apple product in the UK vs the US.

 

It's........ annoying to say the very least.

 

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Just to clarify, the UK ATV price including 20% VAT comes out at $161. The US Apple TV price with 20% added to it is only $118. So we pay $43 more dollars (eye watering 36% more) than Americans do. 

 

Outside of the US you know that Apple is going to get you to bend over and take it, usually to the tune of 10-15%. But 36%..... and then add in the lack of updates, local content etc etc.

 

Sure, I don't have to buy an ATV. I could buy a Roku/whatever, but I am heavily invested in Apple technology with around £10000 worth of Apple tech in our home. It would be nice, if just for once Apple acted like they gave a shit about their customers who are not based in the US.


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A few apps do indeed allow airplay, however the quality is not the same streamed from your iDevice as it is when run natively. Also, you have the added hassle of having to have your iDevice open with its battery draining whilst you airplay.

 

Don't get me wrong, airplay is great and will quite possibly be the answer for gaming on the ATV. Especially now that the controllers are starting to come out.

 

All apps allow airplay because you can mirror any app to your Apple TV at anytime. The usefulness of airplay on all apps is a different story.

 

My point is that to most people there is no difference between watching or interacting with content on the Apple TV vs. the same thing on your device. They don't care where it comes from so long as it plays on the TV. And besides, you'll need a remote anyway so why not use your device. Until Apple releases a full SDK for Apple TV, the airplay/device solution seems OK.

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There wouldn't be any two horse race if Apple would just release a damn app store so that local content can be shown.

And before people go on about the presentation of the apps etc, Apple could easily bring in guidelines for this.
 
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When atv can run plex without a hack, then I'll (and many in my friends and family) will purchase atv over roku. I am a long time apple fan and dev, this is the only area I don't own an apple product. Apple is missing the mark here. Plex is my media world for many reasons. It's either buy a Mac mini, or a roku. Not going to buy a Mac mini for every tv in the house
 

This (well, these), exactly. When the AppleTV has an app store and (more to the point) can run Plex natively, then I will buy. I have a first generation AppleTV and I love the interface and seamless integration with my iTunes content but it was only after it was hacked to run Boxee that it truly became a useful device. Sadly, Boxee dropped support for their freely downloadable apps (yeah, I get that they wanted to make money, but they effectively used us all as beta testers for the software they would ultimately use for the Boxee Box) and the first-generation device was simply too underpowered to support the wealth of content that Boxee (and the XMBC port) opened up access too. Most of the channels simply wouldn't run, and the streamed content had to be 480p because the hardware decoder required a very specific format to display 720p.

 

I still use my 1st-gen device for music and I fire up XBMC on it occasionally because it gives the older device Airplay support, but (primarily because Plex is *that* good, not just for the living room but with a Plex Pass you get the added convenience of access to content offline on iOS and other mobile devices) 99% of the time I go to the Roku for video content. The lack of Plex support on AppleTV has me seriously looking at alternatives (like Vudu and Amazon) for digital video purchases, and I haven't bought a new AppleTV because of its lack of support for apps like Plex.

 

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Also, the incredibly low priced app iVI (on the Mac App Store) is absolutely brilliant. You can load an MKV which it will then determine if it's a movie or TV show, then locate the show name, season, episodes, release data, and other metadata, then strip off the MKV container and wrap it in an MP4 or M4V container, and finally add to iTunes. It can do all this in under 30 seconds without having to re-encode a video that is already H.264 simply because it has an unsupported container.

 

Okay, that rocks. Thanks! I've hacked together some shell scripts with ffmpeg in an attempt to move h.264 content out of the MKV container and into M4V without the overhead (and degradation) involved in re-transcoding, but was never fully successful, plus I never found a good solution for automatically downloading the metadata after re-containing the media. This looks to be just what I was looking for. $4 is a bargain if it really works!

 

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The biggest problem with ATV is that there is no App for it. The remote control is a joke and the Remote app is dreadful, providing none of the benefits a thoughtful app could provide: direct access to content, stored preferences, real navigation that doesn't involve constantly backing out of a screen layer by layer by clicking Menu button. If Apple really wants to compete in this arena, rather than treat it as a "hobby" as Jobs described it, they need to step up to the plate and provide a app, or let a 3rd party in the door to do the job.

 

Funny - I think the AppleTV Remote app is one of the strong selling points. Trying using the Roku Remote app and see how it compares. With tens of thousands of songs in my iTunes collection (especially with iTunes Match), try using your Harmony remote to scroll through and find that proverbial needle in a haystack. The iOS Remote app is so much better. The Plex app for iOS isn't too bad either as you can scroll through content and send it to a Plex app running elsewhere on your network (like on Roku or on a Mac Mini). Unfortunately, it's still not as good as Apple's Remote app for iOS. 

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Just to clarify, the UK ATV price including 20% VAT comes out at $161. The US Apple TV price with 20% added to it is only $118. So we pay $43 more dollars (eye watering 36% more) than Americans do. 

 

Outside of the US you know that Apple is going to get you to bend over and take it, usually to the tune of 10-15%. But 36%..... and then add in the lack of updates, local content etc etc.

 

Sure, I don't have to buy an ATV. I could buy a Roku/whatever, but I am heavily invested in Apple technology with around £10000 worth of Apple tech in our home. It would be nice, if just for once Apple acted like they gave a shit about their customers who are not based in the US.

 

+1

 

But the inclusion of the Sky Sports day pass via NowTV, along with Sky News itself, are nice recent additions to ATV.  AirPlay is the feature I admire/desire most - But as a web streamer, my PS3 is offering what I need at the moment.  And I'm surprised there's still no BBC iPlayer... Can't justify Apple TV (to the wife!) without it.

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All apps allow airplay because you can mirror any app to your Apple TV at anytime. The usefulness of airplay on all apps is a different story.

 

My point is that to most people there is no difference between watching or interacting with content on the Apple TV vs. the same thing on your device. They don't care where it comes from so long as it plays on the TV. And besides, you'll need a remote anyway so why not use your device. Until Apple releases a full SDK for Apple TV, the airplay/device solution seems OK.

Wrong, all apps can support airplay. However many TV based apps block Airplay.

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Haters gonna stream.

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I don't understand why the Roku 3 doesn't have an antenna input so users can leverage free local HD-over-the-air channels and hasten the cord cutting revolution.

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Without factoring in game consoles, these numbers are just smoke and mirrors nonsense. Where would those percentages fall factoring in the PS3/4 and Xbox 360/One? Considering how Netflix announced last December that the PS3 was the most used set-top device accessing their content, it would clearly present a very different picture. Where would they fall factoring in TiVo and connected TVs? They'd probably be reduced back to niche players where they actually fall.
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Just say, “I’m never going to buy an Apple TV because I want to use a hideous and unintuitive interface and manually manage every single piece of my content with separate metadata and subtitle files.”

 

Says he who has clearly never truly used Plex. I'm not going to argue that its interface is better than the native AppleTV's; it's not. The AppleTV interface is definitely better. However, I'd hardly call it hideous and unintuitive, particularly when I compare it to so-called media extenders like the Xbox 360 which has the most hideous, unusable interface I've ever seen. And while your comment about the interface is somewhat objective, your assertion that metadata is manually managed or that subtitle files must be separate is not. The Plex Media Server can handle embedded subtitles in MKV files just fine, and metadata is hardly manually managed. Plex continually scans media folders for incoming files and downloads metadata automatically. On occasion I have to manually edit metadata, but that's rare and generally happens when I feed it files that have ambiguous filenames. If you're simply stating that you don't like the fact that metadata is not contained within the media file, that's certainly true and I don't disagree that iTunes generally handles this better, but even it doesn't store all metadata inside its files consistently. I've moved content between computers and lost album or movie artwork, director/actor metadata, and absolutely lose the metadata such as date added, last played, play count, etc.

 

Plex adds so much convenience and automation between its media server, everywhere clients (for me that's Roku, iOS, and Web but there are also Android and Windows Phone clients), and automated transcoding and offline storage with Plex Pass that I live with a less desirable interface (that is, I prefer the AppleTV interface but don't hate the Plex interface) and am not particularly bothered by how it stores its metadata in a separate database. Besides, as I mentioned, iTunes uses a XML-based database file too and stores some metadata outside the individual media files as well.

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I use the Apple TV for three things: Netflix, YouTube and AirPlay. Roku is missing two.

Edit: my biggest gripe with Apple TV is the fact that the physical remote is not Bluetooth LE, but IR with an incredibly narrow focus-range.

 

Your gripe is easily addressed by Apple TV's support of third-party remotes. You can quickly teach it your remote's commands. No fiddling with "learning remotes" required.


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Wish Boxee was still in the picture, I use mine every day and it's pretty great.
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Wish Boxee was still in the picture, I use mine every day and it's pretty great.

 

Agreed - Boxee was/is great. Much better then XBMC (which, aside from pretty menus, I never really got the point of).

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Probably not. Have you heard anything about that taking off as a viable competitor?

Also, the incredibly low priced app iVI (on the Mac App Store) is absolutely brilliant. You can load an MKV which it will then determine if it's a movie or TV show, then locate the show name, season, episodes, release data, and other metadata, then strip off the MKV container and wrap it in an MP4 or M4V container, and finally add to iTunes. It can do all this in under 30 seconds without having to re-encode a video that is already H.264 simply because it has an unsupported container.

Tip of the week - great app. Thanks!

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I don't understand why the Roku 3 doesn't have an antenna input so users can leverage free local HD-over-the-air channels and hasten the cord cutting revolution.

 

 

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Where would they fall factoring in TiVo and connected TVs? They'd probably be reduced back to niche players where they actually fall.

 

Exactly.  TiVo provides all of the Internet content, plus allowing you to record 4 (6 if cable) broadcast shows simultaneously.  Then stream that recorded content to your iPad/iPhone whenever you want. Now with out of home streaming, you can watch your stuff anywhere.  Exclusively on Apple iDevices.  Apple should buy TiVo, incorporate their tech into ATV, and the battle would be over.  

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I use the Apple TV for three things: Netflix, YouTube and AirPlay. Roku is missing two.

Edit: my biggest gripe with Apple TV is the fact that the physical remote is not Bluetooth LE, but IR with an incredibly narrow focus-range.

 

thats good and bad. With Bluetooth many would not be able to control it with a IR universal remote.  PS3 has the same problem.  You can buy a $99 bluetooth adapter.  I control my tv/receiver/cablebox/bluray/AppleTV with a single remote.  It would suck if I had to use the Apple remote by itself if it was bluetooth

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A few apps do indeed allow airplay, however the quality is not the same streamed from your iDevice as it is when run natively. Also, you have the added hassle of having to have your iDevice open with its battery draining whilst you airplay.

 

Don't get me wrong, airplay is great and will quite possibly be the answer for gaming on the ATV. Especially now that the controllers are starting to come out.

 

I don't envision the app store so much for apps, as opposed to channels. Apple could call it the channel store if they wanted to.

 

Most of the benefits of the Apple TV are only available to Americans and all of the updates are aimed squarely at the US audience. Apple has made no attempt whatsoever to increase the appeal outside of the US despite charging over the odds for the device internationally. The ATV represent the single biggest  price difference of any Apple product in the UK vs the US.

 

It's........ annoying to say the very least.

 

EDIT

 

Just to clarify, the UK ATV price including 20% VAT comes out at $161. The US Apple TV price with 20% added to it is only $118. So we pay $43 more dollars (eye watering 36% more) than Americans do. 

 

Outside of the US you know that Apple is going to get you to bend over and take it, usually to the tune of 10-15%. But 36%..... and then add in the lack of updates, local content etc etc.

 

Sure, I don't have to buy an ATV. I could buy a Roku/whatever, but I am heavily invested in Apple technology with around £10000 worth of Apple tech in our home. It would be nice, if just for once Apple acted like they gave a shit about their customers who are not based in the US.

 

We can say the same thing about Aston Martin cars.  Stuff are usually cheaper in the home country

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I'm finding I stream Netflx and my collection of movies using my smart,( dare I say it) Samsung tv. The interface isn't as clean but I only need to use one remote. When I upgraded my Blueray player to include a Receiver the girl who bought my old one wanted it because it had a usb port. She uses it to connect an external hardrive loaded with movies.

The ATV gets used for airplay (maybe 60 minutes a week) and itune rentals. By playing with the DNS I can get Netflix from other countries but seldom do that.

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When atv can run plex without a hack, then I'll (and many in my friends and family) will purchase atv over roku. I am a long time apple fan and dev, this is the only area I don't own an apple product. Apple is missing the mark here. Plex is my media world for many reasons. It's either buy a Mac mini, or a roku. Not going to buy a Mac mini for every tv in the house
Apple TV has been the greatest addition to my home since we moved into a place with a dishwasher. I have every movie I own on an unraid server in a closet and my iTunes library points to it. Turn on home sharing and I've got a tiny box that replaces a huge entertainment center full of DVD boxes.
Couple that with air video HD and I've got a home theatre suite. Without the help of plex
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Apple TV has been the greatest addition to my home since we moved into a place with a dishwasher. I have every movie I own on an unraid server in a closet and my iTunes library points to it. Turn on home sharing and I've got a tiny box that replaces a huge entertainment center full of DVD boxes.
Couple that with air video HD and I've got a home theatre suite. Without the help of plex

 

sounds like a great setup.  Were some of these movies DVD?  How did you rip them to your desktop?

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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

Without factoring in game consoles, these numbers are just smoke and mirrors nonsense. Where would those percentages fall factoring in the PS3/4 and Xbox 360/One? Considering how Netflix announced last December that the PS3 was the most used set-top device accessing their content, it would clearly present a very different picture. Where would they fall factoring in TiVo and connected TVs? They'd probably be reduced back to niche players where they actually fall.


 but those consoles cost 200%-400% more than the AppleTV for most of their product cycle.

You are not comparing Apples to Apples.

What next?  Include PC's and Tablets that can also stream movies to your tv?

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sounds like a great setup.  Were some of these movies DVD?  How did you rip them to your desktop?
I ripped the DVDs using handbrake and the blu-rays I used MakeMKV. Then I opened up subler (the best application for re-wrapping instead of converting) to convert the .mkv to m4v. I also threw in the .srt (subtitle file) and metadata and imported it all into a file then threw it on the server. So now I've got metadata and soft subtitles. Perfect setup for a household who has mixed feelings on subtitles. Haha
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Unless Apple does something really amazing with their next gen ATV, I'll stay hooked on Roku. They seem to be getting better and better. Love the USB port, Plex, channel choices, speed, remote, etc... At-least for now the races winner is easily Roku.

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I use the Apple TV for three things: Netflix, YouTube and AirPlay. Roku is missing two.

I have the first gen Roku HDXR. I have YouTube...it's a private channel I think is no longer available, but it still works great for me.

Some of the new Roku's have a remote with a headphone jack. Have not used it, but it seems like a cool, useful feature.
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"People buy Apple TV because they want to solve a problem %u2014 they want to get content from the small screen to the big screen," he said.

This people wants to get content from the cloud to the screen. If it's on my pad, the viewing angle is wider and the resolution is better, so I wouldn't AirPlay it.
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As an owner of Apple TV gen 3 (and gen 1) and Roku 3 (and LT), I can say they're both great boxes.

Apple TV has by far the better, more consistent interface, and bluetooth keyboard support is handy (Roku's iPhone app supports typing on iPhone, but the box doesn't directly support a BT keyboard AFAIK).

Roku has two things Apple TV doesn't that made me want it - 1. Amazon streaming (great for Prime members), and 2. Cross-service search. I have several streaming services - Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix, and HBO Go. Nice to have the ability to search for a title and see where it's available instead of having to go into each service and search there. Killer feature, and if Apple TV had this and an App Store (which would result in an Amazon app pretty quickly) I can't think of anything that would make me recommend a Roku over Apple TV, other than price.
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