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That's a server, not a workstation. The Mac Pro is not a server, it's a workstation. It would also do you well to check the pricing on that Dell, both the base machine and the upgrades.

It's not a server but uses server class CPUs and can run OS X Server. No reason for Apple to hold back, the Dell PowerEdge T620 starts at $1,199.00 and goes up from there based on configuration (a lot more than 200 configurations BTW)

Dell PowerEdge T620 Pricing:
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t620/pd?~ck=anav
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It's not a server but uses server class CPUs and can run OS X Server. No reason for Apple to hold back, the Dell PowerEdge T620 starts at $1,199.00 and goes up from there based on configuration (a lot more than 200 configurations BTW)

Dell PowerEdge T620 Pricing:
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t620/pd?~ck=anav

Running OS X Server isn't a valid argument for a machine being server-class considering it's a $20 app available to all Macs.

I even have OS X "Leopard" Server on a decade old iMac that I use only as an iTunes and Time Machine server. ITunes works fine with just Home Sharing to Macs and Apple TV but needed to install Server to get the attached RAID via FW400 to show up as a Time Machine option for the local Macs.

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It's not a server but uses server class CPUs and can run OS X Server. No reason for Apple to hold back, the Dell PowerEdge T620 starts at $1,199.00 and goes up from there based on configuration (a lot more than 200 configurations BTW)

Dell PowerEdge T620 Pricing:
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t620/pd?~ck=anav


You know I used to own an old power edge with 15k SCSI drives and tape backup. It was a retired one, but I used it learn ESXI (still called ESX at the time). It provided a set of certified hardware for the test deployment. Anyway I'm not sure what is relevant between the two. They make what they make. I doubt sales will take off on day 1, but if it shows little growth by day 300 we may not see a version 2.

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Which is your favorite/most reliable online retailer for ordering the Mac Pro besides the Apple online store?

I wonder who would ever order it straight from Apple anyway, since they charge sales tax...

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Running OS X Server isn't a valid argument for a machine being server-class considering it's a $20 app available to all Macs.

Just because the Mac Pro is a considered a "workstation" doesn't mean it can't include server class parts. I would love the option of having redundant power supplies and lights out management and expansion via internal slots versus being limited by Thunderbolt 2 throughput.
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Anyway I'm not sure what is relevant between the two. They make what they make. I doubt sales will take off on day 1, but if it shows little growth by day 300 we may not see a version 2.

This is exactly what I'm worried about. Apple slipped up with the cylindrical form factor. Had they gone with a design similar to the Dell PowerEdge T620 they could have both targeted the Pro market and at the same time the server market.

For example I have several Xserves hosting petabytes of storage on XSAN over 10gbe fibre that will need viable replacements in a couple of years.

I'd love to continue running OS X to manage it, but without real server hardware from Apple I may be forced to go the Windows or Linux route with stornext.

Mac Minis wont do the trick as promise thunderbolt to fibre channel adapters are flakey, I have over 100 of these are constantly being RMA'd because of overheating (Internal fibre cards are ALOT more reliable!) Not to mention lack of redundant PSUs and no LOM on the minis.
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This is exactly what I'm worried about. Apple slipped up with the cylindrical form factor. Had they gone with a design similar to the Dell PowerEdge T620 they could have both targeted the Pro market and at the same time the server market.

For example I have several Xserves hosting petabytes of storage on XSAN over 10gbe fibre that will need viable replacements in a couple of years.

 

The problem there is that Apple walked away from both the Xserve and XSAN long ago. I don't remember them offering a fibre channel card as a standard cto option on recent configurations. That to me along with deprecated Xserve support would indicate they're a bad match going forward if you need to run fibre. I don't think it'll get any better as the server market seems to be looking at increased commoditization. Some of the biggest customers build their own or directly contract odms. The oems like server markets due to their margins, but I don't see Apple going after that in its current state. I mean I understand the frustration, but I don't see a good solution for that configuration. Apple's offerings in terms of what can be leveraged as server hardware are better suited to small implementations. They aren't designed with that kind of scalability in mind as a primary use case.

 

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Not to mention lack of redundant PSUs and no LOM on the minis.

 

Most people who don't deal with server hardware are unaware of the typical level of redundancy. I can appreciate the concern. I do think the minis are good for some things. I've suggested them as "good enough" for a lot of tasks. I wouldn't necessarily recommend one in that situation. If we're talking about networked storage and high levels of redundancy, it's not a great solution. I'm still puzzled that they market Raid 5 support on that promise box when the packaged drives don't use the shorter firmware timings. It's one of those areas where I feel like their marketing department won an argument.

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Just because the Mac Pro is a considered a "workstation" doesn't mean it can't include server class parts. I would love the option of having redundant power supplies and lights out management and expansion via internal slots versus being limited by Thunderbolt 2 throughput.

Sure, it could include this or this and be marketed in a completely different way, just as Apple could also bring back the Xserve or start making and selling apricot cider, but they don't and nothing says that they are going to. They didn't include rundundant power supplies, LoM, or expansion slots so why argue that they could have?

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I'm still puzzled that they market Raid 5 support on that promise box when the packaged drives don't use the shorter firmware timings. It's one of those areas where I feel like their marketing department won an argument.

Could you educate me on this issue?

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Could you educate me on this issue?


Oh sure. I was referring to the Promise Pegasus and that they use standard drives. I would want enterprise firmware timings on a Raid 5 setup specifically because they use shorter error recovery timings to prevent controller timeout. Here's a better explanation than my own of the resulting problem.

 

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Sure, it could include this or this and be marketed in a completely different way, just as Apple could also bring back the Xserve or start making and selling apricot cider, but they don't and nothing says that they are going to. They didn't include rundundant power supplies, LoM, or expansion slots so why argue that they could have?

 

I would argue that in his position, I wouldn't have confidence in a long term fibre solution from Apple. If an alternative to this was found to be suitable during the time preceding necessary purchase orders, that would be different.

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Oh sure. I was referring to the Promise Pegasus and that they use standard drives. I would want enterprise firmware timings on a Raid 5 setup specifically because they use shorter error recovery timings to prevent controller timeout. Here's a better explanation than my own of the resulting problem.

Thanks for the link. I had never heard of this. I have a RAID1+0 setup but I haven't setup a UPS (yet). It's just an iTunes Server and Time Machine backups so I don't consider the likelihood of losing a block on a video or song or having both the RAID and Mac fail in a way that causes an issue but I might as well set it up since I have it.

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Just for kicks, you can even find the same Xeon server class chips in laptops:
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/eurocom_launches_laptop_with_12_core_intel_xeon_e5_2697_v2_cpu.html

They call that a laptop? Hmm, 'kay.

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They call that a laptop? Hmm, 'kay.


Battery/UPS: 1 hour battery
Dimensions: W x D x H = 16.48 x 11.25 x 2.2-2.4 inches (or 419 x 286 x 57.9~62.1 mm)
Weight: 5.5 kg or 12.1 lbs

That might be a notebook form factor but on no lap that will be residing.

For the life of me I can't comprehend who would be the target market for this machine. Someone that needs to tout around a test server to show clients? Or is this just a proof-of-concept the company put into production for the hell or it?

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Thanks for the link. I had never heard of this. I have a RAID1+0 setup but I haven't setup a UPS (yet). It's just an iTunes Server and Time Machine backups so I don't consider the likelihood of losing a block on a video or song or having both the RAID and Mac fail in a way that causes an issue but I might as well set it up since I have it.

No problem. That's not as severe of an issue with Raid 10, although loss of power would be bad, as it would be unable to flush the controller cache. The problem with Raid 5 in that situation is that it can cause bad parity data to be written or just the issue of drive timeouts resulting in corruption due to an inability to write out cached data. 10 is probably a better idea, as it doesn't have that parity issue.

 

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They call that a laptop? Hmm, 'kay.

 

I'm going to need you to recognize that as a laptop.... mmmkay.

I'm in far too silly of a mood today.

 

 

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No problem. That's not as severe of an issue with Raid 10, although loss of power would be bad, as it would be unable to flush the controller cache. The problem with Raid 5 in that situation is that it can cause bad parity data to be written or just the issue of drive timeouts resulting in corruption due to an inability to write out cached data. 10 is probably a better idea, as it doesn't have that parity issue.

That's good to hear. I considered the pros and cons of 5 and 10 but decided to give 10 a try for the additional speed even though I'm not really sure it was enough to warrant the halving my total data capacity and reducing my 5-bay RAID to only ever using 4 discs. I ultimately figured that 8TB (on 4xx4TB) of usable storage will last me more than enough years that I won't even consider buying a 5th disc until such time I'll want to invest in a new RAID and new drives.

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Or is this just a proof-of-concept the company put into production for the hell or it?

I think the latter. I cannot phantom an IT guy taking this machine from office to office. Do take note that in order to get max performance you need to power this thing with TWO adapters:



Tom's Hardware has the full review, with a Final Thoughts:
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Now, we can already predict how the comments for this story are going to look. There will be those who understand where a platform like this makes legitimate sense, whether for desktop-like performance or for making money on the go. Those are the folks Eurocom has in mind when it does something like announce its Panther 5SE mobile server (a concept that still seems strange to us, but is just one step removed from this very similar mobile workstation). It's all about performance and adaptability above all else.

Then there will be the critics who see this system's size, its inelegant dual power adapter setup, its battery life, or even just its price tag and conclude that it doesn't do anything for them. These folks aren't going to be entirely wrong, either. The Panther 5D is undoubtedly a very niche offering for a very specific customer. It's aimed at a narrow group that needs maximum performance in a portable. People outside the target demographic will see overkill.

We used the Panther for a variety of tasks over a couple of months. During the day we worked with video production, photo editing, and software testing. The Panther was great at chewing through hours of sequential video data. After hours, there was a lot more gaming going on. There's a lot to like about the system's headphone output, too. At the end of the day, Eurocom's configuration never let us down in a task that demanded maximum speed. And while its weaknesses are apparent, it does everything else exceedingly well.
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PhilBoogie wrote, "lol, though I prefer the original UK version."

Are you thinking of The Office or was there a UK version of the movie Office Space?

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That's good to hear. I considered the pros and cons of 5 and 10 but decided to give 10 a try for the additional speed even though I'm not really sure it was enough to warrant the halving my total data capacity and reducing my 5-bay RAID to only ever using 4 discs. I ultimately figured that 8TB (on 4xx4TB) of usable storage will last me more than enough years that I won't even consider buying a 5th disc until such time I'll want to invest in a new RAID and new drives.

That's still a fairly large raid for a single individual. A fifth drive can technically function as a hot spare, but I'm not sure that offers much benefit with your configuration.

 

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PhilBoogie wrote, "lol, though I prefer the original UK version."

Are you thinking of The Office or was there a UK version of the movie Office Space?

I suspect he's thinking of The Office, as I don't remember one of Office Space. I just really liked that movie. Milton was awesome.

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PhilBoogie wrote, "lol, though I prefer the original UK version."

Are you thinking of The Office or was there a UK version of the movie Office Space?

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I suspect he's thinking of The Office, as I don't remember one of Office Space. I just really liked that movie. Milton was awesome.

The UK version of The Office. When I was tipped on this series I was told not to watch the US version. As good as a friend she is, I did take a peek, and she was right; I didn't like the US version. Oh well.

I'll check out this movie you've pointed me to; thanks.

edit: incredibly slow today: only now I see that I thought the clip was from the series but turns out to be from the movie. I'll stop posting until I wake up [goes out running, trying to do a half a marathon within 1'40'']
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I'll check out this movie you've pointed me to; thanks.
 

 

It's a very silly movie, and I used to reference it more often, such as suggesting there was a minimum number of tattoos required to work at the place where I went for a haircut. Perhaps you'll get that joke once you see the movie.

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Weight: 5.5 kg or 12.1 lbs

"Something to drag about"
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The UK version of The Office. When I was tipped on this series I was told not to watch the US version. As good as a friend she is, I did take a peek, and she was right; I didn't like the US version. Oh well.

I'll check out this movie you've pointed me to; thanks.

edit: incredibly slow today: only now I see that I thought the clip was from the series but turns out to be from the movie. I'll stop posting until I wake up [goes out running, trying to do a half a marathon within 1'40'']

I was a fan of the UK version of The Office so I didn't watch the US version at first as the US has a poor record of adopting shows. The first season of the US version was mostly the same with terms changed out that the US audience wouldn't recognize. The 6th and the final episode of season 1 was different, as I recall, and in season 2 it started being an original series.

I think it was almost canceled for having poor ratings except for sales on the still fledging TV show section of the iTunes Store and then with the success of Steve Carrell's The 40 Year Old Virgin that boosted the show's ratings. It came into its own and I found it to be much better than the original simply because there was a lot mote episodes in which to connect to the characters.

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That's still a fairly large raid for a single individual. A fifth drive can technically function as a hot spare, but I'm not sure that offers much benefit with your configuration.

Yeah, the hot spare option wouldn't make a difference for me. I use about 3.75GB right now but I suspect it'll take me years to fill up the other 4GB which is why 8GB of usable store seemed like a good number

I honestly love that I was able to do all this on a 10 year old iMac. One of those with spherical base and the original flatscreen. I use Ethernet to my AEBS so 100Mbps is sufficient and it's not doing any real processing. It's basically what I've wanted Apple to release in a Home Server solution that uses iOS and ARM in a RAID solution.

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I was a fan of the UK version of The Office so I didn't watch the US version at first as the US has a poor record of adopting shows.

Thank you for this. I was a bit, ehm, awry (? edit, wrong word) to post my preference for non-Ameria shows on an American website here, but trusted that we all are mature enough to not let any form of Xenophobia to surface.
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The first season of the US version was mostly the same with terms changed out that the US audience wouldn't recognize. The 6th and the final episode of season 1 was different, as I recall, and in season 2 it started being an original series.

I Wiki-ed it and see that their height was 9M viewers with S5. They started with 5M viewers and ended at that number with S9. Still, 201 episodes is simply too much for me, which is why ↓
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I think it was almost canceled for having poor ratings except for sales on the still fledging TV show section of the iTunes Store and then with the success of Steve Carrell's The 40 Year Old Virgin that boosted the show's ratings. It came into its own and I found it to be much better than the original simply because there was a lot mote episodes in which to connect to the characters.

The 40 Year Old Virgin! Thanks, I'll rent that and have a ball, I hope, and only have to watch TV for 2h12m, which is more than enough for me.

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Ok, back to tech.
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Lots o' benchmarks

But this one (MacWorld) is pretty useless. They compare import times with the old Mac Pro, which uses a HDD, and that is an unfair comparison. Also the comparisons with a laptop seems really... off.
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Also, it would be nice if some test site would set up a set of files that people could download and test on their own machines for comparison and to organize the results.  Real-world stuff like a movie that would have several effects performed on it, a 10-second animation in variety of 3D apps for rendering.

I don't expect this type of in-depth reviews to pop up before the next batch arrives in Feb. So fa I've only seen FCP websites testing it. Hopefully they all are testing away this weekend and we can read upon their findings this coming week.
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Thank you for this. I was a bit, ehm, awry (? edit, wrong word) to post my preference for non-Ameria shows on an American website here, but trusted that we all are mature enough to not let any form of Xenophobia to surface.
I Wiki-ed it and see that their height was 9M viewers with S5. They started with 5M viewers and ended at that number with S9. Still, 201 episodes is simply too much for me, which is why ↓
The 40 Year Old Virgin! Thanks, I'll rent that and have a ball, I hope, and only have to watch TV for 2h12m, which is more than enough for me.

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We could have an entire discussion about direct and lose adaption of TV shows. Most people think this is a newer phenomenon in television "where the executives have run out of ideas" but in reality it's been around for a long time. Sanford and Sons was adopted from the BBC series Steptoe and Son and I am pretty sure a lot of earlier sitcoms were adaptations from stage plays.

Perhaps my favorite is "Inspector Spaceman" simply because it's both an in-show spoof and homage to Doctor Who.



The worst adaptation is the very short-lived Coupling. Moffat's original was brilliant but the US version was awful.

Then you have adaptions that really aren't. For instance, Elementary is not a US adaption of Moffat's — favorite television writer, BTW — Sherlock. I think it came about from the success of Sherlock but the design of the show and characters are too unique to call it a copy. At most I'd say Sherlock inspired its creation but it's very much it's own beast.
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We could have an entire discussion about direct and lose adaption of TV shows. Most people think this is a newer phenomenon in television "where the executives have run out of ideas" but in reality it's been around for a long time. Sanford and Sons was adopted from the BBC series Steptoe and Son and I am pretty sure a lot of earlier sitcoms were adaptations from stage plays.

Good point; many are indeed based on old plays.
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Perhaps my favorite is "Inspector Spaceman" simply because it's both an in-show spoof and homage to Doctor Who.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSyIgydYfs


The worst adaptation is the very short-lived Coupling. Moffat's original was brilliant but the US version was awful.

Then you have adaptions that really aren't. For instance, Elementary is not a US adaption of Moffat's — favorite television writer, BTW — Sherlock. I think it came about from the success of Sherlock but the design of the show and characters are too unique to call it a copy. At most I'd say Sherlock inspired its creation but it's very much it's own beast.

1) you seem to be a master at time management; if you can watch all this and still have your 2nd account hit the post count top #10 this week I simply cannot understand how you do it. Perhaps one eye is on the telly, and the other is reading and posting here at AI? Just don't tell me there are 3 other sites where you're one of the regular contributors as well!

2) I just started watching Elementary, thanks to you. And I agree; not really a copy, yet still having the same quality. I'm really enjoying it. Normally I like to watch an entire series after it has finished airing, so I don't have to wait for it. I sure hope S2 is nearing an end so I can watch that straight after the 1st series.
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1) you seem to be a master at time management; if you can watch all this and still have your 2nd account hit the post count top #10 this week I simply cannot understand how you do it. Perhaps one eye is on the telly, and the other is reading and posting here at AI? Just don't tell me there are 3 other sites where you're one of the regular contributors as well!

I consider myself a good multi-tasker but there is a lot of useless fat I could should cut from my routine.
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2) I just started watching Elementary, thanks to you. And I agree; not really a copy, yet still having the same quality. I'm really enjoying it. Normally I like to watch an entire series after it has finished airing, so I don't have to wait for it. I sure hope S2 is nearing an end so I can watch that straight after the 1st series.

IMO, Sherlock is better than Elementary up until the last few episodes of S01 then is surpasses it.

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I consider myself a good multi-tasker but there is a lot of useless fat I could should cut from my routine.

Excellent! I love people who do a strikethrough on could and make the effort in should. Hats of if it turns into a did.
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IMO, Sherlock is better than Elementary up until the last few episodes of S01 then is surpasses it.

Wow! So it only gets better? In that case; signing off and onto the couch, I deserved it after my workout today.
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I think it was almost canceled for having poor ratings except for sales on the still fledging TV show section of the iTunes Store and then with the success of Steve Carrell's The 40 Year Old Virgin that boosted the show's ratings. It came into its own and I found it to be much better than the original simply because there was a lot mote episodes in which to connect to the characters.

I used to watch The Daily Show for Carrell's sarcasm. I still never got into the US version of The Office though.

 

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Yeah, the hot spare option wouldn't make a difference for me. I use about 3.75GB right now but I suspect it'll take me years to fill up the other 4GB which is why 8GB of usable store seemed like a good number

I honestly love that I was able to do all this on a 10 year old iMac. One of those with spherical base and the original flatscreen. I use Ethernet to my AEBS so 100Mbps is sufficient and it's not doing any real processing. It's basically what I've wanted Apple to release in a Home Server solution that uses iOS and ARM in a RAID solution.

 

So you want an Apple branded NAS with some kind of file check in /check out? That is kind of how it sounds.

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I used to watch The Daily Show for Carrell's sarcasm. I still never got into the US version of The Office though.

Little known fact: Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrell are the voices of Ace and Gary, respectively, on the cartoon The Ambiguously Gay Duo which first aired in 1996, well before each were famous.
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So you want an Apple branded NAS with some kind of file check in /check out? That is kind of how it sounds.

I'm not sure what you mean by "file check in/check out." Basically watch I want is least a 2 drive system that works much like Windows Home Server, except with the added bonus of also being an iTunes Server that doesn't need Mac OS or Windows with iTunes to run, Time Machine backups, and be able to lot your home's device types so that it can grab SW and OS updates once and then allow your home server to administer them locally instead of each device grabbing them from the internet independently.

Why doesn't Time Capsule work for me? That's basically two drives if you're only using it for Time Machine backups since you have the default machine(s) and the Time Capsule, but for a true home server, especially one that is your media hub for iTunes content Time Capsule offers no redundancy.

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Excellent! I love people who do a strikethrough on could and make the effort in should. Hats of if it turns into a did.

If I were truly committed I would have done a strikethrough on should and written will.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "file check in/check out." Basically watch I want is least a 2 drive system that works much like Windows Home Server, except with the added bonus of also being an iTunes Server that doesn't need Mac OS or Windows with iTunes to run, Time Machine backups, and be able to lot your home's device types so that it can grab SW and OS updates once and then allow your home server to administer them locally instead of each device grabbing them from the internet independently.

Sounds like that is what Tallest Skil also wants. Maybe we can see a large WiFi HDMI stick from Apple, which connects to a iTunes Home Server?

As for centralized software updates, I have installed a SUS server once (Windows) and that indeed works perfect. Though with the fats Internet access people nowadays have I fail to see the use if a family 'only' has about 5 Macs and 10 iOS devices. Sure, it adds up, but not a deal breaker unles you're on dial up. Does that even exist anymore? It's unavailable here in The Netherlands.
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Little known fact: Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrell are the voices of Ace and Gary, respectively, on the cartoon The Ambiguously Gay Duo which first aired in 1996, well before each were famous.
 

Regarding the Ambiguously Gay Duo, the BBC sort of beat them to the punchline on that one. Think of The Ambiguously Gay Duo as the US version of Bananaman.

 

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I'm not sure what you mean by "file check in/check out." Basically watch I want is least a 2 drive system that works much like Windows Home Server, except with the added bonus of also being an iTunes Server that doesn't need Mac OS or Windows with iTunes to run, Time Machine backups, and be able to lot your home's device types so that it can grab SW and OS updates once and then allow your home server to administer them locally instead of each device grabbing them from the internet independently.

I meant a self contained way to ensure against write and/or read permissions being assigned to more than one simultaneous client.
 

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Ok so I should look past the Mac Pro benchmarks indicating a 12 core Xeon E5-2697 V2 (server CPU)?
http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/11/estimating-mac-pro-performance/

Or maybe ignore intel's page listing several servers using the same chip (including the Dell T620)?
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/benchmarks/server/xeon-e5-2600-v2/xeon-e5-2600-v2-summary.html

The Mac Pro does use a server class Xeon on the high end.


Just for kicks, you can even find the same Xeon server class chips in laptops:
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/eurocom_launches_laptop_with_12_core_intel_xeon_e5_2697_v2_cpu.html

You are misunderstanding g what you're reading. There are two version of each of these chips, you are looking at the server versions.
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It's not a server but uses server class CPUs and can run OS X Server. No reason for Apple to hold back, the Dell PowerEdge T620 starts at $1,199.00 and goes up from there based on configuration (a lot more than 200 configurations BTW)

Dell PowerEdge T620 Pricing:
http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t620/pd?~ck=anav

You don't need server chips to run a server. The Mac Mini is a very popular server for cruise ships, hotels and casinos. It doesn't use server chips.
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You are misunderstanding g what you're reading. There are two version of each of these chips, you are looking at the server versions.

Server and workstation chips and chipsets. The chips a very similar, but not quite the same. The chipsets are quite different, particularly concerning memory.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/server-chipsets/server-workstation-chipsets.html
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 The chips a very similar, but not quite the same. The chipsets are quite different, particularly concerning memory.
 

I don't understand his method of disambiguation. There are chips used in micro-servers that that are virtually identical to those in the imac. They are branded E3. Both E5-1600 and E5-2600 show up in servers. There are i7 versions of the E5-1600 variants. They are branded i7 Ivy Bridge E, yet use the same LGA2011 socket. It's a strange place to draw a line.

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It's a very silly movie, and I used to reference it more often, such as suggesting there was a minimum number of tattoos required to work at the place where I went for a haircut. Perhaps you'll get that joke once you see the movie.

Sorry, too silly for my taste. Doesn't matter, was only €4. I did give it a try, even though I knew from the traffic jam this movie was going nowhere. I did think the secretary with that high, fast-paced voice was funny. Then came that woman from Friends, so I gave up. Thanks though.
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