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Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.

You should be on a talent show with those kind of backpedalling skills.

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post #202 of 216
Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post
Didn't the itc ruled that apple infringed samsung frand patents and have the 3gs/4 banned?

 

No.

 

Kinda throws the water on your fire, huh.

 
By getting its country president to veto it.

 

If you want to bring politics into it, we can certainly give you the beating of a lifetime. Keep pretending Samsung doesn’t rely on its control of the South Korean government to keep existing.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #203 of 216
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Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post
Didn't the itc ruled that apple infringed samsung frand patents and have the 3gs/4 banned?

 

No.

 

Kinda throws the water on your fire, huh.

 
By getting its country president to veto it.

 

If you want to bring politics into it, we can certainly give you the beating of a lifetime. Keep pretending Samsung doesn’t rely on its control of the South Korean government to keep existing.


Maybe you have been living under a rock but the rest of the world didn't.

www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/08/03/president-obama-vetoes-itc-ban-on-iphone-ipads-apple-happy-samsung-not/
post #204 of 216
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This is so laughable. I owned something and I want to sell it at a price. If you don't like then don't buy it. Why apple give stupid excuses? Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S. Can I take one home for free since I don't like the higher price charged? A thief is still a thief.

What are you talking about? Your argument is laughable. I'm pretty sure Samsung is also using tech under FRAND that someone else is licensing to them that they couldn't do without. I wonder what your argument would be if somebody pulled this sleazy nonsense on them, after all they are profiting more than ALL other Android companies combined. Shouldn't they pay an exorbitant price for those licenses?. You're clueless. Another bit of advice, just because you repeat the same points over & over again doesn't make them true.

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Show me where android stole anything from ios?

Apple sued for slide to unlock and it has been shown that was prior art.

Voice search, rectangular design and grid of icons have been around since ages ago way before apple.

Do you have the rights to say someone is stealing when they are using something that aren't yours to begin with.

Do you know how long Apple has been around? Voice search was around before Apple?

post #206 of 216
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Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.txt&topic=Origins&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date

 

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Busy_Being_Born.txt&topic=User%20Interface&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium

 

I think I called them Desktop accessories in a previous post they were called desktop ornaments (which became widgets)

 

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&topic=User%20Interface&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium


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post #207 of 216
Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post
Maybe you have been living under a rock but the rest of the world didn't.

 

Because they did not actually infringe on anything. Someone’s been polishing his rocks.

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post #208 of 216
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Show me where android stole anything from ios?

 

Android as copied the original iPhone OS design and concept, just look at the pre-iPhone Android 1.0 to see how much they took the iPhone as an inspiration.  Before the iPhone, every smartphone was looking like Blackberrys, at that time, Android was a blackberry killer with a physical keyboard, the iPhone make them change their mind. 

 

After all, Android is merely a skin over a Java runtime environment, like most first gen smartphone. 

 

samsung-phones-before-and-after-iphone-was-launched.png 

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Android as copied the original iPhone OS design and concept, just look at the pre-iPhone Android 1.0 to see how much they took the iPhone as an inspiration.  Before the iPhone, every smartphone was looking like Blackberrys, at that time, Android was a blackberry killer with a physical keyboard, the iPhone make them change their mind. 

 

After all, Android is merely a skin over a Java runtime environment, like most first gen smartphone. 

 

 

I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).

 

Anyway,  if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story.  Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone.  The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700.  Maybe apple copied this design.

 

http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices

 

 

And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java.   Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone.   You are talking nonsense.

post #210 of 216
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I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).

Anyway,  if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story.  Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone.  The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700.  Maybe apple copied this design.

http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices


And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java.   Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone.   You are talking nonsense.

We're not gonna rehash Sammy's theft but: Which company had a "crisis in design" after the iPhone was announced? Which company also had a 120+ page slide deck comparing its designs to the iPhone?
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Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post

I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).

Anyway,  if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story.  Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone.  The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700.  Maybe apple copied this design.

http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices


And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java.   Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone.   You are talking nonsense.

We're not gonna rehash Sammy's theft but: Which company had a "crisis in design" after the iPhone was announced? Which company also had a 120+ page slide deck comparing its designs to the iPhone?

What does this prove? I bet somewhere in apple hidden away there are similar documents showing how Johnny Ive design comparison to android when he designed iOS7.

Original iphone was a runaway success. As apple competitors they would have to response to the new competition by dissecting iphone and how to respond. Just like now Apple has to copy the strong points of Android to fight it.
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Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post
What does this prove?

 

That’s just sad.

 
I bet somewhere in apple hidden away there are similar documents showing how Johnny Ive design comparison to android when he designed iOS7.

 

Bet not.

 
Just like now Apple has to copy the strong points of Android to fight it. 

 

lol.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #213 of 216
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What does this prove? I bet somewhere in apple hidden away there are similar documents showing how Johnny Ive design comparison to android when he designed iOS7.

Original iphone was a runaway success. As apple competitors they would have to response to the new competition by dissecting iphone and how to respond. Just like now Apple has to copy the strong points of Android to fight it.

You'll lose that bet. What are the Android "strong" points? Openness? NFC?
post #214 of 216
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Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post
 

 

I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).

 

Anyway,  if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story.  Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone.  The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700.  Maybe apple copied this design.

 

http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices

 

 

And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java.   Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone.   You are talking nonsense.

 

I'm talking about paradigm.  Apple as always smash others paradigms and develops news ones for their product.  Before the iPhone, it was unthinkable to create a phone without physical bouton.  The F700 was still a blackberry oriented design with a full physical keyboard, Appleinsider as already addressed this in a previous article:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/13/apple_blocks_samsung_f700_designers_testimony_calls_it_irrelevant

 

Games and third party apps on Symbian was mostly Java apps: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian

 

Here is the first smartphone I've ever own, what a crappy piece of junk:


Edited by BigMac2 - 1/2/14 at 8:20am
post #215 of 216
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You'll lose that bet. What are the Android "strong" points? Openness? NFC?

IMO one OS is not inherently better than the other for all users, but there are some things Android seems better at than iOS to date (we already know in what ways iOS is better than Android). A few examples would include a far greater range of sharing options, more complete and straightforward access to the file system, multiple user accounts on the same device, actions on notifications. . .
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There are a couple of reasonable people around, we just tend to get shouted over a lot of the time.

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