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Apple on Thursday released the first beta of its upcoming OS X 10.9.2 maintenance update to developers, with the new build coming less than one week after OS X 10.9.1 went out to consumers.

Update: We are receiving reports that FaceTime Audio has been enabled in the OS X 10.9.2 Messages app. Further information will be provided as it comes in.

10.9.2


Hot on the heels of Apple's OS X 10.9.1 release earlier this week, the company has issued the first beta build of a subsequent 10.9.2 update to developers for testing. The build number has been designated 13C32.

According to reader Gregg, Apple is asking developers to focus on Mail, Messages, virtual private network features, graphics drivers and VoiceOver.

Mail appears to be a continuing issue for Mavericks, as a large part of 10.9.1 update was dedicated to fixing issues with the app. Specifically, users were -- and still are -- having trouble with Gmail and Smart Mailboxes. Graphics and VoiceOver were also updated with 10.9.1, though Messages and VPN look to be new areas of focus.

Developers can download the OS X 10.9.2 beta via Software Update or Apple's developer portal.
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1) Their new tool that automatically puts betas into MAS is great.

2) I decided to go ahead and do the install of the Beta even though I hadn't had any issues with Mavericks since before the GM.

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The bug fix that I want is for the Finder to stop switching to my 1st space when I quit an app in the 2nd space (even if I just ran that app from my 2nd space)

Remember that the bug in Lion where the OS (maddeningly) ignored unchecking "reopen all windows at startup" didn't get fixed until 10.7.4.

That was a nightmare for users for about seven months. 

I was recommending that clients and friends not buy macs running 10.7 at the time - that was such a glaring bug, it was like driving a Tesla with a passenger side door that wouldn't open.

Right now I'm holding off on upgrading to Mavericks until the OS no longer (maddeningly) ignores unchecking "enable mirroring" and forgets all my multiple monitor settings at every reboot.

I figure that'll happen around 10.9.4 - about seven months from now (or when all those shiny new Mac Pros get smashed in frustration by high-end multiple monitor users).

Apple really needs to step up software quality control. Since Lion I've personally experienced bugs on a scale previously reserved for Vista and Windows ME. 

Basic stuff goes out broken, but damn it looks nice.
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Shishkebabs!

 

It only seems like yesterday that we had our last update!

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This time around, considering that OSX updates will be free and Apple prefers users be on the latest version, I'll be surprised if there is an update past 10.9.2.  At this point, I'd prefer Apple not focus on "features" for iOS 8 and OSX 10.10, and just work on bug fixes and improve stability / performance and UI refinements.  I like features as much as the next person but if given the choice, I prefer stability / performance first and foremost.  It wouldn't hurt Apple at all if they pulled a "Snow Leopard" for the next OS releases.

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Oh fer the love of Scotty, when are they gonna fix trackpad gestures in Finder. This is driving me crackers!
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This time around, considering that OSX updates will be free and Apple prefers users be on the latest version, I'll be surprised if there is an update past 10.9.2.  At this point, I'd prefer Apple not focus on "features" for iOS 8 and OSX 10.10, and just work on bug fixes and improve stability / performance and UI refinements.  I like features as much as the next person but if given the choice, I prefer stability / performance first and foremost.  It wouldn't hurt Apple at all if they pulled a "Snow Leopard" for the next OS releases.

 

I can 99.99% guarantee you that there will be more than 10.9.2. The dot dot updates are maintenance updates and why Apple would not go past 10.9.2 is just plain silly to think. 

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I can 99.99% guarantee you that there will be more than 10.9.2. The dot dot updates are maintenance updates and why Apple would not go past 10.9.2 is just plain silly to think. 

Unless you have intimate knowledge of Apple's roadmap, you cannot guarantee anything (keyword being guarantee).  What Apple has historically done is not a guarantee of future actions.  Apple is known to change strategy / release schedules.

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Unless you have intimate knowledge of Apple's roadmap, you cannot guarantee anything (keyword being guarantee).  What Apple has historically done is not a guarantee of future actions.  Apple is known to change strategy / release schedules.

 

 

Well for one, Apple has released more than a few maintenance updates to OS X in ALL of its versions of OS X. To think 10.9 won't go past 10.9.2 is just stupid thinking. Why would they not want to fix issues with its OS? They can't release a new OS X every 6 months. This just isn't going to happen. 

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Well for one, Apple has released more than a few maintenance updates to OS X in ALL of its versions of OS X. To think 10.9 won't go past 10.9.2 is just stupid thinking. Why would they not want to fix issues with its OS? They can't release a new OS X every 6 months. This just isn't going to happen. 

"Why would they not want to fix issues with its OS?"

 

Same reason they haven't gone past a couple of maintenance updates for the past couple of iOS releases, they need their engineers working on the lastest version so they can keep their yearly release schedule.  Apple may have a lot of money but they are resource "starved" when it comes to the quality of engineers that they need..

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"Why would they not want to fix issues with its OS?"

 

Same reason they haven't gone past a couple of maintenance updates for the past couple of iOS releases, they need their engineers working on the lastest version so they can keep their yearly release schedule.  Apple may have a lot of money but they are resource "starved" when it comes to the quality of engineers that they need..

 

They've released more than a couple bud...go back and check again. Last I knew, 10.8.5 is more than a couple. Its about average of previous releases. 

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no reason why Os X will not be in maintenance for much longer than 10.9.2

A team will work on bug fixes, others are working on 10.10

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and besides, you are exaggerating bugs.

"That was a nightmare for users for about seven months. "

... just a little hype here...
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Update: We are receiving reports that FaceTime Audio has been enabled in the OS X 10.9.2 Messages app. Further information will be provided as it comes in.

 

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They've released more than a couple bud...go back and check again. Last I knew, 10.8.5 is more than a couple. Its about average of previous releases. 

Read again, I was referring to iOS;

 

"Why would they not want to fix issues with its OS?"

 

Same reason they haven't gone past a couple of maintenance updates for the past couple of iOS releases,"

 

The implication being that Apple will make their OSX releases mirror iOS releases; release every Fall, come out with a couple of maintenance updates, then get hard at work on the next version.

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Read again, I was referring to iOS;

 

"Why would they not want to fix issues with its OS?"

 

Same reason they haven't gone past a couple of maintenance updates for the past couple of iOS releases,"

 

The implication being that Apple will make their OSX releases mirror iOS releases; release every Fall, come out with a couple of maintenance updates, then get hard at work on the next version.

 

I read again and you actually said "This time around, considering that OSX updates will be free and Apple prefers users be on the latest version, I'll be surprised if there is an update past 10.9.2."

 

How is this iOS????

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I read again and you actually said "This time around, considering that OSX updates will be free and Apple prefers users be on the latest version, I'll be surprised if there is an update past 10.9.2."

 

How is this iOS????

You have to follow the entire conversation.  You're referring to my initial reply (post #5) to vaporland.  If you look at my post (#10) which is a reply to your post (#9), then hopefully you'll know what I'm talking about.

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This time around, considering that OSX updates will be free and Apple prefers users be on the latest version, I'll be surprised if there is an update past 10.9.2.  At this point, I'd prefer Apple not focus on "features" for iOS 8 and OSX 10.10, and just work on bug fixes and improve stability / performance and UI refinements.  I like features as much as the next person but if given the choice, I prefer stability / performance first and foremost.  It wouldn't hurt Apple at all if they pulled a "Snow Leopard" for the next OS releases.

I could not agree more. Batten down the hatches and patch all the leaks... Then full steam ahead!
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I could not agree more. Batten down the hatches and patch all the leaks... Then full steam ahead!

Pretty much.  Kind of like what they used to do when they had "major" releases every 2 years.

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Oh fer the love of Scotty, when are they gonna fix trackpad gestures in Finder. This is driving me crackers!

 

 

Ha ha!  I know  :  )  Take some of the programmers off Facial Recognition and put them on the "Many Little Fixes That Aren't Sexy" team. 

 

Writing this on Firefox because Safari is still acting up. 

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This time around, considering that OSX updates will be free and Apple prefers users be on the latest version, I'll be surprised if there is an update past 10.9.2.  At this point, I'd prefer Apple not focus on "features" for iOS 8 and OSX 10.10, and just work on bug fixes and improve stability / performance and UI refinements.  I like features as much as the next person but if given the choice, I prefer stability / performance first and foremost.  It wouldn't hurt Apple at all if they pulled a "Snow Leopard" for the next OS releases.

...because timer coalescing, app nap, safari power saver, HD playback efficiency, compressed memory, UI refinements for calendars and contacts, and improvement on external display handling weren't stability/performance upgrades. Yes, they added some apps and abilities but it was to bring more consistency between mobile and desktop (which I've had zero problems with), but you can't say that mavericks wasn't more focused on stability/performance.

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Shishkebabs!

It only seems like yesterday that we had our last update!

Oh thank god you said that... I thought it was age making things go faster!
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1) Their new tool that automatically puts betas into MAS is great.

2) I decided to go ahead and do the install of the Beta even though I hadn't had any issues with Mavericks since before the GM.

I've kept up with each of them since and has a wild ride.
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Oh thank god you said that... I thought it was age making things go faster!
I've kept up with each of them since and has a wild ride.

The tool didn't work for 10.9.1 betas. Nothing ever showed up. I made a forum comment on developer.apple.com and none of the work arounds worked. I have no idea why but I'm not the only one who had this issue. Oh well, all is good now.

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post #23 of 28

 I love FaceTime audio.  Really cool talking to someone on their iPad while they browse.  Sound quality was surreally good.

 

Can't wait to try it out on my Mac.


Edited by MessagePad2100 - 12/19/13 at 7:06pm
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I can 99.99% guarantee you that there will be more than 10.9.2. The dot dot updates are maintenance updates and why Apple would not go past 10.9.2 is just plain silly to think. 

Yeah, historically Apple has had anywhere from about 4 to maybe 8 or so updates per major release.  I don't know why people think that they only need 1 update. That's just really silly.

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Unless you have intimate knowledge of Apple's roadmap, you cannot guarantee anything (keyword being guarantee).  What Apple has historically done is not a guarantee of future actions.  Apple is known to change strategy / release schedules.

Actually Apple has been on a yearly major OS release schedule and they've been keeping that for the last few years and I don't know if that's going to change.  In order to keep that schedule, they need to focus on what improvements/changes to meet that schedule as best as they can, but they have been consistent with a yearly schedule for several years and that's their current roadmap.  As far as updates, it ranges between 4 and 8 updates per major OS X release.  With Mavericks, it wouldn't surprise me if they had 4 updates, but they try to clean up the most critical things as quickly as possible.


It's impossible for ANY OS developer to test every conceivable scenario since there are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of apps,tons of third party hardware and endless combinations.  At least we don't have tons of driver problems like some of the other OS's have.

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Face time audio - is it only me that thinks that sounds funny. Loss of face, just the audio.
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In 10.9.1 Mail.app still crashes if you do a copy/past on a draft-email. Did a report before 10.9.1, but the problem is still there. Anyone from Apple in here that can read 1wink.gif ??
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My google accounts still do not sync properly. If I delete mail on one computer, it shows up again on another. Sometimes I cannot delete at all for a period of time, and sometimes no mail comes for several hours even though new messages are coming in all the time and showing up on the web mail....
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