I agree about the colors. Still can't believe they didn't come out with a project RED 5c. Seems like it would be a natural, and the true red would be a much more masculine color than pastal blue or green.
Tim Cook has to be considered the most boring dude ever. He has single-handedly made AAPL the most boring company in Silicon Valley. Despite all their great products, gone are the days of "edgy" ads and innovation. Moving forward, AAPL clearly illustrates in their holiday ad, that if you invest in this company, you will end up like the grandma wiping her tears. Better to invest in Exxon at this point. The 5s is awesome, but the failure to roll out the China Mobile deal asap and in step with the 5s is just another missed opportunity by Cook and Co. These guys are showing their age, despite their operational expertise. I have refused to believe that AAPL is finished innovating, but let's face it, SJ is gone and Cook is merely a candle flame compared to SJ's ability to create a firestorm. Look at AAPL's executive page and it's like looking at the Mona Lisa...Get some fresh management and enthusiasm in there Cook, your present leadership is well represented by your holiday commercial...Boring.
The fact that iPhone 5C is the second best phone doesn't mean much. It only says that there are too many contenders for second spot, and the 5C is the better amongst them.
Don't get me wrong, the 5C is a great phone. Even though it is plastic, it feels solid, not like a cheap plastic phone. However, the market is not looking for a great second best phone. I think Apple intentionally positioned the 5C the way they did, to prevent cannibalization, but their anti-cannibalizing strategy is working too well.
Anyone who buys a 5C is instantly advertising himself as having purchased a "cheaper" option. It is not like previous years, where buying an older phone at a lower price was never an issue - it looked exactly the same as the phone did a year ago, so it just gave an impression that you haven't yet upgraded. This year, it is instantly obvious that you have purchased a cheaper phone.
In the category of people who normally opt for Apple products, I think this is a very negative thing. Apple generally targets the higher strata of society, and these people are image conscious. They don't want to be associated with a cheaper product.
For the people who are looking for a cheaper product, the 5C is not at all cheap - it is ridiculously expensive.
I have seen stores in India, that have ample availability of the 5C, and zero availability of the 5S. Every day, a lot of customers enquire for the 5S, and just walk out when they find no stock available. Entreaties of the salesperson that 5C is available make no difference. If this is the case in India, I must say 5C is a flop. This is a phone that was meant to target markets like India - at least that is the feeling everyone has.
We are past the point where people absolutely want the Apple experience, and if they cannot pay full price for the high-end phone, they will pay a slightly lower price for the second best option. Android offers a good enough option today that people don't have to stretch to buy Apple at prices that make no sense.
Apple is neither here nor there in its pricing and positioning of the 5C, and they need to fix one or the other to get it right. If they are smart, they will fix both.
Anyone who buys a 5C is instantly advertising himself as having purchased a "cheaper" option. It is not like previous years, where buying an older phone at a lower price was never an issue…
Right, because you were buying the… cheaper… option.
In the category of people who normally opt for Apple products, I think this is a very negative thing.
We instantly know when you purchase a 13” MacBook Pro, 11” MacBook Air (the MacBook Air at all), etc…
Are people embarrassed by buying a nano over a touch? Come on.
And continue to be wrong.
Originally Posted by asdasd
Originally Posted by asdasd
The color choices Apple made, make one thing clear. The 5C is not targeted at men or women - it is targeted at kids. While women might be OK and like some of the colors, no woman worth anything will be caught dead carrying a phone that is totally mismatched in color with her dress. Neutral colors are one thing, but specific colors are a total no-no.
Kids on the other hand probably don't care for masculine or feminine colors, they just like a color and go with it. They are probably happy just to have a new phone rather than a hand-me-down.
I am not sure if it is your ignorance or your indefatigable craze for Apple that you are advertising here! I will give you the benefit of doubt and grant that you are just crazy about Apple.
The shuffle/nano vs touch serve different purposes, and are suited for different usage patterns. Even a Bill Gates probably will prefer a shuffle while at the gym (compared to the Touch, I mean).
The 5C and 5S aren't like that. Especially compared to years past, where you can never make out whether the 4S you bought last year was a cheaper phone, or just a phone you bought 2 years back and aren't yet eligible to upgrade. This year, you cannot hide behind such things - moment you buy a 5C, everyone knows you got a cheaper phone. And probably made a stupid decision, because it isn't all that cheap either. You are not just advertising your cheapness, you are effectively advertising your stupidity as well.
11" vs 13" Mac Book Air is also similar. Even a 11" MBA can be configured to be more expensive than the low end 13" MBA. 11" MBA is more suitable for a road warrior whose paramount concern is portability. It does not immediately make you look like a cheapskate because you bought the 11" MBA!
Even the Mac Mini is "ideal" for some purposes. If you want a PC connected to your TV, MacMini is perfect, and is effectively an upgrade compared to other options. You don't come off looking as cheap when you buy a Mac Mini.
The 5C however doesn't offer any such walls to hide behind. There is no scenario where the 5C is more suited than buying the 5S - except because it is cheaper.
It’s literally all the same. I’m gobsmacked that you can pretend otherwise.
You keep pretending that half the time is all the time.
No one wants to. No one is trying to. You’re inventing this. Either give actual proof that this is the reason the 5C “isn’t selling” (which it isn’t, isn’t) or stop!
What kind of moron cares what anyone else thinks? If the cared, they’d spend the money on the more expensive phone. If they didn’t, they’d buy what they wanted. Like people are actually doing. I saw a pretty young woman with a red 5C two days ago. Happy as a clam, she was. Made me smile just seeing her on it.
She picked it because it was pretty. Knowing nothing about her, not even her name, I can tell you for a fact that she couldn’t care less that it’s “last year’s phone”, nor that anyone else would see it as such, particularly since she had a matching (perfectly, which was surprising) color bumper case on it (not an Apple case, but really just a bumper-style one).
Ah, so now you’re calling this nice young lady an idiot because she either enjoyed the color or wasn’t rich enough to afford the more expensive one, is that it? Way to go.
Sounds like a great ad campaign for the Android guys to get behind: “You’re stupid for buying what you want.”
“Not the same use case, therefore irrelevant.” Heck, you even say that yourself, following:
So you’re wrong at least somewhere.
The 5C however doesn't offer any such walls to hide behind.
That’s probably because it doesn’t want them.
If you want color, if you prefer the feel of it, if you don’t need or want the ‘latest and greatest’, if you want something for your child as their first foray into serious responsibility toward a complex product but are pragmatic enough not to waste money, if you’d like your device not to be as easily scuffed…
That’s a single minute of thinking; take one as well, maybe?
Originally Posted by asdasd
Originally Posted by asdasd
If this analyst is correct in his numbers, specifically that China Mobile will only sell 15 to 20 Million iPhones in 2014, then it's hardly surprising that this deal isn't getting done quickly. For China Mobile this would be a relatively small deal and they're likely unwilling to make many concessions to Apple in order for minimal gains. They're currently adding approximately 9 million 3G subscribers a month (which includes both new customers and existing customers adding data services). They're adding approximately 5 million new customers each month.
iPhone sales would be to both existing customers and new customers. It's likely that iPhones sales would represent only a small increase in their subscriber base, as both China Unicom and China Telecom already sell iPhones.
Note however that other analysts have optimistically called for sales of as many as 70 million units a year.
Exactly correct. To Chinese, iPhone is a status product and if you will afford a 5C you will afford a 5S, which is a better investment.
But I think Apple will do well with 5C in places like India, Indonesia & Malaysia where (a) Apple has low market share and it is a highly aspirational brand (b) where Chinese smartphones have low market penetration and a poor reputation compared to Western/Japanese brands (even Samsung is second choice there) and (c) people will really like the crazy colorful cases.
I see relatively few 5C is Shanghai, mostly teenage girls with pink or blue.