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yes, I am sure....they are waiting in hopes of getting some of their money back.

What a perfectly reasonable statement¡ 1oyvey.gif

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AAPL is a bore...Cook is a bore...die hard AAPL fans are a bore....Later...going to 3D printing...Perhaps AAPL will do something there.  Until then I'll be on the edge of my seat for the next version of iPhone....yahoo!

So your problem with Apple is that it's stable and successful like a bluechip stock, not volatile like penny stocks. There also seems to be a lot of jealousy on your part from those that were wise enough to invest in Apple who are and continue to see their investments grow.

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post #83 of 104

RCA was a solid company too.

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I have AAPL....hopefully Cook goes back to operations...they are doomed otherwise.  Later...complete waste of time posting here.  Hopefully see you on Upper River or Holiday on a big fat powder day...time much better spent.  Peace out AAPL die hards.  You need a CEO with a pulse though...bottom line.

You really should sell your stock first thing tomorrow because Cook isn't going anywhere. Seriously, Apple is doomed¡ It's the 90's all over again¡ Batten down the hatches and nail large pieces of crocked wood across all the windows. Doomed¡

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RCA was a solid company too.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

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No doubt some of those complaining that Tim Cook is too sedate for them want the best for Apple, as do almost all of us on this thread. But some of these criticisms call to mind the bitching of Boston sportswriters or the Tribes of Israel when Moses was on sabbatical up in the hills. It is the fate of incumbents to be sniped at by one faction or another, no matter how successful they may be.

 

So - I submit - if not Tim Cook, then who? Look at some notable people in the current pool of available talent: Steve Ballmer (!) (as I mentioned earlier), Scott Forstall, Thorsten Heins. Does that give us second thoughts about deposing Tim?

 

It begs the question of Apple's succession plans for the near and long terms. Even when Steve Jobs took extended leaves for medical treatment and Tim was appointed to act in his place, Apple kept its succession plans secret for competitive reasons. You can be darn sure that they have an up-to-date plan in place right now, and about the only thing you can bet on is that Tim is in it for a good while barring untoward events.

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No doubt some of those complaining that Tim Cook is too sedate for them want the best for Apple, as do almost all of us on this thread.

I'm not convinced that is the case.
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Even when Steve Jobs took extended leaves for medical treatment and Tim was appointed to act in his place, Apple kept its succession plans secret for competitive reasons.

And the stock was higher under Cook than it ever was under Jobs so if we use such a weak metric as short term stock price as the only worthwhile measure for success and health of a company then Cook is far outpacing Jobs.
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post #88 of 104

BB is going back to it roots: Big Governments and big businesses.  If they can get back the business that they once had; it will again be as big as Apple is now without having to do any manufacturing anything themselves; just the service business on there messaging service.  Before it decided not to sell it business; the messaging service was valued at $12 billion dollar U.S, alone!

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I'm not convinced that is the case..

I said "almost all" but you have a point. "Most" might be better.
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And the stock was higher under Cook than it ever was under Jobs so we use such a weak metric as short term stock price as the only worthwhile metric for success and health of a company then Cook is far outpacing Jobs.

Exactly. Per the three-year record I posted earlier.

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BB is going back to it roots: Big Governments and big businesses.  If they can get back the business that they once had; it will again be as big as Apple is now...just the service business on there[sic] messaging service.

Rhetorical question, what can Blackberry's messaging service offer which can't be done by Android, iOS or even Windows Mobile?
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[Rhetorical question, what can Blackberry's messaging service offer which can't be done by Android, iOS or even Windows Mobile?

Put the messages on a server in an 'unpopular' country¿
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Rhetorical question, what can Blackberry's messaging service offer which can't be done by Android, iOS or even Windows Mobile?

Trust and security!  Other then the NSA; nobody has been able to crack the Blackberry security!  It been rumor that the NSA spend over 90,000 hours with it powerful state of the edge parallel computer system to crack the encryption.   A computer that is over 20,000 times more powerful then any supercomputer in the world today!

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Trust and security!  Other then the NSA; nobody has been able to crack the Blackberry security!  It been rumor that the NSA spend over 90,000 hours with it powerful state of the edge parallel computer system to crack the encryption.   A computer that is over 20,000 times more powerful then any supercomputer in the world today!

Just like iMessage
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Just like iMessage

Not like iMessage!  U.S. Secret Service will not let anyone important use anything other then a Blackberry!

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Just like iMessage
Not like iMessage!  U.S. Secret Service will not let anyone important use anything other then a Blackberry!

I meant for the unbreakable encryption, not who authorises what.
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Originally Posted by Harry Wild View Post
 

Trust and security!  Other then the NSA; nobody has been able to crack the Blackberry security!

 

 the NSA isn't alone in breaking Blackberry security:

 documents leaked by Snowden are some that indicate the NSA, and its U.K. counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), can access text messages and emails sent between BES users
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The two agencies have been targeting messages sent via BlackBerry’s platform since before May 2009, when they ran into temporary difficulties that U.K. analysts later traced to a change in BlackBerry’s messaging protocol following its acquisition of a smaller company. By March 2010, they were once again able to access the information, Der Spiegel said, citing GCHQ documents marked “UK Secret".

 

- Snowden leaks show UK and US spies have cracked BlackBerry's BES encryption

BlackBerry Enterprise Server vulnerable to dangerous TIFFs

BlackBerry outage floors many BES enterprise services​

 

So I pose the rhetorical question once again, what does Blackberry provide you can't get with other systems?

 
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So I pose the rhetorical question once again, what does Blackberry provide you can't get with other systems?

Nostalgia for a bygone era of pre-smartphne messaging phones? Allows the user to feel unique like a snowflake by choosing something no one else wants? 1tongue.gif

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post #98 of 104
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yes, I am sure....they are waiting in hopes of getting some of their money back.

 

Yeah, I'm so bummed that I bought Apple stock when it was $13 a share, then it split.  I may not be great at math, but I'm fairly sure I've made a good deal of money on that buy.

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you are in a nice position for sure...did you buy at $680 too?

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you are in a nice position for sure...did you buy at $680 too?

 

Nope.  But I would have no problem doing that.

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Rhetorical question, what can Blackberry's messaging service offer which can't be done by Android, iOS or even Windows Mobile?

 

Nothing, given that BB has released an App based version for iOS and Android,

 

Windows mobile? Don't know, don't care.

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post #102 of 104
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Trust and security!  Other then the NSA; nobody has been able to crack the Blackberry security!  It been rumor that the NSA spend over 90,000 hours with it powerful state of the edge parallel computer system to crack the encryption.   A computer that is over 20,000 times more powerful then any supercomputer in the world today!

You should write romance books, the truth is much more down to earth:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2082720/report-on-nsa-secret-payments-to-rsa-fuels-encryption-controversy.html 

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Blackberrys certainly don't deserve the credit of being the smartphone before smartphones when they were preceded to market by equivalents from Nokia (Communicator range), Ericsson/Sony Ericsson (R380, p800) and Handspring/Palm (Treo).

I'd go as far as to say the only innovation the Blackberrys brought to market were the BES secure messaging features, otherwise the Treo and Nokia Communicators were already more capable devices than the Blackberrys.

Here's odd news: Now that Nokia has shed it's Lumia line in a sell-off to Microsoft they're still going to build smartphones... and their own Android-based flavor??
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Here's odd news: Now that Nokia has shed it's Lumia line in a sell-off to Microsoft they're still going to build smartphones... and their own Android-based flavor??

Do you think they have a chance in a Samsung-dominated Android market? They might be able to get a foothold in parts of Europe that don't have iPhone subsidies -and- are still loyal to Nokia but I'm not sure even so sure of that, nor do I think that will be enough to keep them in the black. I wish them luck but it seems pretty bleak with Samsung's current Android dominance.

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