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And when was that or are you going to play semantics where you shift the definition of modern laptop to meaning a "modern laptop made by Apple"  

The silly picture from DED shows the Air and Pro. At the time of release the Air was neither thinner or lighter than other laptops that preceded it.  Thinkpads predated the ibook by 7 years,  Sony's X505 from 2004 is lighter than Apple's (2008+) Air and only slightly thicker. Both devices look like a laptop to me.

And, from memory, Apple had to withdraw the claim that the Air was the thinnest laptop ever after someone noticed that a Toshiba laptop which had been released years earlier held the crown.

So what's the "modern laptop" era?

I think you misremembered the "thinnest" claim. Sure a discontinued Sharp was thinner but the MBA was thinner at its thickest point compared to this. Fact is the MBA ushered in the ultra book computers.
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Originally Posted by hungover View Post

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And when was that or are you going to play semantics where you shift the definition of modern laptop to meaning a "modern laptop made by Apple"  

The silly picture from DED shows the Air and Pro. At the time of release the Air was neither thinner or lighter than other laptops that preceded it.  Thinkpads predated the ibook by 7 years,  Sony's X505 from 2004 is lighter than Apple's (2008+) Air and only slightly thicker. Both devices look like a laptop to me.

And, from memory, Apple had to withdraw the claim that the Air was the thinnest laptop ever after someone noticed that a Toshiba laptop which had been released years earlier held the crown.

Do you remember the X505? That wasn't exactly a great machine for typing. I don't see how anyone can discredit what Apple has brought to the market. Wasn't it Apple that got Intel to put into product the SFF CULV that made the MBA and every other Ultrabook that eventually followed suit? Wasn't it Apple that made advancements in how notebooks are made that forced others to copy them like metal casings and chicklet-style keyboards, and now IPS and HiDPI displays? Sure, these all existed before Apple did them but that's like saying Henry Ford didn't really create anything because automobiles and the assembly line existed in some form, yet I'd say that Ford and Apple are both responsible for the revolutions in their respective industries.
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Originally Posted by hungover View Post

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It’s a shame you can’t do any research for yourself.

 
Thinkpads predated the ibook by 7 years,  Sony's X505 from 2004 is lighter than Apple's (2008+) Air and only slightly thicker. Both devices look like a laptop to me.

 

Further, boyo.

 
And, from memory

 

That’s right, dredge that sucker up. You’ll see what I’m talking about.

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Consumers get their cut.

Google Search at no additional charge. And Google Maps. And Navigation. And G-Mail. And YouTube. And Translate. And Image Search. And News. And Earth. And Finance. And Scholar. And Patent Search. And Alerts. And Shopping. And Blog Search. And Trends. And Docs. And Drive.

Nearly every internet visitor can find things of value somewhere in that list. Who else provides anywhere near this level of services, even for a subscription charge? Further who else even has the expertise and engineering to do so? And in return for services of value you see a few ads. Not even targeted ones if you wish to opt out.

Ads. That's it.

All spyware. I'd rather have them cut me a check. Who owns the content that is uploaded to YouTube & what rights to they have?

 

"Who else provides anywhere near this level of services, even for a subscription charge?"

 

Apple. iTunes, Safari, Mail, iBooks, iPhoto, Garageband, iMovie, Calendar, Address book, Font Book, Photo Booth, iMessage, Maps, iCloud & iCloud services, Reminders, iOS & a free OS upgrade for Macs last time around.

Come to think of it you could add Microsoft to that list of a company that provides services & apps.


Edited by Splif - 12/30/13 at 9:44pm
post #245 of 257
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Yes they do. The cut is added to the final selling price.

So why can't a developer do simple math & factor that into their price? In other words charge what they want to make after the 30% fee. Part of selling a product is to also figure out what your profit margin needs to be.

post #246 of 257
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So why can't a developer do simple math & factor that into their price? In other words charge what they want to make after the 30% fee. Part of selling a product is to also figure out what your profit margin needs to be.

How does one figure out the profit margin of a digital good? A physical good has a real production costs that you can put your finger on and price it to get a specific profit margin but the profit margin on a digital good keeps growing after the production cost is reached and every time it's purchased and downloaded.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
A physical good has a real production costs that you can put your finger on

 

So does a digital good. How could you possibly think otherwise? Are you splitting distribution and production costs?

 
…the profit margin on a digital good keeps growing after the production cost is reached and every time it’s purchased and downloaded.


Increased volume of downloads requires increased activity on servers, meaning more electricity, etc.

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post #248 of 257
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So does a digital good. How could you possibly think otherwise? Are you splitting distribution and production costs?


Increased volume of downloads requires increased activity on servers, meaning more electricity, etc.

Normally I wouldn't split the production and distribution costs, but in the case of an app the production cost goes to the dev and the distribution cost goes to Apple which recovers that cost in the 30% cut. A app that never sells only has a production cost.
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post #249 of 257
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How does one figure out the profit margin of a digital good? A physical good has a real production costs that you can put your finger on and price it to get a specific profit margin but the profit margin on a digital good keeps growing after the production cost is reached and every time it's purchased and downloaded.

Now this is just getting stupid & seems more like a protect my argument at all costs situation.

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Now this is just getting stupid & seems more like a protect my argument at all costs situation.

How am I wrong? It's completely asinine to compare physical goods with digital ones.
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post #251 of 257
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


How am I wrong? It's completely asinine to compare physical goods with digital ones.

Why?

post #252 of 257
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Why?

A physical good has to be produced over and over, shipped, stocked, and sold. A digital good is produced once, stored on a server, and copied a infinite amount of times. No waiting on line, or no waiting for the UPS guy. You can buy a app 24/7/365.
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post #253 of 257
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post
 
 
Apple made money for content providers, musicians, App developers, accessory makers, advertisers, oh, and lots of component suppliers.

Apple also made money for Google and Microsoft.

 

 

And I feel that is the correct way to strengthen an economy... Create a service or a product and earn money... Not by gambling on predictions and betting on how good a CEO or a company will perform... I have always disdain for the stock market... It is nothing but a casino in my opinion...

post #254 of 257
It would be good to have a list of all the so called 'experts', who fouled up with references to their errors. It is possible that some of them, if not incredibly stupid an ill informed, were in the pay of vested interests, attempting to influence consumer's choices or to manipulate market share prices for their or others gain. (is that illegal??) Name them again.
post #255 of 257
You know what tho? They do bash Apple like always, but the media bashes EVERYBODY nowadays. I don't think we notice as much tho 1wink.gif

They (critics) sit there on their high horse and go this sucks that sucks, they are shit, they only sold 35 million when someone said it should have been 45 million, blah blah, the media can only do one thing and that is primarily preach doom and gloom....
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post #256 of 257
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View PostAnd what I mean by fashion is making stuff people lust after. Yeah there might be a cheaper alternative but it's Apple's product people want because it looks beautiful, expensive classy, etc.

 

An idea that Apple has never pursued before, I'm sure.

post #257 of 257
There's been a lot of negative Concerning Apple Mostly unfounded that's been happening for years . Over Christmas My partner had friends over and this one particular person walked into the room I was sitting in and said Apple was rubbish , he was told that I was into Apple products and that's why he made a statement to get a reaction, and he got one After heated discussion I realise he never picked up an Apple product
So I handed over my iPhone for him to try out after five minutes he wanted to buy one

The point I'm making some people hate for the sake of hating
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