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why would a corporation (security paranoid) want google tracking your every click  on chrome books

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Gruber won't just parrot some blog or analyst's numbers as fact.

When talking about Chromebooks, he's just saying that pretty soon we should start seeing them appear in Web usage stats. Pretty logical if you ask me.

Gruber posted a link earlier tonight from StatCounter.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-daily-20131101-20131229

You have to download the CSV file to see ChromeOS

ChromeOS is at 0.1% right now
post #44 of 210
So now MacBooks are being crushed by Chromebooks?

No way.

Another report claiming things we all know to be false.

Bet on Apple.
post #45 of 210

I believe you will find that NPD is a firm that provides services to various companies.  Samsung happens to be one of their customers.  Look at all of their reports and you will find statistics that support Samsung, irrespective of any hard facts that can be verified.  I wish we could go back to the days that information was accurate and unbiased.

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As Chromebooks are (if I understand correctly) nearly completely dependent on the cloud, it's not surprising they'd not be seen in the wild. Absent someone using their phone as a wi-fi hotspot, or visiting a venue with wi-fi, Chromebooks would be stranded. I expect you might see more of them in homes and offices equipped with wi-fi.

Ummm, in case you haven't noticed wifi is ubiquitous!!!! And in the rest of the world (non-US) our iPhone hotspot functionality is not disabled by greedy carrier agreements.

post #47 of 210

This is such a BS report from NPD. It does not include Apple store sales, Apple corporate team / account sales, nor BYOD, rendering the whole report meaningless.

post #48 of 210

Yes, but in many of those cases I need to remember to save music to my computer and consciously manage that. iCloud allows my content to be everywhere, but does not require an internet connection once the content is there and it all happens without me having to think about it.  That's just one for instance.  Question: If I have a spreadsheet online and get somewhere with no Internet connection, can I view and edit that spreadsheet if I did not save a copy locally?  In looking at the Google Drive app reviews, it does not appear so (or at least is not the default) but I could be wrong.

post #49 of 210

It's not ubiquitous. Try turning on a microwave. WiFi shuts off because it runs in the same narrow spectrum (2.4Ghz) unless you are using 5 Ghz range. Here's another one... try using WiFi or cellular data at a concert. Guess what? Too much RF and overloaded cell towers can take it down in  a hurry.  I'm traveling to NAMM (National Association of Music Manufacturers) in Anaheim, CA at the end of January. They NEVER have any Internet that works. Why? 500,000 people and twice as many electronic devices make any network non-functional.

 

For mission critical operations, you cannot depending on WiFi always being there.

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Here's the deal with Chromebooks: If you use the computer for web surfing, email, spreadsheets, word processing, social media, media viewing, or the things that mobile computers are used for 99% of the time, a Chromebook is just fine. If you need to run a specific piece of software that requires a windows or OSx computer, then you need a Windows or OSx computer.

My son had been pushing me to get a Chromebook Pixel for months,...

 

I don't understand why the Chromebook Pixel even exists.  This may sound like an Android/PC price/spec fanboy, but in this case the comparison is so extreme... for $200 more than a MacBook Air 13", you're getting 32GB of storage (versus 128GB for the MBA), half the battery life, an older i5 and lesser graphics all in a package that can't run any common software.  I just don't understand why one wouldn't just save that $200 and buy a MBA which allows so much more usage.

 

I guess I'm not so alone as it's not really the Pixel that's selling, but rather the lower end (starting under $200) that are selling such high numbers.

 

At least with those low-end Chromebooks, I can see them selling for the same reason why netbooks sold, it's an impulse purchase that draws people in because it's so cheap.  Later, they'll discover that they aren't as useful as they'd hope they'd be.

 

I believe the NPD numbers are somewhat accurate.  They may be off, but clearly a buttload of Chromebooks were dumped on consumers during this time period.  You can see this by looking closely at Amazon.  There are too many comments from buyers with histories to have this be anything but a large number of actual sales.

 

However, I'd be shocked to also see usage stats mirror the sales.  Usage is going to trail waaaaay behind. 

post #51 of 210
I'm sick of all this cheap trash google brings out. In a few months chromebooks will be Netbooks 2.0. My wish is Apple roll out a search engine to go head to head with Google and charge low rates for ads to erode Googles ad profits
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I don't understand why the Chromebook Pixel even exists.  This may sound like an Android/PC price/spec fanboy, but in this case the comparison is so extreme... for $200 more than a MacBook Air 13", you're getting 32GB of storage (versus 128GB for the MBA), half the battery life, an older i5 and lesser graphics all in a package that can't run any common software.  I just don't understand why one wouldn't just save that $200 and buy a MBA which allows so much more usage.

I guess I'm not so alone as it's not really the Pixel that's selling, but rather the lower end (starting under $200) that are selling such high numbers.

At least with those low-end Chromebooks, I can see them selling for the same reason why netbooks sold, it's an impulse purchase that draws people in because it's so cheap.  Later, they'll discover that they aren't as useful as they'd hope they'd be.

I believe the NPD numbers are somewhat accurate.  They may be off, but clearly a buttload of Chromebooks were dumped on consumers during this time period.  You can see this by looking closely at Amazon.  There are too many comments from buyers with histories to have this be anything but a large number of actual sales.

However, I'd be shocked to also see usage stats mirror the sales.  Usage is going to trail waaaaay behind. 

I think chromebook pixel is one of the worst new products of 2013. It's basically a net book that cost $1500. But it does come with 100mb of data for two years LoL. It's such a loser product I don't even know where start. When I read the first reviews I laughed out loud how pathetic the specs were for a $2000 device.
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I don't understand why the Chromebook Pixel even exists.  This may sound like an Android/PC price/spec fanboy, but in this case the comparison is so extreme... for $200 more than a MacBook Air 13", you're getting 32GB of storage (versus 128GB for the MBA), half the battery life, an older i5 and lesser graphics all in a package that can't run any common software.  I just don't understand why one wouldn't just save that $200 and buy a MBA which allows so much more usage.

 

I guess I'm not so alone as it's not really the Pixel that's selling, but rather the lower end (starting under $200) that are selling such high numbers.

 

At least with those low-end Chromebooks, I can see them selling for the same reason why netbooks sold, it's an impulse purchase that draws people in because it's so cheap.  Later, they'll discover that they aren't as useful as they'd hope they'd be.

 

I believe the NPD numbers are somewhat accurate.  They may be off, but clearly a buttload of Chromebooks were dumped on consumers during this time period.  You can see this by looking closely at Amazon.  There are too many comments from buyers with histories to have this be anything but a large number of actual sales.

 

However, I'd be shocked to also see usage stats mirror the sales.  Usage is going to trail waaaaay behind. 

You also get $1500 worth of google drive storage, which some people care about. A lot. So, don't be so quick to judge.

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I think chromebook pixel is one of the worst new products of 2013. It's basically a net book that cost $1500. But it does come with 100mb of data for two years LoL. It's such a loser product I don't even know where start. When I read the first reviews I laughed out loud how pathetic the specs were for a $2000 device.

 

Think of it as the (free!) bonus for getting three years of terabyte of google drive. If you don't care about the cloud storage, well, then maybe it is not for you, but otherwise, the pricing (negative) is hard to beat (and by the way, I do have a terabyte of google drive, and I don't have a chromebook).

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I'm sick of all this cheap trash google brings out. In a few months chromebooks will be Netbooks 2.0. My wish is Apple roll out a search engine to go head to head with Google and charge low rates for ads to erode Googles ad profits

Apple knows what it is good at, and is sticking to that (the little maps hiccup notwithstanding).

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Originally Posted by marubeni View Post
You also get $1500 worth of google drive storage, which some people care about. A lot.

 

Well, no companies, no inventors, no one doing any business whatsoever… That narrows it down a bit. Private citizens, but who knows or cares enough to want $1500 worth free, and what private citizen doing nothing of any worth would then want that space?

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Ummm, in case you haven't noticed wifi is ubiquitous!!!! And in the rest of the world (non-US) our iPhone hotspot functionality is not disabled by greedy carrier agreements.

 

My iPhone(s) function perfectly well as hotspots in the US. Have the greedy carriers been neutralized?

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In other news, toilet paper outsold engineering text books by 100 to 1

 

Most people find TP far more useful.

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You also get $1500 worth of google drive storage, which some people care about. A lot. So, don't be so quick to judge.

Who the hell needs 1 terabyte of cloud storage yet is satisfied with having only a pathetic 64gb of local storage? Plus no way in hell am I handing over google 1 Tb of info to data mine.

I guess in an absolute sense any product could be usefully for someone with very specific needs. But would'nt it be cheaper to set up your own cloud server with multiple terabyte drives?
post #61 of 210
Years after netbooks were declared dead, people have totally forgotten their failings and in fact have regressed even further to the crap that is a "Chromebook."

Cheap, slow, browser- and Google-dependent gimmicks, some of which don't even have a Delete key. These are not real computers.

The computing market is just another reflection of how ignorant people have become.
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My iPhone(s) function perfectly well as hotspots in the US. Have the greedy carriers been neutralized?

If you are using AT&T or Verizon you will get charged a fee for hotspoting. Tmobile allows 2gb of hotspoting with their unlimited plan
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Originally Posted by OscarG View Post
Cheap, slow, browser- and Google-dependent gimmicks, some of which don't even have a Delete key. These are not real computers.

 

At least some netbooks could run Office and iTunes. :lol:

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Who the hell needs 1 terabyte of cloud storage yet is satisfied with having only a pathetic 64gb of local storage? Plus no way in hell am I handing over google 1 Tb of info to data mine.

I guess in an absolute sense any product could be usefully for someone with very specific needs. But would'nt it be cheaper to set up your own cloud server with multiple terabyte drives?

 

Well, if you have 1TB of cloud storage, you don't need as much local storage (unless you are in the dropbox model, where all your data is locally cached on all your machines, which is fine, if you have a lot of money to spend on local drives). As for the rest, do you really think you have 1TB worth of mineable data? I know I don't, but I certainly have a lot of experimental data, spreadsheets, calendars, etc, which I like being able to share with my coworkers. As for it being cheaper to set up, etc, depends what you want. Google does have useful tools, and your data really is available 24/7 pretty much around the globe. Now, this might not matter, or it might. I personally don't believe it matters to enough people to make a huge difference in Pixel sales, all that I am saying is that the Pixel is a very good deal for some people. 

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why would a corporation (security paranoid) want google tracking your every click  on chrome books

  Completely.  I can't conceive they have any traction at all at the corporate level, especially with how our lack of net privacy has been such a news topic this year.  I don't believe there's no place for them a certain niche but it can't possibly include mid level to major businesses.  I haven't been in an office this year that would consider Chromebooks for that reason, much less that was actually using any.

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If you are using AT&T or Verizon you will get charged a fee for hotspoting. Tmobile allows 2gb of hotspoting with their unlimited plan

 

I have AT&T, Verizon, AND T-mobile. On the first two I have shared data plans, so no extra fees. On T-mobile, as you say, no fee either, though accessibility is a little sketchy at times. I was in Europe (Germany) for a while at the end of 2011 and hot spotting was a huge pain (performance sucked, prices were high, availability was low). So, I would say, the US situation is quite good.

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  Completely.  I can't conceive they have any traction at all at the corporate level, especially with how our lack of net privacy has been such a news topic this year.  I don't believe there's no place for them a certain niche but it can't possibly include mid level to major businesses.  I haven't been in an office this year that would consider Chromebooks for that reason, much less that was actually using any.

 

Given that NSA already reads all our mail, why do you care that Google does too? I am guessing Google is less evil and more competent (though admittedly, those are low bars to clear).

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I've only seen 2 chromebooks out and about. One was at my work place in IT where they were testing/doing a trial with it to see if it was with it. It was discarded after a week or so and business continued as usual. The other is my niece's. The high school she goes to provided it to her. She only uses it when she has to (which is for not very much). She says it is wretched, hard to use device and a waste of money. She does all her work on a MacBook Air and an ipad her parents provided for her.

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I've only seen 2 chromebooks out and about. One was at my work place in IT where they were testing/doing a trial with it to see if it was with it. It was discarded after a week or so and business continued as usual. The other is my niece's. The high school she goes to provided it to her. She only uses it when she has to (which is for not very much). She says it is wretched, hard to use device and a waste of money. She does all her work on a MacBook Air and an ipad her parents provided for her.

 

Interesting, but

 

1. I assume your niece's chrome book is not a Pixel but some $200 piece of junk (since it is supplied by the school).

2. Though I wish they could, my guess is that most people cannot afford a MacBook Air and an iPad for their high school -age progeny.

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The Chromebook is a netbook and should be counted in that category. I guess it's good for those whom it suits. I know people who have given up their desktop computers in favor of iPads, which I see everywhere. I've yet to see one Chromebook outside of a store, nor have I seen one person outside myself curiously looking at one. If it suits you then buy one. I can't do high-end audio on it so it is useless to me.
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I'm not buying any of this. I've never even seen one (Chromebook) in use, corporate, personal, anywhere. I just question where these numbers are coming from. Somebody that wants to see Apple stock dip again no doubt.
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Interesting, but

1. I assume your niece's chrome book is not a Pixel but some $200 piece of junk (since it is supplied by the school).
2. Though I wish they could, my guess is that most people cannot afford a MacBook Air and an iPad for their high school -age progeny.

1. Yes. That is the case.
2. I am aware of this. My aunt and uncle are very well off (high 6 digit income).

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1. Yes. That is the case.
2. I am aware of this. My aunt and uncle are very well off (high 6 digit income).
That said my wife taught at a high school that had a program that gives each student an ipad to keep throughout their years there. They also get to take it with them after they graduate. It's a private school though and it's included in tuition. They've done this for 3 years now with good success. The school as a result is able to have a smaller student to PC ratio and overall has reduced costs.

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post #74 of 210
I doubt these stats are talking specifically about the pricey Chromebook Pixel. There's a lot of cheaply built Chromebooks out there.
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I remember when the first iPhone was introduced and Steve Jobs wanted it to run web apps and everyone said it was a horrible idea.  So Apple opened up and allowed native apps and the iPhone ecosystem was born.  So now, suddenly everyone wants Chromebooks with web apps?  I'm fairly certain people are buying Chromebooks for their low price and not much else.  I'm sure Chromebooks have a good purpose if that's all you need but I find it hard to believe that web apps on Chromebooks are going to have huge appeal unless the computer industry has changed drastically.  Although I'm connected 24/7 to the internet I'd still prefer my native apps to get stuff done if my internet connection somehow does get severed as unlikely as that may be.  I can easily afford more than a Chromebook so I have no need to ever get such a low-end computing solution.  I certainly do see schools purchasing them because they're really cheap devices and they can get more computers and stay within their limited budgets.

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I remember when the first iPhone was introduced and Steve Jobs wanted it to run web apps and everyone said it was a horrible idea.  So Apple opened up and allowed native apps and the iPhone ecosystem was born.  So now, suddenly everyone wants Chromebooks with web apps?  I'm fairly certain people are buying Chromebooks for their low price and not much else.  I'm sure Chromebooks have a good purpose if that's all you need but I find it hard to believe that web apps on Chromebooks are going to have huge appeal unless the computer industry has changed drastically.  Although I'm connected 24/7 to the internet I'd still prefer my native apps to get stuff done if my internet connection somehow does get severed as unlikely as that may be.  I can easily afford more than a Chromebook so I have no need to ever get such a low-end computing solution.  I certainly do see schools purchasing them because they're really cheap devices and they can get more computers and stay within their limited budgets.

 

Notice that there is another huge benefit if you are running a school: you control EXACTLY what is installed on the machine. 

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I doubt these stats are talking specifically about the pricey Chromebook Pixel. There's a lot of cheaply built Chromebooks out there.

Of course. The only point is that any blanket statement about chrome books is likely to be false, so there has to be some nuance to the discussion (fat chance, and yet one must try...)

post #78 of 210
I'll echo what the others are saying. These numbers are very odd. It's not that I've seen only a few, I haven't seen even one. Where are they? Maybe Google has tens of thousands of them running as bots in a large building in Silicon Valley.
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I'll echo what the others are saying. These numbers are very odd. It's not that I've seen only a few, I haven't seen even one. Where are they? Maybe Google has tens of thousands of them running as bots in a large building in Silicon Valley.

If I read it correctly NPD says these are actual device sales so it can't be like the suggestion that Android tablet numbers being propped up flash drive installations for TV adapter.


PS: I wonder if that's where Google got the idea for Chromecast.

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Here's the deal with Chromebooks: If you use the computer for web surfing, email, spreadsheets, word processing, social media, media viewing, or the things that mobile computers are used for 99% of the time, a Chromebook is just fine. If you need to run a specific piece of software that requires a windows or OSx computer, then you need a Windows or OSx computer.

My son had been pushing me to get a Chromebook Pixel for months, but I kept saying that I needed a computer that could run Windows apps. Finally he talked my wife into getting me the Chromebook Pixel for my birthday, and I have been using it daily since then. In the end I haven't yet found a legitimate case where I couldn't do what I wanted to do with the Chromebook. There is software that I don't run on my notebook, like PCB design or solidworks, but I wouldn't run that on a small notebook even if it was running Windows. In addition, just like a MAC, you can run windows or Linux on a Chromebook (at least on the Pixel), so you can run all Windows or Linux software.

As a sidenote; The Chromebook Pixel has the highest resolution display available on a notebook anywhere close to it's size (2560 x 1600), a touchscreen, and the best build quality I have ever seen on any notebook (including my family's several new Macbooks).

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