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While Apple's new American-mac Mac Pro desktop is backordered on the company's retail store until at least February, one of its brick-and-mortar retail partners says it currently shipping out a limited supply of both standard retail configurations. [Update: all have sold out]

Apple's all-new Mac Pro


Best Buy tells AppleInsider that it's able to ship out the following two retail configurations from its online store in one business day, while supplies last. Alternatively, the electronics retailer will ship the Mac to your local Best Buy retail store for on-site pickup within 5-7 business days:

Mac Pro QC 3.7GHz/12GB/256_SSD/D300 - $2,999.99 SOLD OUT
Mac Pro 6C 3.5GHz/16GB/256_SSD/D500 - $3,999.99 SOLD OUT

The current availability of the Mac Pro at Best Buy is rare given that the desktops are backordered everywhere else -- including Apple's own online store -- until at least February. There have also been recent reports indicating that the Mac maker won't have enough supply to stock its own retail stores until March, which is around the same time it's also quoting for new custom configured versions of the professional desktop.

First previewed in June, the new Mac Pro (hands-on) sports a radical new 9.9-inch by 6.6-inch cylindrical design that's crammed with state-of-the-art hardware technology.





Available in nearly 200 configurations, the new Mac Pro has also been touted for its environmental efficiency and domestic pedigree, with assembly taking place exclusively in Apple's newly-equipped Austin, Tex. manufacturing facility. And a recent in-depth analysis by AppleInsider found that despite its seemingly steep price tag, the new Mac Pro actually provides exceptional value that's much greater than the sum of its parts.

Meanwhile, teardowns of some of the first units to roll off the assembly lines found the units to be easily disassembled, offering great potential for repairs and upgrades. In particular, one teardown revealed socketed, removable Intel CPU that appears as if it could also be easy for users to upgrade on their own.

For a list of some of the other most popular Mac Pro configurations that are currently available for pre-order, check out our Apple Price Guides.
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Love them or hate them, this is proper marketing from BB.
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That makes it sound like a cheeseburger.
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All that's left is the 6-core model. Check that, I went back to confirm the model and it also shows as being out of stock so AI might as well delete this article.
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I want one indeed, but I don't need one. :p

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"Available in nearly 200 configurations..."

This is the third time Apple Insider makes this claim, as if the more you say it, the more true it becomes. It only has a possible 144 configurations. (4 processors x 4 memory x 3 storage x 3 graphics).

Is this just sloppy journalism or spinning the facts?
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I want one indeed, but I don't need one. :p

Half the shit people buy they don't "need".  Don't let something like that stop ya!


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Squeelllll!!

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"Available in nearly 200 configurations..."

This is the third time Apple Insider makes this claim, as if the more you say it, the more true it becomes. It only has a possible 144 configurations. (4 processors x 4 memory x 3 storage x 3 graphics).

Is this just sloppy journalism or spinning the facts?

 

I think their just a little confused / sloppy.  The way they (incorrectly) came to that number is that the $3000 model comes in 144 configurations, and the $4000 model has 54 configurations (which equals 198)  What they fail to realize, is that every possible configuration can be made from the base model.

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"Available in nearly 200 configurations..."

This is the third time Apple Insider makes this claim, as if the more you say it, the more true it becomes. It only has a possible 144 configurations. (4 processors x 4 memory x 3 storage x 3 graphics).

Is this just sloppy journalism or spinning the facts?

144 is nearly (closer to) 200….compared to the relatively small number of standard configurations. :D

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I want one indeed, but I don't need one. 1tongue.gif

Need can be subjective, you just have to work on it . 1smile.gif
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Half the shit people buy they don't "need".  Don't let something like that stop ya!
well said!!!!
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That makes it sound like a cheeseburger.

In France they call the Mac Pro a Royale with Cheese.

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Half the shit people buy they don't "need".  Don't let something like that stop ya!

Half? What we need really depends on how far you define "need" but for the basics of life what we need compared to what we want is a rounding error. We need fuel to live. That means various nutrients in the form of base elements that we inefficiently obtain from other living creatures. But do we really need to be alive, and if we do, to what end? If that end result is to procreate per some biological race to dominate this marble then do we really need to be alive if can't procreate or have completed our cycle? I suppose society creates complex structures of need within it's definition and could even be so minor as it would harm the balance of society more to euthanize the elderly or invalid even if, on paper, it would make for a more efficient species. That certainly didn't work out for the Spartans. So, anyway, my point is that we all need a Mac Pro. I also need a Bugatti Veyron, my own Leer Jet, to marry a supermodel, and have at least one of every Iron Man suit ever imagined. 1tongue.gif

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That makes it sound like a cheeseburger.

I actually ordered one of those american - Macs. I really hope it lasts longer than a cheeseburger. 1wink.gif
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I want one indeed, but I don't need one. 1tongue.gif

There is so much that people don't need but they still buy them (me included).

If you want something and if you have the spare money..........

What keeps you waiting?

I say enjoy your live as long as it lasts.
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That makes it sound like a cheeseburger.

Pretty sure that's a typo for American-made, but you probably knew that.
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Nice little treat for whomever read AppleInsider this AM and wanted a Pro ASAP. Call it a perk for being an Apple power user and a reader of AppleInsider.

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I have a feeling the nMP is going to sell very well. Regardless of what certain "pro" users think of it.
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They had one on display on the Apple section (store inside store) of Yodobashi Camera in Osaka Japan a few days ago. Looked really nice. And small. You have to see one in real life to appreciate the size and configuration.

I only had a minute to look at it as my son was agitating to go home to where we are staying with grandma, but I want to take another look next time I get in there.
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I have a feeling the nMP is going to sell very well. Regardless of what certain "pro" users think of it.

I have to agree, the nMP is a huge step forward in workstation design. I actually think Apple will have issues keeping up. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a mid 2014 refresh that offers up more flash storage and other possible improvements.

As to those "pros", there are still people whining about their ability to run software for their original 68000 based Mac. This machine is a very shrewder move for Apple.
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Sorry Apple. Give me a souped up MacMini, consumer CPU and consumer GPU, don't want a screen. I'll be very happy to plonk my money on the table.
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Well, it was nice while it lasted.

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Well, it was nice while it lasted.

I'm surprised there weren't any comments (that I read) about the Mac Pro and Apple must suck if it's being sold at a Best Buy.

Edit: I see you mean something else.
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Exactly how high is the demand for the Mac Pro? It would seem that Apple is simply taking too much time to build each one, as usual. Are we talking 10,000 or 100,000 Mac Pro units being available? Has Apple ever mentioned any production rates or sales figures for this new Mac Pro?
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Exactly how high is the demand for the Mac Pro? It would seem that Apple is simply taking too much time to build each one, as usual. Are we talking 10,000 or 100,000 Mac Pro units being available? Has Apple ever mentioned any production rates or sales figures for this new Mac Pro?

Numbers have never been broken down, but the guestimates are 100k a year I believe. Marvin, as usual, has better info.
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Exactly how high is the demand for the Mac Pro? It would seem that Apple is simply taking too much time to build each one, as usual. Are we talking 10,000 or 100,000 Mac Pro units being available? Has Apple ever mentioned any production rates or sales figures for this new Mac Pro?

How have determined "too much time to build each one"? Your addendum of "as usual" implies your allotted timeframe is so to keep demand less than the ability to produce a unit which then means Apple's allowed timeframe, in your opinion, would vary depending on consumer interest with no regard to the model itself. The issue is therefore allowing Apple to speed up and slow down production by cutting corners simply to meet demand, but you have to wonder if Apple would have demand if they made their products with such a shoddy and irrational goal in mind. I don't think they would even exist today if they did that.

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Apple. Is going to sell a lot of the Mac Pros. I wish I could afford one.
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Numbers have never been broken down, but the guestimates are 100k a year I believe. Marvin, as usual, has better info.

We know that the iMac makes up at least 1m units per quarter from what Tim said (700,000 units down when not available for approx 2 months out of 3 in a quarter), this would make the iMac at least 4 million out of the 4.656m desktops they reported in their 2012 10K filing. This leaves around 700k for both the Mini and Pro per year. I would say the Mini would take a slightly higher share but the Mac Pro is likely somewhere between 200-350k per year or 50-90k per quarter. There was a report suggesting Apple held a 22% workstation share out of a 900k units per quarter market so that suggests more like 200k per quarter but that was a while back.

I could certainly believe that this model would ship over 200,000 units over a full quarter. I actually wonder if they were overly cautious about it. They knew what the demand was like before so they might have only prepared enough units to meet that lower demand. You have to remember that even overestimating the units by 150k for a $2999 machine, that's nearly $0.5b that has to sit in stock and it would be more than that as it's not just the entry model.

It also makes sense that their supply chain would be designed for the average demand rather than peak so that they aren't wasting resources when demand dies down. Once they know the demand over the incoming year, they can adjust accordingly as they have done with their other products.

They announced it in June so they had 5 full months to build them. If they expected a demand of 50k per quarter, that would be about 16k per month capacity so in 5 months, they'd be able to make just over 80k units. If their demand now is 200k units per quarter then that stock should last just over 1 month but obviously the orders come right on the first day because nobody has any patience these days. But by the end of the quarter, they should have another 50k units, maybe more as they can assess which models people prefer. It usually takes about 1-2 months for them to get their supply chain optimal. Given that they pushed back a lot of orders to February, they may have allowed for just over 100k units initially.
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I think their just a little confused / sloppy.  The way they (incorrectly) came to that number is that the $3000 model comes in 144 configurations, and the $4000 model has 54 configurations (which equals 198)  What they fail to realize, is that every possible configuration can be made from the base model.
Yeah that's what I figured out and did to avoid paying an extra $100 for a fourth 4GB stick since I'll be pulling the 3 base sticks to put in four 16GB sticks for only $680 more thanks to that $100 saved by building my loaded six core MacPro from the base config. 1wink.gif1biggrin.gif

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Yeah that's what I figured out and did to avoid paying an extra $100 for a fourth 4GB stick since I'll be pulling the 3 base sticks to put in four 16GB sticks for only $680 more thanks to that $100 saved by building my loaded six core MacPro from the base config. 1wink.gif1biggrin.gif

But then you don't get those nifty, black RAM sticks. 1biggrin.gif

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That makes it sound like a cheeseburger.
You know what they call it in France?
Mac Royale with cheese.
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We know that the iMac makes up at least 1m units per quarter from what Tim said (700,000 units down when not available for approx 2 months out of 3 in a quarter), this would make the iMac at least 4 million out of the 4.656m desktops they reported in their 2012 10K filing. This leaves around 700k for both the Mini and Pro per year. I would say the Mini would take a slightly higher share but the Mac Pro is likely somewhere between 200-350k per year or 50-90k per quarter. There was a report suggesting Apple held a 22% workstation share out of a 900k units per quarter market so that suggests more like 200k per quarter but that was a while back.

I could certainly believe that this model would ship over 200,000 units over a full quarter. I actually wonder if they were overly cautious about it. They knew what the demand was like before so they might have only prepared enough units to meet that lower demand. You have to remember that even overestimating the units by 150k for a $2999 machine, that's nearly $0.5b that has to sit in stock and it would be more than that as it's not just the entry model.

It also makes sense that their supply chain would be designed for the average demand rather than peak so that they aren't wasting resources when demand dies down. Once they know the demand over the incoming year, they can adjust accordingly as they have done with their other products.

They announced it in June so they had 5 full months to build them. If they expected a demand of 50k per quarter, that would be about 16k per month capacity so in 5 months, they'd be able to make just over 80k units. If their demand now is 200k units per quarter then that stock should last just over 1 month but obviously the orders come right on the first day because nobody has any patience these days. But by the end of the quarter, they should have another 50k units, maybe more as they can assess which models people prefer. It usually takes about 1-2 months for them to get their supply chain optimal. Given that they pushed back a lot of orders to February, they may have allowed for just over 100k units initially.

Ah, thank you Marvin. That is a well founded and reasoned post. I think they really should build more models of new products before putting them in the Store. Not just this product, with new manufacturer process and all, but the iMac last year as well. With iPhones I can understand they don't create a large stock before selling them; they really need a quick time to market for such a high demand product. But releasing the MP with just 100k produced seems silly. They could've waited till April-ish for their release and meet demand better. It's not like the competition had anything to gain by their slower TTM. And it was already a long wait for the new model to arrive, a few more months wouldn't suddenly make that disappear or forgotten.

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Mac Royale with cheese.

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What state is the new Mac Pro made in? Thanks

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What state is the new Mac Pro made in? Thanks

It got canned¡
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I have to agree, the nMP is a huge step forward in workstation design. I actually think Apple will have issues keeping up. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a mid 2014 refresh that offers up more flash storage and other possible improvements.

As to those "pros", there are still people whining about their ability to run software for their original 68000 based Mac. This machine is a very shrewder move for Apple.
It's getting harder for the "pros" to criticize, especially now that we're finding out how upgradable this machine really is.

The nMP reminds me of the 5C in a way. Most of the reviews of the 5C were positive, and I haven't read or seen many instances were owners were disappointed with the device. Most of the complaints have come from people who never had any intention of buying it. So far I'm seeing the same with the nMP.
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What state is the new Mac Pro made in? Thanks

Austin, Texas.

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Sounds like they publicly committed themselves to release by the end of 2013 and then ran into production problems.  This reduced the amount of inventory that they could go live with.

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What is the actual holdup on delivery? I've heard the processor's from Intel are in very short supply, or is it the ramp-up of the new manufacturing facility?
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Where's that troll who's always talking about intel chip codenames and how Apple's margins are too high?

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