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Apple's primarily male Board of Directors is under the microscope, as critics contend that the iPhone maker should do more to diversify its governing body beyond white men.

Andrea Jung
Andrea Jung is currently the only female member of Apple's board. Photo via Makers.com.


The company recently made a small tweak to its corporate charter vowing to diversify its board, following criticism from shareholders Trillium Asset Management LLC and the Sustainability Group, according to Bloomberg. Specifically, the groups have taken issue with the fact that only one woman, former Avon CEO Andrea Jung, serves on Apple's board.

The two groups reportedly met with Apple representatives a number of times in the past few months, and were planning to bring their concerns to the company's Feb. 28 shareholder meeting for a potential vote. Those plans were nixed, however, after Apple revised its corporate charter to say it would consider women and minorities as board candidates.

"The nominating committee is committed to actively seeking out highly qualified women and individuals from minority groups to include in the pool from which board nominees are chosen," the new language in the company charter reads.

Outside of Jung, the entirety of Apple's board of directors are all white men, including Chief Executive Tim Cook, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, board chairman Arthur D. Levinson. Remaining members of the board are Intuit Chairman Bill Campbell, J. Crew Chief Executive Millard Drexler, Walt Disney Company CEO Robert A. Iger, and former CEO of Northrop Grumman Ronald D. Sugar.

Ahrendts
Angela Ahrendts will become Apple's SVP of Retail and Online Stores in 2014. | Source: The Times UK


Of course, a lack of diversity among Apple's top brass is not a situation unique to the Cupertino, Calif., device maker. Bloomberg noted that just 17 percent of Fortune 500 board seats are held by women, while 15 percent of chief executives are female.

Apple will officially add a woman to its executive team this year, when Angela Ahrendts takes over the company's newly created position of Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores. The new role will make Ahrendts the only woman in a senior leadership position at Apple, joining the likes of other senior vice presidents Jony Ive, Eddy Cue, Craig Federighi, and Phil Schiller.
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No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

 

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense.

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post #3 of 176
Those who can't, complain. Loudly.
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"No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

 

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense."  – Tallest-Skii

 

 

Zactly. Well said.

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I hope this sideshow stuff isn't diverting Tim Cook from what he really needs to be focused on. And I hope this doesn't cause him to make some token hire or board placement just to appease some group.
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I don't know, Apple have even been known to have had a back stabbing, two faced, IP stealing, 'in need of thermo nuclear treatment' type once in a while. That seems pretty diverse to me.
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Who cares!!!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense.
Heh, and Apple was just downgraded to sell by some boutique firm because they don't think Foxconn workers get paid enough. I get the feeling this will be a rough week for Apple stock, especially with CES happening and all the hype that goes with it.
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Why don't women and racial minorities create their own Apple Inc. and hire one or two white guys? How is diversity served by hiring a handful of glamorous, over-privileged, wealthy white women? It just makes you feel tired all over.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.



 



AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense.


 



+1000. Amen. Nobody cares about who's on Apple's board. You make decisions on the best available talent at the time, not to fill arbitrary checkboxes based on race and gender.
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No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick.

"The company recently made a small tweak to its corporate charter vowing to diversify its board..."

Apple gives a flying frick. 1hmm.gif
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This Fast Company profile on Angela Aherndts is much more interesting.

http://www.fastcompany.com/3023591/angela-ahrendts-a-new-season-at-apple
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Only people who are all too well off and have too much time at hand come up with criticism as that. Too bad they got a forum here at all.
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No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

 

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense.

It's good to see someone who understands so well the challenges of this world.

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"The company recently made a small tweak to its corporate charter vowing to diversify its board..."

Apple gives a flying frick. 1hmm.gif
Hopefully just to pacify this group so they don't make a stink at the shareholders meeting. I want Apple to hire based on the qualifications to do the job, not to fill some race or gender quota. I don't think they hired Angela Ahrendts because she was female but because they felt she was the best person to do the job.
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Can you imagine if they applied this logic to all sports?

Sorry, you can't have an all black basketball team, you must now draft and play at least 1 caucasian, 1 hispanic, 1 eastern european, and one South American. One must also be a woman.

Also, you must have at least 2 players under 5' 7" as having them all taller than that is height discrimination.

Now lets get started on hockey....


PS: your last, well every President of the US, has been a male, so next election we are mandating that it must be a woman of minority that is obese.
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If I am not mistaken, Bloomberg has only one woman on its Board. And how many times have we seen an AppleInsider article written by a woman?

 

As the saying goes, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" 

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The comments here? #everydaysexism

The idea that Apple can't find qualified board members who aren't white males is ridiculous.

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The comments here? #everydaysexism


The idea that Apple can't find qualified board members who aren't white males is ridiculous.
It's not that they can't, it's that they shouldn't be forced to. Same nonsense with Twitter. Anyone with half a brain knows Apple is neither sexist nor racist. They hire who they feel was most qualified for the job, that's how it should be.
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The comments here? #everydaysexism

The idea that Apple can't find qualified board members who aren't white males is ridiculous.

 

Yeeah! We had to wait post 18 to have a sensible comment.

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And short people, and people with speech impediments, and lactose intolerant people, and people with peculiar surnames, and left handed people and people who use Wintel computers, and children, oh the children....

Good God, people, grow up.
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Originally Posted by reroll View Post
It's good to see someone who understands so well the challenges of this world.

 

If you’re going to spew BS, at least just do it bluntly so we can get it out in the open.

 

Originally Posted by Satorical View Post
The idea that Apple can't find qualified board members who aren't white males is ridiculous.

 

Thanks for the strawmen. Oops, sorry, “strawwomen.” :no: 

 

Originally Posted by reroll View Post
Yeeah! We had to wait post 18 to have a sensible comment.


Or maybe you’re just wrong.

Originally Posted by helia

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Originally Posted by helia

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

 

If you’re going to spew BS, at least just do it bluntly so we can get it out in the open.

 

 

Thanks for the strawmen. Oops, sorry, “strawwomen.” :no: 

 


Or maybe you’re just wrong.

 

I can rephrase if you want : "I wish I were like you, able to tell right from wrong without any doubt".

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It's good to see someone who understands so well the challenges of this world.

I agree with you reroll on this. No one is suggesting to add minorities or women to just fill a spot. 

 

The comments above are a bit short-sighted and simplistic. It's a lot more complex subject than the comments above indicate.

 

Whenever there are only men in charge there are always major problems....For example the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts of America, Islam, the NFL, Congress, BB, HP, MS, Sony, Dell, Salem, US Navy (Tailhook), US Air Force (Academy), AMA (too many cesarean sections/hysterectomies), Wall Street, US Health Insurance industry, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea, etc., etc.


Edited by christopher126 - 1/6/14 at 6:56am
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If, in looking at their qualifications, any of the board members are unqualified then you may have something to talk about here. Otherwise, it shouldn't matter if they are black, green, purple, female... or white males. To tell someone they shouldn't be on the board because of their race and gender... isn't that the same thing you are complaining about?

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Who cares!!!

 

The politically correct crowd, that’s who. It’s all about appearances, not performance or competence. But then boards of directors are typically window dressing anyway so why not. In Apple’s case we also have that Intuit-tard Bill Campbell.

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There are only Caucasian men and women on the Sustainability Group board and administrators. Where is the diversification of that board? Are there no African American men and women qualified to sit on that board? How about Latinos? Koreans? Indians? Chinese? Is there an honest effort being made to add anyone other than white males and females on the board and as administrators? I only ask since the firm threw the first stone by responding to another Bloomberg witch hunt of Apple.
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I agree with you reroll on this. No one is suggesting to add minorities or women to just fill a spot. 

 

The comments above are a bit short-sighted and simplistic. It's a lot more complex subject than the comments above indicate.

 

Whenever there are only men in charge there are always major problems....For example the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts of America, Islam, the NFL, Congress, BB, HP, MS, Sony, Dell, US Navy (Tailhook), US Air Force (Academy), AMA (too many cesarean sections/hysterectomies), Wall Street, US Health Insurance industry, China, Syria, Egypt, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea, etc., etc.

 

Gimme a break. That’s retarded and over the top misandry.

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Gimme a break. That’s retarded and over the top misandry.

Retarded? Think about it a little more. :)

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Retarded? Think about it a little more. :)

 

Okay, not only retarded but stupid to boot.

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Okay, not only retarded but stupid to boot.

 

In you a lot of anger I feel.

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Okay, not only retarded but stupid to boot.

You need to read more! 


Edited by christopher126 - 1/6/14 at 6:06pm
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The politically correct crowd, that’s who. It’s all about appearances, not performance or competence. But then boards of directors are typically window dressing anyway so why not. In Apple’s case we also have that Intuit-tard Bill Campbell.

Don't forget Al Gore. We could replace these two if any" ignorant stockholders" force Apple's hand.
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No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

 

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense.

 

 

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"No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

 

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense."  – Tallest-Skii

 

 

Zactly. Well said.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

No one with any intelligence whatsoever gives a flying frick. Apple isn’t going to hire “minorities” to fill some magical quota. They’ll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be.

 

 

 

AI, don’t perpetuate this nonsense.

 



+1000. Amen. Nobody cares about who's on Apple's board. You make decisions on the best available talent at the time, not to fill arbitrary checkboxes based on race and gender.

 

I am with the above. Call me naive, but I feel that all this focus on diversity does more harm than good. It is a "feel good" move to specifically hire someone based on color/gender.

 

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Yeeah! We had to wait post 18 to have a sensible comment.

 

By your comment, I am guessing you think specifically hiring based on color/gender is a good thing? May I ask why? I honestly don't know why anyone would think this way, but am open to learning/understanding why.

 

Disclaimer: I am a white, English speaking, college educated, male. So I know I have no first-hand experience. However, if I was ever offered a job to fill some checklist? I would take offense.

 

To me, it is those that claim to want equality that keep these issues going, all the while not looking for equality at all, but looking for special treatment. If we truly want to get beyond these issues, we will look beyond uncontrollable factors such as color/gender/sexual orientation. These things do not define a person. Their character and qualifications should be what does.


Edited by starbird73 - 1/6/14 at 7:24am
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I see Trillium get involved in religious organizations. I wonder what there track record is like with equal rights for women there?

http://www.trilliuminvest.com/socially-responsible-investment-company/
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The politically correct crowd, that’s who. It’s all about appearances, not performance or competence. But then boards of directors are typically window dressing anyway so why not. In Apple’s case we also have that Intuit-tard Bill Campbell.

What are you talking about? I love him in Bubba Ho-Tep! Oh, no, that was BRUCE Campbell...never mind...

Okay, then let's swap out Bill for Bruce - I think Bruce would be a great addition to the Board.

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In you a lot of anger I feel.

 

Not easy to control when somebody (you and christopher126) concoct some outrageous, male hating nonsense to explain things. There are plenty of companies and countries headed by females that are in trouble. Argentina and Yahoo come to mind right off the bat. Are you two really that delusional to think males running things always makes for trouble? 

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If Cook is that concerned about diversity he could always replace Al Gore on the board. What are his qualifications anyway?
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Quote from another poster: "They'll hire who can do the job, whoever that may be." Such complete and utter innocence is almost touching.

Years ago, when I was studying to be an EMT, I ran into a woman who'd moved to Seattle from California because it was impossible, she said, for her as a white woman to get a EMT position. Ability had nothing to do with it. All the jobs she might have gotten went to minority woman who could fill two quotas with one hire.

That's been going on for a long time and, under Tim Cook, Apple has even put money toward expanding the quota categories. Where it has not been happening are corporate boards and the upper executive ranks, which remain dominated by not merely white males but white males with a particular lineage. Apple's been a particularly vile offender in that regard. It's unspoken motto has been "Diversity and quotas for you but not for me."

That makes no sense. The talent of the EMT that responds to my car accident is a life or death situation. If he or she isn't the best and brightest, I could die. In contrast, almost nothing the board at Apple or any other major business does matters. And an Apple board that includes Al Gore Jr. among its ranks can't really claim to be choosing the best and brightest. It was a political choice, one that, with the Clintonian faction out of power and the Obamaian faction in power, has gone very ill for the company.

Setting firm and inviolate quotas for the corporate upper ranks does something else that matters a lot. It means--at least according to contemporary dogmas about race, sex, etc.--that there's then no reason to mess with quotas for lesser positions. Those can be given out based on talent and experience.

Which is more important, filling a few highly paid but mostly ceremonial positions based on quotas or having quotas throughout an entire company, disrupting morale and productivity? I'd argue for the latter. I want the EMT that attends to me to be the absolute best. I could care less about the department's senior paper shufflers.

For the record, I oppose quotas and favor decisions always being made on talent and experience. I simply believe that, if quotas, goals and targets exist at all, they should be imposed first and foremost from the top down rather than from the bottom up. And they should be imposed with particular vigor on those who talk the most about diversity but practice it the least. Words should not be allowed to substitute for actions.
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Apple chooses people based on their abilities and that's the way it should be. Ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation is a non factor.

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