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I don't even know what that means since every person I know who had an Android device ultimately ended up going back to iOS. It doesn't make sense to put a budget system in a car. On a phone people can get buy with it because they aren't spending thousands of dollars on it.

My point is that Android isn't as unstable as it once was, and while iOS has always been pretty stable it is not 100% problem free. While malware is indeed a concern it's not the problem it's been made out to be.
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And how many Androids are on 4.x?
About 75%, give or take
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Don't be distracted by the iOS vs Android issue. The real issue here is that Google is only in one business- gathering and selling information about you. Period. Nothing else matters. They want to know where you go, how often, how much time it takes you, how long you stay, where you go next, etc, etc. That information is extremely valuable to, for example, a supermarket chain evaluating locations for a new store. e.g. How many people within a 10 mile radius drive past this location to get to a competitor's supermarket, how often do they make the trip, what time of day, etc, etc. (They already know what you buy and how much you spend because of that supermarket discount card you scan when check out). You benefit because you may get a supermarket closer to where you live. If you're OK with that, buy one of these cars.
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It isn't open at all. Google is not playing the open game any more. They are even less shy about it now. The problem is Android is constantly in beta. It's hacked to death etc...

Agreed, of course. But they're giving lip service to openness still, using the word six or seven times on that short web page for the Open Auto Alliance.
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Mmmm... I'll be away for a while... I've gotta' root my 201x Audi to update to the latest AndyAuto BumperCar 2.3.4.7 version...

...So I can roll up windows!
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And how many Androids are on 4.x?

I believe it's around 50%, but we are discussing the version these cars will be running and I definitely don't think they'd be installing 2.3 in these cars.

I personally think it's a mistake for the auto makers to align themselves with any one platform, because either way you're going to alienate a sizable group of potential buyers.
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I predict that this offering will have as much success as the Blackberry PlayBook!
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Agreed, of course. But they're giving lip service to openness still, using the word six or seven times on that short web page for the Open Auto Alliance.

They should've went with AAA (Ajar Auto Alliance) lol.gif
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Don't be distracted by the iOS vs Android issue. The real issue here is that Google is only in one business- gathering and selling information about you. Period. Nothing else matters. They want to know where you go, how often, how much time it takes you, how long you stay, where you go next, etc, etc. That information is extremely valuable to, for example, a supermarket chain evaluating locations for a new store. e.g. How many people within a 10 mile radius drive past this location to get to a competitor's supermarket, how often do they make the trip, what time of day, etc, etc. (They already know what you buy and how much you spend because of that supermarket discount card you scan when check out). You benefit because you may get a supermarket closer to where you live. If you're OK with that, buy one of these cars.
Actually this is not how Google works. Data is collected for targeted advertising (the same as Apple's iAd service). Targeting is done in-house and the advertiser never gets to see the collected data (this is the same for both Google's Admob and Apple's iAd). Google is not a data broker meaning data isn't sold at any point (is directly mentioned in the privacy agreement), they use it so their ad service is more accurate. The more accurate the data, the better the targeting and the less the advertiser has to waste money on advertisements that are shown to people outside the target group. With Google in complete control of the data this also means advertisers always have to come back to Google (which wouldn't be the case if they sold data, you can only sell once, not a good business model).
Thought I would clear this up, people often have misconceptions about how Google works.
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post #90 of 128

Isn't OAA really Open Android Alliance?  Seems like it to me.

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I'm in the market for a new car soon because a baby is on the way and every car I've looked at so far seems pretty much the same. I have to admit that, as dumb as this sounds, a major selling piece for me would be iOS in the Car. I am not sure what this news means as far as that's concerned but I hope Apple is still on track for that.

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GM and Honda I can see. But Audi?? Damn, I thought you were classy.. 

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Morons abound in this industry.
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No one is going to have to choose between mobile platforms when purchasing a car mentioned in this article - no one!

 

They do get to choose whether they have a first class citizen experience or a second class citizen experience.  Sharing the same OS across both mobile and car will generate the best experience.  An OSX user on a Windows network can tell you what it feels like.  Most things work.  Some don't.

 

I won't buy a car with Android baked in if I have a choice.  In fact I DON'T want an onboard nav/entertainment system at all.  All I want is the carmaker to provide the backbone power and data at each seat (aka USB ports), a local secure network (wifi) that easily shares a provided hotspot (that I provide) and carries GPS, inertial and car health data that any app on any platform I choose can use and mounted displays that are more crash safe for occupants than strapping an iPad to a headrest that I can easily stream to via airplay. 

 

For that NO android (or iOS) is required is required.  Just an onboard computer with a user facing web server for authentication and configuration.

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Don't be distracted by the iOS vs Android issue. The real issue here is that Google is only in one business- gathering and selling information about you. Period. Nothing else matters. They want to know where you go, how often, how much time it takes you, how long you stay, where you go next, etc, etc. That information is extremely valuable to, for example, a supermarket chain evaluating locations for a new store. e.g. How many people within a 10 mile radius drive past this location to get to a competitor's supermarket, how often do they make the trip, what time of day, etc, etc. (They already know what you buy and how much you spend because of that supermarket discount card you scan when check out). You benefit because you may get a supermarket closer to where you live. If you're OK with that, buy one of these cars.

 

Yep. All of this stuff is tracked anyway though. Buying another brand of car is not going to keep you off the grid or anything.

 

I'm sure this system will integrate fine with iOS and other mainstream mobile devices, just in the interest of more data for Google -- they have no benefit excluding other systems. Integration should be simple, as there are already audio standards for live streaming, and anything else can work through an application and/or a service running on the mobile device (like setting up Navigation as you walk out to the car, then moving it to the on board system).

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No, that's the percentage of devices that accessed Google Play the last 7 days. Google no longer shows the graph like they used to where it listed the ACTUAL percentage of ALL devices that exist. Of course, when Google talks about activations they still like to list ALL devices since that represents a much bigger number.

 

Even when using their "revised" numbers Google is still all over the place.

 

- 18.6% running some version of ICS (Google no longer separates the ICS versions).

- 37.4% running the 1st version of Jelly Bean released on July 2012.

- 12.9% on the 2nd version of Jelly Bean released on November 2012.

- 4.2% on the 3rd version of Jelly Bean released on July 2013.

- Only 1.1% on Kit Kat released on September 2013.

 

What's funny is seeing Apple use a similar chart with the "last 7 day" metric to poke fun at Google. Using Google's "revised" method we find:

 

- 78% of iPhones are on iOS 7 released on September 2013.

 

 

Kit Kat and iOS 7 released in the same month. One version is on 1.1% of devices, the other is on 78%. Pathetic.

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People getting riled up over nothing. As I posted before, nobody is going to run Android in their car. What they will do is make sure Android devices can properly integrate with your car to provide a seamless experience from your mobile device to the car. Same thing with iOS.

 

Look at GM, for example. They have already committed to iOS In The Car. They also just announced their own App Store for HMTL Apps to run on their in-dash system along with OnStar. And now they are working with the OAA. Seems pretty clear GM wants to play nice with everyone, and not tie themselves down to one system. They will use their own OS and add middleware to allow it to work with whatever device you have.

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And if Apple sold chicken soup, Google would announce an Open Soup Alliance. The alliance would have a clause that says members cannot sell soups not approved by Google. To prevent any members from competing against Google with their own soup recipes.

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Auto manufacturers are likely to prefer to give their customers the option of whatever type of integration they prefer -- whether iOS, Android, etc. None of the partnerships appear to be "exclusive," and I doubt any automaker would agree to that, as they would immediately lose a certain segment of the market.
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What's funny is seeing Apple use a similar chart with the "last 7 day" metric to poke fun at Google. Using Google's "revised" method we find:

 

- 78% of iPhones are on iOS 7 released on September 2013.

 

 

Kit Kat and iOS 7 released in the same month. One version is on 1.1% of devices, the other is on 78%. Pathetic.

 

That should be tempered with a healthy dose of "who cares?" Remember how much you loved your iPhone in July of 2012? With that old iOS running on it? I was on ICS for three years and longed for nothing. My kids are on iOS 7, and my wife couldn't care less, happy on iOS 6 with no desire to update.

 

Then there's the question: wth does this have to do with Android embedded in an Audi?

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This is marketing fluff.  Remember WAP?  It was a stripped down version of websites that can be displayed on phones before the iPhone.    

 

Remember the Motorola's iTunes phone?  I think Apple will buy a car company or just build its own cars.

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People getting riled up over nothing. As I posted before, nobody is going to run Android in their car. What they will do is make sure Android devices can properly integrate with your car to provide a seamless experience from your mobile device to the car. Same thing with iOS.

Look at GM, for example. They have already committed to iOS In The Car. They also just announced their own App Store for HMTL Apps to run on their in-dash system along with OnStar. And now they are working with the OAA. Seems pretty clear GM wants to play nice with everyone, and not tie themselves down to one system. They will use their own OS and add middleware to allow it to work with whatever device you have.

Is middleware long for app? I agree with you. It's best to allow multiple platforms to work. How many households have a mixed bag of devices?
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They do get to choose whether they have a first class citizen experience or a second class citizen experience.  Sharing the same OS across both mobile and car will generate the best experience.  An OSX user on a Windows network can tell you what it feels like.  Most things work.  Some don't.

 

I won't buy a car with Android baked in if I have a choice.  In fact I DON'T want an onboard nav/entertainment system at all.  All I want is the carmaker to provide the backbone power and data at each seat (aka USB ports), a local secure network (wifi) that easily shares a provided hotspot (that I provide) and carries GPS, inertial and car health data that any app on any platform I choose can use and mounted displays that are more crash safe for occupants than strapping an iPad to a headrest that I can easily stream to via airplay. 

 

For that NO android (or iOS) is required is required.  Just an onboard computer with a user facing web server for authentication and configuration.

 

 

Good luck with that - seriously!

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- 78% of iPhones are on iOS 7 released on September 2013.


Kit Kat and iOS 7 released in the same month. One version is on 1.1% of devices, the other is on 78%. Pathetic.

Not that it matters all that much but Kit Kat wasn't even announced until Oct. 31st and became available several days later. Yeah, not that many devices on the very latest version yet, a few million really. Google rolled it out to the devices that fell under their control within a month or so while other manufacturers are a little less prompt (!) at taking care of the ones they build.

Of course actual OS upgrades aren't as important as they once were since many of the improved features get updated on a regular basis via Google Play Services. Still nice to have the latest and Apple certainly does so thru control of their own iPhones/iPads unlike Google who licenses the OS and can only directly update Nexus devices.
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The next big thing on market would be, "Antivirus Program" for your cars!

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People getting riled up over nothing. As I posted before, nobody is going to run Android in their car. What they will do is make sure Android devices can properly integrate with your car to provide a seamless experience from your mobile device to the car. Same thing with iOS.

 

Look at GM, for example. They have already committed to iOS In The Car. They also just announced their own App Store for HMTL Apps to run on their in-dash system along with OnStar. And now they are working with the OAA. Seems pretty clear GM wants to play nice with everyone, and not tie themselves down to one system. They will use their own OS and add middleware to allow it to work with whatever device you have.

 

You are correct, people are getting riled up over nothing. There are cars running both Windows and Android systems (not together) that play nicely with IOS. Admittedly, on the Android side, the tech is still young but is constantly being updated. With this new alliance, the integration issues will get better if not disappear altogether.

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This is an idiot move by Audi.  Without Apple integration they will be look at like a cheap car brand.

 

 

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F**K that! I won't buy any car running freaking google android! Don't need that shit. Not now ... not ever!

 

ROFLAMO

 

 

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I'll join the ranks of those who will not buy from those vendors that integrate with Android.  It's not a protest thing; it's that I simply cannot have confidence in an automaker that exhibits such an error in design and engineering judgement.

 

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I'm very happy about this announcement, I am in the market for a car this year, and this helps me identify the car brands I will not be buying from.

Shows what some of you know, this is not an argument just pointing out some fact you do know the VW group sells cars under  consists AudiBentleyBugattiLamborghiniPorscheSEATŠkoda and Volkswagen marques; motorcycles under the Ducati. Audi is  a BIG BIG european car maker if people think partnering with Google is a mistake then please look at the long list of cars the VW group makes. 

 

It amazes me how people are quick to knock a product/company because it not running with Apple tech. Audi is just like Apple in the car industry a "Luxury brand" in Europe anyway and just look at the other brands the VW group make. Teaming up with google will not be a bad thing as i'm sure Apple will be supported. People need to stop being ignorant and open there eyes to me tech and car industry. 

 

Please guys open your eyes to the world.

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Actually this is not how Google works. Data is collected for targeted advertising (the same as Apple's iAd service). Targeting is done in-house and the advertiser never gets to see the collected data (this is the same for both Google's Admob and Apple's iAd). Google is not a data broker meaning data isn't sold at any point (is directly mentioned in the privacy agreement), they use it so their ad service is more accurate. The more accurate the data, the better the targeting and the less the advertiser has to waste money on advertisements that are shown to people outside the target group. With Google in complete control of the data this also means advertisers always have to come back to Google (which wouldn't be the case if they sold data, you can only sell once, not a good business model).
Thought I would clear this up, people often have misconceptions about how Google works.

Fair enough, and I didn't mean "you" as in you individually. But there are indeed significant differences between the Google and Apple approaches to your information, to wit: http://mashable.com/2013/02/13/google-play-app-developers-personal-information/

 

It's up to you to decide if you're OK with this or not, but follow the money. Google isn't giving Android away for nothing.

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IMO a couple of posters are commenting by reflex. Android. Bad. Bad Google. Evil.

And people assume Satan is always evil too! Like, not even the benefit of a doubt. What's up with that? Bad Satan. Evil.

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The next big thing on market would be, "Antivirus Program" for your cars!

You joke now, but... Once upon a time, I thought antivirus programs for phones was a ridiculous notion. And yet here is Android, all cute and infected.

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Sure, it's called the PRISM document from Edward Snowden, I'm sure you can "Google it" for yourself.

 

For a guy who continuously promotes all things Google, he sure seems inept at using their main claim to fame.

 

I do not want a "connected" car.

 

I do not want to pay for some sort of data plan so it can "connect".

 

I do not want to pay a phone company so Google can track me and deliver me ads.

 

I'll stick with my dumb Ford which provides no more than a Bluetooth connection and a screen.

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Not that it matters all that much but Kit Kat wasn't even announced until Oct. 31st and became available several days later. Yeah, not that many devices on the very latest version yet, a few million really. Google rolled it out to the devices that fell under their control within a month or so while other manufacturers are a little less prompt (!) at taking care of the ones they build.

Of course actual OS upgrades aren't as important as they once were since many of the improved features get updated on a regular basis via Google Play Services. Still nice to have the latest and Apple certainly does so thru control of their own iPhones/iPads unlike Google who licenses the OS and can only directly update Nexus devices.

 

My Galaxy S4 did not officially get 4.3 until mid December, I won't hold my breath waiting for 4.4, Samsung will probably want to sell me a Galaxy S5 before then, they make their money selling new hardware hence their slackness with updates.

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And people assume Satan is always evil too! Like, not even the benefit of a doubt. What's up with that? Bad Satan. Evil.

Evil doesn’t exist, it's all only perverted good.
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My Galaxy S4 did not officially get 4.3 until mid December, I won't hold my breath waiting for 4.4, Samsung will probably want to sell me a Galaxy S5 before then, they make their money selling new hardware hence their slackness with updates.

Same with Audi and each and every freaking car manufacture who sleeps with Andy's Android t make an extra buck ...

 

Speaking of which .... how much google has offered Audi, in form of anything but cash (obviously 'cause google can hardly pay in US $ hence hiring overseas workers!!)?

 

Hint: users search for Fiat .... we put Audi on TOP of each page!

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 I think Apple will buy a car company or just build its own cars.
Please be Tesla, and please take it international!

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Fair enough, and I didn't mean "you" as in you individually. But there are indeed significant differences between the Google and Apple approaches to your information, to wit: http://mashable.com/2013/02/13/google-play-app-developers-personal-information/

It's up to you to decide if you're OK with this or not, but follow the money. Google isn't giving Android away for nothing.

Indeed everyone has a choice. Regarding your link. This is indeed something Google should revise, but this is something specific to Google Play purchases and has nothing to do with Admob (and the collection and use of data). The reason why developers got this information is because in Google Play the reseller is the developer and not Google, which is different from Apple's App Store system where you buy from Apple.

Personally I'm more worried about (smaller) data brokers, who actually do sell personal information, then I am about Google.
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I'm very happy about this announcement, I am in the market for a car this year, and this helps me identify the car brands I will not be buying from.

 

 

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I wouldn't trust an Android device connected to my car. Sorry. Too much malware on that platform.

 

 

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I'll join the ranks of those who will not buy from those vendors that integrate with Android.  It's not a protest thing; it's that I simply cannot have confidence in an automaker that exhibits such an error in design and engineering judgement.

 

 

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Looks like I may have bought my last Audi.

 

I'm curious what cars you'll all be buying when every car has Android integration, which seems like a pretty likely future at this point.

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There's a difference between supporting Android integration (no problem) and hosting Android on board (which some have issues with).

Couldn't really give a damn myself, as long as it keeps good integration with iOS I don't much mind what OS the car has.

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There's a difference between supporting Android integration (no problem) and hosting Android on board (which some have issues with).

Couldn't really give a damn myself, as long as it keeps good integration with iOS I don't much mind what OS the car has.

 

You are a person of reason!

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My point is that Android isn't as unstable as it once was, and while iOS has always been pretty stable it is not 100% problem free. While malware is indeed a concern it's not the problem it's been made out to be.

 

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