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Samsung races against rumors of an Apple 'iPad Pro' with two new 12-inch tablets

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South Korean electronics giant Samsung on Monday fired a preemptive shot across the bow of Apple's widely-rumored, yet still unannounced, large-screened iPad with the new Galaxy Note Pro and Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2-inch slates.

Galaxy Note Pro 12.2
Samsung's Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 with S Pen stylus


Both tablets sport identical 2560 x 1600 pixel "super clear" displays and share many of the same internal components, with Samsung tapping its own Exynos 5 Octa application processor in the 3G-enabled units and Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 for the LTE-provisioned rigs. Each comes with 3 gigabytes of RAM and can be configured with either 32 or 64 gigabytes of built-in storage.

Along with the jumbo-sized display comes a dramatic increase in weight: both models tip the scales at nearly 1.7 pounds in their base configurations, a premium of more than half a pound over Samsung's smaller tablets.

Rather than adapting its TouchWiz user interface customizations for the larger screen real estate, Samsung has instead chosen to develop a new skin it calls Magazine UX, which features multiple tile-based home screens that appear to follow the paradigm established by Microsoft's Windows 8. Magazine UX runs atop version 4.4, or "Kit Kat," of Google's Android operating system and brings a variety of productivity features including the ability to run up to four apps concurrently and support for the company's S Pen stylus.

Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2
Samsung's Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2


Pricing for the hulking tablets has yet to be announced, but normally-reliable Samsung watchers SAMMobile.com have leaked the devices' European costs in a series of tweets. The Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 LTE variant is expected to fetch ?849 ($1,158) at retail, with the Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2 LTE model coming in at ?749 ($1,021).

Samsung's announcement comes as rumors swirl around a potential "iPad Pro" that would feature a larger, 12- to 13-inch display. One analyst went so far as to predict that such a device, equipped with a hardware keyboard in a "clamshell" form factor, would disrupt the enterprise notebook market. even more so than Apple's 9.7-inch iPad has.
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I just love the way companies chase these rumors. Especially the watch. I personally believe Apple is not going to do a watch and if they do a 12" tablet it will be a new product and not an iPad.
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Obviously Samsung had this in development before the "iPad Pro" rumors started. But no doubt they're rushing it to market so they can claim "first!". The software UI looks like a ripoff of Flipboard, or even HTC's sense.
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I just love the way companies chase these rumors. Especially the watch. I personally believe Apple is not going to do a watch and if they do a 12" tablet it will be a new product and not an iPad.
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I think Samsung released the iPad Pro rumor through its legions of hitters.
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It's highly unlikely that Apple will bring out a larger iPad. I don't see the practical reason.
Dunno we'll see...
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I've been hoping for a larger iPad. Now that Samesung has beaten Apple to market I should buy one of theirs, they even look like iPads. Ah... no.

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I personally believe Apple is not going to do a watch and if they do a 12" tablet it will be a new product and not an iPad.

 

It would be hard to be more wrong than this these days.

 

A watch is questionable, but it is indeed very likely. Undoubtedly they are working on it. Whether or not it will be released is a matter of market considerations.

What they're not working on is introducing a 12" tablet that is NOT an iPad.

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Hilarious if they *never* intended to make an iWatch, Apple TV or an iPad Pro, but simply pretended to be just to get the competition/Samsung on those tracks working hard to come up with some failed products taking away precious resources from developing the next big thing.

 

Nah, Apple is working on all these things and Samsung is simply copying the rumors. Can´t wait to see the final result from Apple.

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This is going to be interesting. 1st If the price point is above $1000 I think it will not be a hot seller 2. If Apple launches its own 12 inch and can keep the starting price at say $599 or $629 it will be a instant hit. Lets see how Apple reacts. But for sure unfortunately this will bring the stock down. This is a true move from Samsung.
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A watch is questionable, but it is indeed very likely. Undoubtedly they are working on it. Whether or not it will be released is a matter of market considerations.

:) so what are you saying? They may or they may not? I'd agree with that. But I have to say I find the watch thing unlikely. I just don't see the point. For a while I thought it a good idea if the watch was a futuristic biometric sensor device, but sensors can be worn independently of any device, yet communicate with a device of the user's choice. In other words, wearable sensors and associated software should work great with an iPhone. So why the wrist band?

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Originally Posted by kent909 View Post
if they do a 12 tablet it will be a new product and not an iPad.

 

Well, that’s complete nonsense.

 

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A watch is questionable, but it is indeed very likely. Undoubtedly they are working on it.

 

How? People said this about the iPhone mini.

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Obviously Samsung had this in development before the "iPad Pro" rumors started. But no doubt they're rushing it to market so they can claim "first!". The software UI looks like a ripoff of Flipboard, or even HTC's sense.

The rumors started like a year ago so Samsung may have been reacting to the early chatter.

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Just like the first time Steve presented the Ipad 1, one has to ask the question, what functions do the 12" tablet serve?

With this design, simply more bulk and higher price, and with no clear cut need for it, where is the mass market?

Ipad pro, 12" ipad? I can see a market for it if Apple designs a stand and a keyboard to go with it, to be placed on the desk as a notebook PC replacement.

People who don't need Microsoft office can easily use an ipad pro for their daily computing needs. Less maintenance, less power consumption, already bought lots of apps and games (plus game controllers even).
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Mmmm...

As I sit here with my iPad 4, I realize that if Apple extended the screen to cover the whole front of the device it would be approximately 12 inches diagonal.

Now couple the iPad 4 form-factor with an A8 64-bit CPU/GPU lots of RAM and lots of SSD...

Mmm...
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It's highly unlikely that Apple will bring out a larger iPad. I don't see the practical reason.
Dunno we'll see...

It is? You don't?

 

How many 9.7" notebooks does Apple make? Obviously there is something to a larger screen, otherwise MacBooks wouldn't start at 11" and go up from there. People can do more with larger screens. It is that simple. 

 

Let Apple and the developers show you what you can do with one.

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Ipad pro, 12" ipad? I can see a market for it if Apple designs a stand and a keyboard to go with it, to be placed on the desk as a notebook PC replacement.
 

 

Aah, you just described the Surface.  I don't think Apple is going to release anything Surface-like soon or in the next 200 years.

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How? People said this about the iPhone mini.

They did? I don't remember a single credible rumor about an iPhone mini. I've been around long enough to know credible from not.

Apple has a lot of patents and a lot of hires and a lot of good reason to do it. This usually leads to a product, if history is any indication.

 

And don't go comparing to a TV, as there is a world of difference between the two, and too many good reasons for Apple not to do a TV.

Plenty of good reasons to do a watch.

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Hilarious if they *never* intended to make an iWatch, Apple TV or an iPad Pro, but simply pretended to be just to get the competition/Samsung on those tracks working hard to come up with some failed products taking away precious resources from developing the next big thing.

Nah, Apple is working on all these things and Samsung is simply copying the rumors. Can´t wait to see the final result from Apple.

Not Apples style. They don't ignore a potential market nor do they pretend to be working on something to screw with the competition.

We know they have at least considered several things because they filed for patents related to them. They likely also prototyped many, which could be where some of these rumors came up. Someone sees the prototypes and erroneously assumes they are intended to go to market. But many things tested get turned down in favor of letting others like Pebble take the risk and reap what is likely deemed a small reward at this time.

As for rumors Apple doesn't comment on them or talk about future plans so they won't correct a misperception. If someone has one and claims a product is real and another company jumps to beat it to market so what. When this Samsung 12 inch finally shows up if it doesn't blow away the market Apples decision to not create such a product will be vindicated. And if Apple beats them to market with a morse whiz bang 10 inch, that is exactly what might happen

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I've been hoping for a larger iPad. Now that Samesung has beaten Apple to market I should buy one of theirs, they even look like iPads. Ah... no.

I can see a larger iPad. I would use it on the couch instead of sitting in my den at a desk.

 

May consider it for one-on-one presentations, too. I love what Apple has done with iWork. The instant syncing between all my devices is truly amazing! I can see owning a "few" iPads.

 

Before Apple's reinvention of the iWork suite, I had gone through all my reports and charts and on my iMac "simplified" them so it would be easy to update them (some of them weekly) on my iPad. Anything you can do on your iPad is more fun than doing it on a desktop computer. Even a machine as beautiful as the iMac.

 

I'd use the iPad Mini-R for being out and about and traveling. 

 

P.S. Not quite there yet, but we are getting really close to not needing a laptop! :)


Edited by christopher126 - 1/7/14 at 8:57am
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Obviously Samsung had this in development before the "iPad Pro" rumors started. But no doubt they're rushing it to market so they can claim "first!". The software UI looks like a ripoff of Flipboard, or even HTC's sense.

 

I don't think it is obvious at all. I may not like Samsung as a company. And I might think that their idea of innovation is a joke, but one thing that they are very good at is turning out a "finished" product (at least finished for them) very fast.

 

I am with everyone else here. This is a blatant and sad attempt by Samsung to say that they did a 12" tablet before Apple.

 

I still think that Apple should release rumors of their new upcoming toilet, just to see how long it takes Samsung to announce their own toilet.

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Aah, you just described the Surface.  I don't think Apple is going to release anything Surface-like soon or in the next 200 years.

The surface? No, totally different beast.

The surface is a device with windows 97 UI trying to pretend that it has been designed to be used as a tablet.

If Microsoft has bothered to re-think and re-work the UI of the Surface, they may have a market for Surface.
Unfortunately, Microsoft senior management don't get it.

With IPAD 12", I already know lots of people who will be keen to buy it.

People who need to do a lot of reading and people who want to use the ipad as a notebook replacement.
These are people who love the IPAD, don't need to bring it around and wish for a bigger screen.

Lots of people prefer bigger screens. That was how the PC monitor started out at 14" and how the mainstream monitor is now more than 20".

There are people who want their tablets to be mobile and will stick with 8" and 10". Then there are many who want bigger screens.

If the IPAD pro can be as thin and well-balanced structurally like the IPAD Air, I will buy one personally.
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PRO!! First! We got PRO first!!! We just pwnd you, stupid Apple.

It says Pro, so it's Pro%u2026. just believe us.
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Aah, you just described the Surface.  I don't think Apple is going to release anything Surface-like soon or in the next 200 years.

Agreed. I like to keep my Apple devices "naked." If I do have an accessory it usually is made by Apple, SmartCover (iPads), MagicTrackPad/BTKB (iMac), etc.

 

One non-Apple accessory I do like is the Mophie battery case. I had one with my iP3GS. I didn't use it everyday (too big), but it was wonderful when flying.

 

I could use my iPhone on the plane stress-free, knowing I had the "juice" when I landed to make calls. The one for the 5s looks nice and thinner.

 

Best.


Edited by christopher126 - 1/7/14 at 8:39am
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It's highly unlikely that Apple will bring out a larger iPad. I don't see the practical reason.
Dunno we'll see...

 

The most obvious market that I see is artist. Given the advances that have been made lately in pressure sensitive capacitive pens a 12-13" iPad would be great for artist.

 

It also might be better for kiosk (I have been to one museum that had iPads scattered around as informational kisoks) or point-of-sale systems (there are a couple of stores in my area that use iPads for their POS systems), or sound boards (a coworker uses a Mac and iPad for his recording studio).

 

A larger iPad wouldn't be for portable functions, but for those functions where more real estate would be good.

 

Now, that being said. This extra real estate really only becomes available if the screen is not just bigger but also has more pixels. Otherwise, it is just like the iPad Air to the iPad Mini. It doesn't really give any more real estate it just makes the parcels bigger.

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What sets Apple apart from Samsung (there are lots of things of course) is that Apple is great at marketing the user experience with any particular product.  Just making a big (or small) tablet isn't ground-breaking.  Figuring out how the consumer uses it is where Apple really shines.  

 

It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a tablet line might be comprised of a small (phablet), medium and large format offering.  They might all do the same basic things, but as the initial reviews of the Samsung 12" tablets are pointing out, going bigger may create negative experiences due to weight and inability to type on screen.  It's the same going smaller - you may gain some benefits like weight and pocket ability, but then the screen might be too small for something like web viewing.

 

Since I got my 13" mba back in 2011, I thought the screen size and format would be perfect for a tablet, if it could be as thin and light as the screen itself is.  Obviously that's not possible at this point, so perhaps going bigger with an iPad "Pro" for Apple won't make sense this year.

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I don't think it is obvious at all. I may not like Samsung as a company. And I might think that their idea of innovation is a joke, but one thing that they are very good at is turning out a "finished" product (at least finished for them) very fast.

I am with everyone else here. This is a blatant and sad attempt by Samsung to say that they did a 12" tablet before Apple.

I still think that Apple should release rumors of their new upcoming toilet, just to see how long it takes Samsung to announce their own toilet.
But we didn't start hearing rumors about a larger iPad until late last year. I don't think Samsung is that fast at cranking something out, especially with a new custom UI. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if they released it earlier than planned once these larger iPad rumors started surfacing.
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post
Plenty of good reasons to do a watch.

 

You know, I thought the same thing. And then they redesigned the iPod nano again. 

 

And I’m like, you guys, you had it. That was it. That was right. Put Bluetooth inside it and you already have your watch. Listen to music via Bluetooth from the iPod, save that room on your iPhone for apps.

 

What could it possibly be now? As a standalone product, it doesn’t have enough utility to be worth its existence. What, it’s just to be a Bluetooth conduit for your iPhone? That’s an accessory, not a product in its own right.

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I'm glad Apple doesn't "rush things to market." It just seems fraught with unnecessary, self-inflicted  problems and the end result is a crappy product(s).

 

And yet Samsung, Google, HP, Sony, MS, etc., continue with this so-called strategy. They have more foreskin than foresight! :)

 

I like SJ's take. He said, "In Tech, you have to be 10 years ahead of the competition. Apple is now 5 years ahead." I think this was said around the intro of the iPad (not sure tho!)

 

Apple is light years ahead in the "eco-system" paradigm. 

 

Both in OS/SW, syncing all devices and Hardware integration! :) 

 

The Google, MS and Samsung engineers are coding like their wearing boxing gloves! Oh, the crap they are releasing.

 

Best.

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Wow, Samsung is aggressive!
Is this a reflection of the routine 16-hour daily studying regime to which South Korean kids are subject I wonder?
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post #32 of 64
Does Sammy have any original UI ideas? Once again, Sammy has the shotgun approach to design.
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Its good that Apple competitors are creating products based on Apple rumors. When and if Apple does release competitive products, Apple will have had the first crack at what their competitors think the customers want, and design around them, bring to market a likely better product.

Apple will patent new features that the competitors don't have, and then we all get to watch Apple competitors ditch their own products to make Apple-look-alikes.
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But we didn't start hearing rumors about a larger iPad until late last year. I don't think Samsung is that fast at cranking something out, especially with a new custom UI. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if they released it earlier than planned once these larger iPad rumors started surfacing.

 

If they had announced that these things were going to be ready for sale today then I would agree with you, but all that we saw were single devices which might be little more than advanced prototypes (something that can easily be pumped out in less than a month). As for the UI, I haven't seen it in action, but from the pictures and description it sounds like little more than displaying existing UI elements into different "windows" or regions of the larger screen. Even I could pull that off in less than a month and I am not a computer engineer, much less an entire department of computer engineers.

 

Again, if they had shown a completely new design for UI that was more than displaying existing UI into small regions or if they had announced that manufacturing was progressed to the point that the devices would be widely available now or very, very soon, I would agree with you. However, with what we were shown and more importantly what we were not told (release date or price), I don't think that this product is anywhere as far along as Samsung wants us to believe.

 

Then again, I could be wrong.

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How about an Apple AirPad?  It would be a MacBookAir with detachable screen. Detach the keyboard and it switches to iOS and touchscreen use. Re-attach the keyboard, and it switches back to MacOS, synchs both storage media, deactivates the touch sensor, and charges the battery in the screen.  Serves multiple purposes!

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Hopefully Apple will do better than just make a bigger tablet. Something that make use of the 64 bit A7 or A8, a lot more ram, cover with keyboard all in something lightweight.

 

That being said, I am getting tired of waiting on Apple for an upgraded Apple TV.   Give me something with the A7, apps and games, game controls, support for 4k video. This is by far the product I want the most in 2014.


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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post
Something that make use of the 64 bit A7

 

Oh, like every product that already uses it?

 

That being said, I am getting tired of waiting on Apple for an upgraded Apple TV. Give me something with the A7… …support for 4k video. This is by far the product I want the most in 2014.

 

Yep.

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PRO!! First! We got PRO first!!! We just pwnd you, stupid Apple.

It says Pro, so it's Pro%u2026. just believe us.


You do realise that Apple copied the term 'Pro' from Samsung?

 

Samsung Omnia Pro B7610  - 2010

 

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What we should do is imagine a ludicrous device... an iToilet perhaps? and then spread the rumor that we heard from a "reliable source" that Apple plans on releasing it in early 2015. And then see how long Samesung takes to announce their Galaxy Toilet (paper) Pro
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Well, that’s complete nonsense.


How? People said this about the iPhone mini.

I suggest the name changed to iPwn since they're killing everyone else.
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