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People have preferences with politics, TV shows, automobiles, OSes, etc. but why turn it into a one-sided political argument? Even if your analogy required converting to politics (although I don't see what relevance it has) you could make yourself sound more objective and balanced by writing " That said, you could replace Audi and Android in this thread with Obama or Bush and liberals or republicans" instead of simply writing "That said, you could replace Audi and Android in this thread with Obama and liberals."

Fair point. Noted. Still sounds a lot more like the kind of intolerance I hear from some vocal conservatives though.

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Good thing it wasn't yo' mama, as base jumping is illegal.

Are we jumping into racism now? If we are, I'd recommend doing it face to face so we can truly have a meaningful conversation. I am confident that I can impart some of my wisdom on to you. Let me know if you'd like to pursue this approach, and I'll be happy to accommodate you, but I think you like to hide behind your computer. I think we should stop here because we're both are having way too much fun. God bless you my son.
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post #124 of 144
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
What the hell is happening to this thread?

 

I went back and checked. It looks like a friendly jab turned into friendly insults that… somewhere along the line may have turned less than friendly. 

post #125 of 144
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I do agree with the sentiment that whatever car I buy better work seamlessly with whatever phone I'm using whether that's an iPhone or something else.  I almost got my wife the Nokia for the better camera but the iPhone 5S was good enough camera wise to stay iPhone this go around.

We went to see the BMWs today - looked at a really nice 328iX that can stream my iPhone 5s wirelessly - can also use Siri .... 

 

I'm thinking of a Munich pickup and a 10 day European vacation - driving around and listening to the music on my iPhone ....

 

Goodbye Audi ----  

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post #126 of 144
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Mind you, I have no idea about how this is perceived in the US. However, calling BMW a lesser car company than VW, is quite interesting, unless of course you're referring to plain size and amount of brands owned.

However, in their home country, those two brands do not even play in the same class. One might even start arguing whether Audi actually plays in the same class as BMW and Mercedes.

Well, Volkswagen Group sells passenger cars under the Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Škoda and Volkswagen marques; motorcycles under the Ducati brand; and commercial vehicles under the MAN, Scania, Neoplan and Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles marques.

Compared to that, BMW does BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce. I think BMW, as a Group, is somewhat lesser than VW Group.

I was surprised with OP's "failing quality" statement, but quick search for "BMW quality issues" did return remarkable number of links, and most worrying is that many of those are from 2013. Searching for "Audi quality issues" did return number of links as well, but they seem to be spread over the years, rather than focused on NOW... so OP might have a point there as well...
post #127 of 144
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We went to see the BMWs today - looked at a really nice 328iX that can stream my iPhone 5s wirelessly - can also use Siri .... 

I'm thinking of a Munich pickup and a 10 day European vacation - driving around and listening to the music on my iPhone ....

Goodbye Audi ----  


Please don't buy a BMW.
Read this first...

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/12/bmw-shuns-apples-ios-in-the-car-to-stick-with-its-own-technology
post #128 of 144
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Well, Volkswagen Group sells passenger cars under the Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Škoda and Volkswagen marques; motorcycles under the Ducati brand; and commercial vehicles under the MAN, Scania, Neoplan and Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles marques.

Compared to that, BMW does BMW, Mini and Rolls-Royce. I think BMW, as a Group, is somewhat lesser than VW Group.

I was surprised with OP's "failing quality" statement, but quick search for "BMW quality issues" did return remarkable number of links, and most worrying is that many of those are from 2013. Searching for "Audi quality issues" did return number of links as well, but they seem to be spread over the years, rather than focused on NOW... so OP might have a point there as well...

 Isn't this a bit like comparing Android and IOS, Audi is android with its multitude of models and fragmented product line. BMW is IOS, limited number of well designed models. Small product line, great design, great build quality, great performance....

Samsung as a corporation is greater than Apple, but look at all the crap they produce.

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Originally Posted by st88 View Post
Small? You're joking right?

 

Steve looks at that and does this:

 

  • 7 series Coupe
  • 7 series Convertible
  • 7 series Gran Turismo
  • 7 series Electric
post #130 of 144
Originally Posted by st88 View Post
I'm not following.

 

It’s a lot of products! A lot of repeat. A consumer looks at that and doesn’t know what’s what other than “big number mean better thing”. Were it Apple’s lineup, they would trim it down to four or five best products.

post #131 of 144
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It’s a lot of products! A lot of repeat. A consumer looks at that and doesn’t know what’s what other than “big number mean better thing”. Were it Apple’s lineup, they would trim it down to four or five best products.

 

Except that this is false:

 

Mac Mini 

iMac 21"

iMac 27"

Mac Pro 

 

iPad Mini 

iPad Air 

 

MBA 11"

MBA 13" 

 

MBP 13"

 

MBPr 13" 

MBPr 15" 

 

Not even counting the good/better/best within each model the Apple computer lineup has 5 different "series" and 11 discrete models.

 

Folks looking at a 3 series isn't in the same market as those looking at the bigger sedans any more than folks looking at the Mac Mini are really in the same market as the Mac Pro even through they are both desktops.  Much less for different categories (like SUV).

 

BMW's model lineup is not quite as razor focused as Apple's but it is easy to figure out which series you want.  Then the kind of car (coupe, sedan or convertible).  Done.

 

Razor sharp was Porsche: 911, Boxster, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera done. 

post #132 of 144
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We went to see the BMWs today - looked at a really nice 328iX that can stream my iPhone 5s wirelessly - can also use Siri .... 

I'm thinking of a Munich pickup and a 10 day European vacation - driving around and listening to the music on my iPhone ....

Goodbye Audi ----  

You going to use BMW ConnectedDrive? Great service with lots of back and forth communication between BMW and your car. Where you are, where you're heading, what vehicle features are in use, how you're driving, vehicle system reports, maintenance issues . . Good stuff and very useful to both you and BMW. They don't even need to connect to your Android or iDevice via their Google Play and App Store offering. BMW and Tesla are two of the most connected car companies in the world and most all other manufacturers will be following their lead and embedding their own connection modules and 3G/4G service. Give it another 5 years and no user smartphone will even be needed out on the road.
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/owners/connected_drive_services/how_to_use/index.html#remote_services

Here's a really cool if still somewhat crude idea of how completely connected our autos will be in just a few years.The video is from just a few months ago.
For those that think auto companies are in this just for driver convenience and to sell cars think again. Much of the profit in a vehicle transaction comes AFTER the actual sale. Connected cars open up a whole new world of revenue for the manufacturers and their partners. Here's a presentation from one of the organizations I subscibe to. This ain't about Android vs. iOS.
http://us.telematicsupdate.com/fc_tele_evupdatelz/lz.aspx?p1=0516065S3653&CC=&p=1&cID=0&cValue=1
Edited by Gatorguy - 1/9/14 at 7:27am
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post #133 of 144
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Originally Posted by st88 View Post
 

Small? You're joking right?

 

  • 1 series Coupe*
  • 1 series Convertible*
  • 1 series 3 door
  • 1 series 5 door
  • 2 series Coupe
  • 3 series Sedan
  • 3 series Touring
  • 3 series Gran Turismo
  • 3 series ActiveHybrid
  • 4 series Coupe
  • 4 series Convertible
  • 4 series Gran Coupe
  • 5 series Sedan
  • 5 series Touring
  • 5 series Gran Turismo
  • 5 series ActiveHybrid
  • 6 series Coupe
  • 6 series Convertible
  • 6 series Gran Coupe
  • 7 series Sedan
  • 7 series ActiveHybrid
  • Z4 Roadster
  • X1
  • X3
  • X5
  • X6
  • M3 Sedan
  • M3 Convertible*
  • M4 Coupe
  • M5 Sedan
  • M6 Coupe
  • M6 Gran Coupe
  • M6 Convertible
  • X6 M
  • i3
  • i8

 

* = exiting the market

 

And there are others coming in the not so distant future:

 

  • X4
  • 2 series Gran Coupe
  • 2 series Convertible
  • 2 series Active Tourer
  • M2
  • M2 Gran Coupe
  • M2 Convertible
  • M4 Gran Coupe
  • M4 Convertible

 

That's like saying the 200 different configurations of the new Mac Pro are actually 200 different models. They're not.

Take the 3 series which outsells the 1,5,6,7 by  a huge margin and is BMW's cash cow. 

There are 4 basic models in production right now (there is a model transition going on right now so I'll only deal with the current/soon to be previous line)

 

E90 4-dr sedan

E91 4-dr station wagon

E92 Coupe

E93 Convertible

 

Everything else is basically an option, X drive, Diesel, Navigation, Premium, Sports etc.


Edited by patpatpat - 1/9/14 at 8:03am
post #134 of 144
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Originally Posted by nht View Post
 

 

Except that this is false:

 

Mac Mini 

iMac 21"

iMac 27"

Mac Pro 

 

iPad Mini 

iPad Air 

 

MBA 11"

MBA 13" 

 

MBP 13"

 

MBPr 13" 

MBPr 15" 

 

Not even counting the good/better/best within each model the Apple computer lineup has 5 different "series" and 11 discrete models.

 

Folks looking at a 3 series isn't in the same market as those looking at the bigger sedans any more than folks looking at the Mac Mini are really in the same market as the Mac Pro even through they are both desktops.  Much less for different categories (like SUV).

 

BMW's model lineup is not quite as razor focused as Apple's but it is easy to figure out which series you want.  Then the kind of car (coupe, sedan or convertible).  Done.

 

Razor sharp was Porsche: 911, Boxster, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera done. 

Thank you. Exactly the analogy I was trying to present.

post #135 of 144
Originally Posted by patpatpat View Post
Thank you. Exactly the analogy I was trying to present.

 

So why is it the opposite of what you said?

post #136 of 144
Because its not.. Duh.
post #137 of 144
Originally Posted by patpatpat View Post
Because its not.. Duh.

 

Did you read the post:no:

 

My point is that the lineup is too large and that Apple would trim it down.


His point is that Apple’s lineup is as large as Audi’s, citing configurations as “different devices”.

 

Your point explicitly states the opposite of his point, stating that the configurations are NOT different devices (which is the right answer), and saying exactly what I said: that an Apple-esque lineup of Audi’s stuff would be greatly diminished.

post #138 of 144
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Your point explicitly states the opposite of his point, stating that the configurations are NOT different devices (which is the right answer), and saying exactly what I said: that an Apple-esque lineup of Audi’s stuff would be greatly diminished.

 

In what way are these not different devices but different "configurations"?  Different configurations are like the GOOD, BETTER, BEST within a specific model.

post #139 of 144
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Did you read the post1oyvey.gif

My point is that the lineup is too large and that Apple would trim it down.


His point is that Apple’s lineup is as large as Audi’s, citing configurations as “different devices”.

Your point explicitly states the opposite of his point, stating that the configurations are NOT different devices (which is the right answer), and saying exactly what I said: that an Apple-esque lineup of Audi’s stuff would be greatly diminished.

Did YOU read any of the posts? His point is that Apples lineup is as large as BMW's not Audis.
His second point was that when you are purchasing from the Apple lineup, you are not looking at iMacs if you're interested in a Macbook, similarly someone looking at a 3-series is not going to be looking at 7 series models.
Within the macbook series there are 5 models, within the 3 series there are 4. All other variations are simply configurations.

Got it now?
post #140 of 144
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Originally Posted by st88 View Post
 

You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

The 3/4 series sales only accounted for ~33% of BMW North America's sales in 2013. Worldwide the 3/4 series account for even less, as North America is missing some vehicles and variations from BMW's line up. (example: 1 series 3 door/5 door, 5 series Touring, etc.).

 

Everything else is not an option.  Each vehicle on that list is a different from another, and that has nothing to do with the packaging or simply different engines (example of different engines/packaging: 228i Sport or 228i xDrive Luxury or M235i).

 

E9x isn't even in production (ie. it is not current)...  We're already onto F3x...

 

Stop wasting everyone's time with your false information and poor analogies.

You my friend are clueless. In 2012 the 3 series accounted for 26% of BMW's world sales. Greater than any of its other lines. You can still purchase E9x series models, the dealers are full of them. Yes as I mentioned this is a transition year with F3x and E9x both available, which is why I stated I was talking only about E9x series.

Get with the program man.

post #141 of 144
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Originally Posted by st88 View Post
 

More of your nonsense.

 

In your previous post you highlighted the 3 series and stated:

 

"3 series which outsells the 1,5,6,7 by  a huge margin"

 

Following that statement you went on to tivialize the other vehicles in BMWs line-up by highlighting the 3 series which may be their largest seller, but only makes up for 25~30% of their sales.  Meanwhile the 5 series manages to sell between 80~85% of the 3 series sales on the global market, not exactly a trivial amount.

 

 

The "transitional" period you're talking about came and went for the sedan, estate, and coupe.

 

The E90 ended production in 2011 and was replaced by the F30.

The E91 ended production in 2012 and was replaced by the F31.

 

The E90/E91 made up for the vast majority of 3 series sales (75%~80%) and have been long out of dealers hands.

 

The E92 and E93 have ended production under 2013 vehicles, the 4 series (F32 and F33) are the 2014 models.  The E92/E93 do not appear on the international, US or German webpages for order (ie. production orders have ended).

All I can say is that I hope you are not an accountant. BMW sold 50,000 more 3 series than 5 series in 2012. At an average of around $40K revenue per vehicle that's $2B more from 3 series. Do you get it now.

 

Oh, and from Jan to September 2013, BMW sold 95,000 more 3 series than 5 series...


Edited by patpatpat - 1/9/14 at 6:06pm
post #142 of 144
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Originally Posted by st88 View Post
 

lol... Playing the revenue game?

 

3 series 2012 = ~370k sold * ~40k revenue per vehicle = $14.8B

 

5 series 2012 = ~320k sold * ~60k revenue per vehicle = $19.2B

 

That's $4.4B more from the 5 series. Do you get it now?

tut tut tut. You really don't get it do you.

post #143 of 144
Next lease will not be an Audi.
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

It's not what Audi wants you to see, it's what Google wants you to see that's the problem.

F*ck having an ad supported car!

Google aren't a charity they'll want to monetise.
ok, from now on...when u approach a stop sign...hit the stop peddle hard.. Look left, look right, look at the google ad... Hit the screen to stop the flashing loop, get back the gps map, look left, hit the gas pedal...easy as that
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