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Apple hits snags in 'iWatch' production, loses director of iPod software to Nest

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A new report published on Tuesday details the long and arduous road Apple's supposed iWatch is moving down as it moves from idea to consumer product, including fresh information regarding an iPod software director's departure to Nest Labs.

Bryan James
Former Apple director of iPod Software Bryan James' LinkedIn profile. | Source: LinkedIn


Apple has run into a number of challenges in bringing the so-called "iWatch" to market, reports The Information, though most appear to be in line with any new product launch. The publication provides a number of interesting tidbits, including the attrition of former Apple iPod software director and current Nest employee Bryan James, who reportedly worked on the project.

Now Vice President of New Product Engineering at Nest Labs, James was previously a director for Apple's iPod software team, a position he held for over seven years. It is unclear what role James played in iWatch development, but sources claim the software engineer was involved with various wearable programs, including an Apple-made offering that would have allowed iPod nano users to wear the device as a wristwatch.

James is also listed on a number of Apple patents, most of which relate to user interface designs and backend technology. Specifically, The Information points to a property "associated with a watch-like device" that also lists Nest cofounder Matt Rogers as an inventor, but AppleInsider could not find the document in question.

The pair of names show up together only once in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's database. Apple's U.S. Patent No. 8,380,507 covers voice activated features in a portable device that could theoretically be used in an iWatch, though no mention of "watches" or "wearables" is made.

With a supposedly growing team dedicated to the iWatch project, James may not have been a key player, but his background is interesting nonetheless. As of February 2013, Apple was claimed to have a 100-person team working on the initiative, but has been "aggressively hiring" additional personnel in the intervening months.

Some of those hires are rumored to have backgrounds in the medical field, suggesting the as-yet-unannounced wearable may incorporate bio sensors and other "quantified self" technology.

The Information also reiterates prior reports regarding Apple's production struggles thus far, including issues with screen technology. To this point, the publication cites people familiar with the project as saying Apple considered moving to a different display implementation late last year due to battery issues with older designs.

While quite possibly a foregone conclusion, the publication looks ahead to how the iWatch will perform in the coming tide of wearable devices. At this year's CES, a veritable crush of wearables has been announced, many from big-name tech companies like LG and Intel.

It remains to be seen if the market will take to the new form factor devices initially made popular by wristbands from Nike, Jawbone and Fitbit, among others. As with previous CES events, Apple seems to once again be the elephant in the room that isn't even there.
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So basically they don't really know anything. Glad I'm not paying for this lack of information.
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Damn, I did not evn know Apple had announced an "iWatch".

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Yet another iWatch production issue article. You must be joking.

Good for Bryan James. Nest needs people much more than Apple needs a director of iPod software at the moment.
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Apple is doomed!!!! An unannounced product is having unconfirmed issues!!
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Apple is doomed!!!! An unannounced product is having unconfirmed issues!!

This explains the stock fall today!!!

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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.

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"There is no iWatch" (waves hand like Obi-Wan Kenobi)...

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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.

I agree with you there...but one could say the same about being an iPod expert right about now.

 

Nest is a pretty cool product. If I were building a house I would def. have it.

 

The video is very well done...when the page opens, click on the "take the tour" button for a short video. Like I said, it's pretty cool and one of the few non-Apple devices I would consider buying! :)

 

https://nest.com/thermostat/life-with-nest-thermostat/

 

Best.

 

P.S. No affiliation. :)

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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.

And smoke detectors... But in all honesty I think Nest is a great company. They are doing small things for now, but the home is a huge area of opportunity.

Still, I'm assuming one guy won't make or break the company. If apple depended on one guy, they'd already be done
post #11 of 41
Best non-story of the day.
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"Apple hits snags in 'iWatch' production, loses director of iPod software to Nest"

 

Where exactly in this article does it explain where Apple hits snags in iWatch production?

Oh right, the sensationalist article title made out of complete fud. Nevermind.

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iPods are not exactly an expanding market. He probably hit a brick wall when it came to career advancement. Thats why many Lower level exec's leave, the top rung is full, and they want to keep moving.

As for iWatch.. they've hired some VERY heavy hitters in design recently.. The Nano watch thing was YEARS past and killed off in 2012, not news at all. Thats actually 2 years old news! ROFL!

I always thought they killed the nano watch because they decided to go a different direction.
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Left iPod to go to Nest? I thought that happened years ago%u2026
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WHAT iWatch?

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"There is no iWatch" (waves hand like Obi-Wan Kenobi)...

 

 

There is no iWatch . . . 

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Yet another iWatch production issue article. You must be joking.

Good for Bryan James. Nest needs people much more than Apple needs a director of iPod software at the moment.

Clickbait is no joke. Nothing is more serious and dignified than slapping ads on some copy-and-pasted rumor and throwing it into the forums. /s

Oh no! Now the iPod will become stale! /s

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post #18 of 41
Just another BS story without any real info from The Information. They should change their name to The Disinformation.
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There is no iWatch . . . 

There is no spoon . . .

Even during CES Apple still gets news for an unreleased and unannounced product. Good luck not being Apple.

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"There is no iWatch" (waves hand like Obi-Wan Kenobi)...

 

That is not the reference you were looking for....

Surely you meant to credit The Matrix, not Star Wars:
 

Paraphrasing:

iWatch boy: Do not try and bend the iWatch - that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth.

Neo: What truth?

iWatch boy: There is no iWatch.

Neo: There is no iWatch?

iWatch boy: Then you will see that it is not the iWatch that bends, it is only yourself.

 

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There is no spoon . . .

 

Ouch, you beat me by a few seconds.  :)

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Ouch, you beat me by a few seconds.  1smile.gif

But only because you put more effort into your post.

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post #23 of 41
What's worse, that the original article had nothing newsworthy at all, or that AI decided to regurgitate it? A guy who used to work on now-irrelevant iPod software may or may not (probably not) have had a role in the development of a product that may or may not ever exist. What?
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Snags with iWatch production?

I heard it would be ready 'in time'.
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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.

I would bet that Nest has much bigger plans in the home automation and possibly home security arenas including heavy integration with iOS (and probably Android too).

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I would bet that Nest has much bigger plans in the home automation and possibly home security arenas including heavy integration with iOS (and probably Android too).

 

Nest problem long term is a lack of serious money R&D wise, they woke-up a slow moving industry with Nest Thermostat, good luck to them they will need it.

post #27 of 41
it's not just iWatch production issues. they're also have line and yield issues with iSockDarner, iBrassPolisher and iSwitchFlipper. yep. heard it here first.
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Snags with iWatch production?

I heard it would be ready 'in time'.

While iAm watching this debacle unfold iRealize what iReally want is an iHeadband. As we attempt to reimagine and redefine the past iHave become convinced the iHeadband will be a hit. It will have an iWatch built in facing outwards so only iCan not tell the time. It makes no sense, it is very social and it is very iFarOut.


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Much a do about nada
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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.
I consider myself adept at sarcasm detection, but that's pretty borderline. Some might take it seriously, thinking Nest really is a thermostat company. Just like Apple is a smartphone company or a PC vendor.
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The Nest thermostat (I have one) is a neat gadget. For simple installations, it does the job. It does not even touch on the area of whole-home integrated systems though, and if a new product every 2 years (like the smoke detector) is all they can do, it's going to stay a niche product. Someone needs to bring home automation/security into a more cohesive package... or else the specialized systems like Honeywell will continue to be the only reliable whole-home option.

Belkin kind of dabbles in it with WeMo, but I want to go to Home Depot, and walk out with everything I need to connect my house in one cart.
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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.

You never know? They may make a wearabe 'Nest' that can communicate with the iPod....../s

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There is no iWatch . . . 

Move along, move along...

 

I am thinking iWatch has a double meaning (like a lot of Apple things):
1. It goes on your wrist
2. Watch as in monitor, i.e. it has a lot of sensors.

 

And maybe it is not for everybody but only for the sick or elderly or a baby monitor.

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Not sure leaving Apple and going to a thermostat company is all that bright of an move. Really, how much runway is there in this category to innovated how to control the temperature in your house.

 

 

 

You should update your information about Nest. They've expanded beyond thermostats and are very nicely positioned as a home automation startup. Indeed, its future is bright but not bright enough to outshine Apple. But consider this - This guy's stock options at Apple are very likely fully vested now. So, financially, joining a promising startup as a relatively senior manager has a bigger financial upside. 

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I consider myself adept at sarcasm detection, but that's pretty borderline. Some might take it seriously, thinking Nest really is a thermostat company. Just like Apple is a smartphone company or a PC vendor.

You're mistaking ignorance for sarcasm.

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While iAm watching this debacle unfold iRealize what iReally want is an iHeadband. As we attempt to reimagine and redefine the past iHave become convinced the iHeadband will be a hit. It will have an iWatch built in facing outwards so only iCan not tell the time. It makes no sense, it is very social and it is very iFarOut.

iAgree.

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post #37 of 41
I all starts again, i predict wall st drivin down stock to 450 before coming up again to 550 area on september...
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This seems highly unlikely. Bryan James would certainly have signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of his employment at Apple. Disclosing problems with the iWatch would be met with legal actions against him.
post #39 of 41
But wait, it's the iTV that's further delayed because the iWatch is coming first:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-itv-delayed-by-content-deals-and-new-iwatch-focus

The TV is already at least 3 years late!

http://appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/05/apple_planning_connected_television_apple_tv_with_dvr_report.html

They said 2011 launch and it's now 2014. Going by the same timeline, if the iWatch rumors started around 2012, there should be another fictional product made up around 2 years before the iWatch would be due to arrive after all the delays (2018). But what kind of product rumored in 2016 would distract Apple from finishing an iWatch? Maybe a TV?
post #40 of 41
I expect this product category to be an abysmal failure. I don't know anyone that wears a watch... nor any other electronic "wearables". It's a speculation fad.
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