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South Korean tech giant Samsung is considering the inclusion of iris recognition technology in its upcoming Galaxy S5 handset as the company attempts to counter Apple's popular Touch ID fingerprint scanner.

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"Many people are fanatical about iris recognition technology," Samsung mobile executive Lee Young Hee said during a recent interview with Bloomberg. "We are studying the possibility but can't really say whether we will have it or not on the S5."

The revelation comes as rival smartphone makers race to reach feature parity with Apple's flagship iPhone 5s, which caught many of the company's competitors by surprise with the industry's first 64-bit mobile application processor and the handset's Touch ID system, acquired when Apple purchased biometric sensor maker AuthenTec last year.

Samsung has previously been rumored to be working on a fingerprint scanner of its own, but those plans are said to have been shelved, apparently in favor of the new optical scanning technology. Fellow South Korean manufacturer LG is also reportedly developing a fingerprint-sensing feature for its so-called "G3" handset.

In addition to the biometric capabilities, Samsung's still-unannounced Galaxy S5 is expected to receive an all-new industrial design in an attempt to differentiate it from its predecessors. Samsung believes its Galaxy S4 faced lackluster sales because it did not appear markedly different from the company's S3.

"When we moved to S4 from S3, it's partly true that consumers couldn't really feel much difference between the two products from the physical perspective, so the market reaction wasn't as big," Lee told the publication, adding that the company would go "back to the basics" with the S5.

Lee said the Galaxy S5 is targeted for release "around March and April" and would be joined by an updated version of the company's Galaxy Gear smart watch with new health-sensing capabilities. The device's official announcement will likely come next month at the annual Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.
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It'll be as good as Samsung's face ID unlock.
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So I have to aim the phone at my eye?

 

Yeah, this sounds more convenient than a fingerprint sensor on a button you would normally push when operating a phone.

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Idiotic, inconvenient overkill.
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How silly will people look holding their phones up to their face?
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Can't wait to see it ;)

 

I do like the sound of them changing their design to look different, perhaps they are finally moving away from copying the look of others? Or they've selected a different target to copy, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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How silly will people look holding their phones up to their face?

I was about to say the same thing, what apple did is very passive, it does not requirement you to do anything special or extra, you do not need to look at the phone for it to recognize you and unlock the phone. The best technologies are the one that work and you do not know that it doing it for you.

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I'm interested to see what they come up with.

When Apple wanted a fingerprint scanner... they bought a couple companies who dealt with fingerprint scanning. Those companies were probably the best in that field, too. Fingerprint scanning isn't new anyway... it's been around for a while and is very mature at this point.

Is Samsung developing iris scanning technology themselves... or are they buying companies that already do this? I can't find anything that talks about this kind of technology... especially an iris scanner that would fit inside a phone.

And then there's the whole accuracy thing. It's gotta work damn near 100% of the time... or else it will be turned off and forgotten. Sadly... a lot of Samsung "features" end up in that category.

My iPhone 5S rarely gives me any trouble. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen the "Try Again" prompt. At most we're talking about a few times out of thousands of operations.

Then again... scanning a fingerprint with direct touch is probably a lot easier than scanning an eyeball from some distance away.

Apple's fingerprint scanner is the best implementation of that technology I've ever seen. And it's so simple... it's built into the button you already press. If Samsung plans to one-up that with an iris scanner... they better make sure it's damn good. Bring it!
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It'll be as good as Samsung's face ID unlock.

Exactly this. If they can't successfully recognise a large face, what chance do they have with a small iris?

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This is silly unless it can scan from a about a foot away or so.  People won't be holding it to their face.  

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This would be great for a desktop or laptop; idiotic for a phone
 
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Queue the comments that people will get their eyes torn out to activate their stolen phones instead of cutting off fingers ... Oh wait, that was the Scamsung trolls.
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Imagine how many random play store purchases people could make if the authentication for purchasing things was looking at the screen....Great idea! :P 

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No matter what Apple comes out with, Samsung will try to one-up Apple. That's how successful businesses compete. Samsung must have a huge R&D department seeing how they manage to put out so many products of all different types within such a short time. Apple can barely manage to put out one new product a year while Samsung comes out with 20 new products which I find amazing from a logistics standpoint. Their product planning division must have hundreds of people working around the clock.
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It would be interesting to see how that works. Do peeps need to remove their eyeglasses? Knowing Sammy, it'll be a half-ass solution that is more trouble than its worth.
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Samsung will of course try to paint this as an necessary feature... I am actually waiting when a first samsung ad (with Apple fans in queue for next iPhone...) will come out...
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Apple fan: It's has bigger screen !
Samung Fan: This has an even bigger one.
A: This has an 64 bit processor !
S: This has an octa core processor.
A: You can unlock it with an fingerprint !
( touch ID plus finger, the iPhone refuses to unlock few times then the A have to type in the password)
S: Oh it doesn't work properly, it isn't even secure like everyone can get to your fingerprints.
A: But you don't have anything like that or ?
S: I can unlock it with my Eye, wach this ! (S looks at their phone, it unlocks instantly)
A: wow that is incredible what is that ?
S: It's the galaxy S5... From SAMSUNG
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The bext big thing is already here, the samsung galaxy S5.
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That will work really well in the dark....
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They put out more than one product a year. Let's see, so far we've had brand new laptops (one of which was redesigned and made thinner) all with better battery life than the competition for the size. The new MacPro, redesigned iMac (that was about a year ago now), iPad Air, iPad mini with Retina, iPhone 5c and 5s.

The thing with Apple is they take their shot and they hit the mark nearly every time. It takes how many products for Samsung to try to reach Apple's level of success? Follow the profit.
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I'm curious to know who these 'fanatical' people are that are just clamoring for technology....
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Hope the manufacturer doesn't put the iris scanners in wrong... Nothing sounds like failure then, "MY EYE! MY EYE!! AHHH!!!"

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post #22 of 185
Brilliant $amsung...

I can just see a lineup at Starbucks...

Hang on Ms. Barista, I need to unlock my phone ( places phone up to eye for 5 seconds)...
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Queue the comments that people will get their eyes torn out to activate their stolen phones instead of cutting off fingers ... Oh wait, that was the Scamsung trolls.

 

Reminds me of the opening scene of Demolition Man...

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So I have to aim the phone at my eye?

 

Yeah, this sounds more convenient than a fingerprint sensor on a button you would normally push when operating a phone.

Not to mention when I'm in a darkened area, like when laying in bed or on the sofa in a darkened room.  Even as you're instructed (no doubt by some lame onscreen message box) to hold the phone in front of your face for longer than it would take to just enter the password, will it then tell you to move to a more well lit area?  Ha Ha Ha Ha... what a joke!

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Brilliant response! 1smile.gif
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Samsung will of course try to paint this as an necessary feature... I am actually waiting when a first samsung ad (with Apple fans in queue for next iPhone...) will come out...
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.
Apple fan: It's has bigger screen !
Samung Fan: This has an even bigger one.
A: This has an 64 bit processor !
S: This has an octa core processor.
A: You can unlock it with an fingerprint !
( touch ID plus finger, the iPhone refuses to unlock few times then the A have to type in the password)
S: Oh it doesn't work properly, it isn't even secure like everyone can get to your fingerprints.
A: But you don't have anything like that or ?
S: I can unlock it with my Eye, wach this ! (S looks at their phone, it unlocks instantly)
A: wow that is incredible what is that ?
S: It's the galaxy S5... From SAMSUNG
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The bext big thing is already here, the samsung galaxy S5.

 

Key concept in those Samsung ads: people queue for Apple products.  You'd think they wouldn't want to point that out.  LOL!

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post #27 of 185
Oh Samsung, subtly but fatally off again with your product ideas. How's this supposed to work? Either you stick the phone right up to your eye, or with magnification it can be held at a distance but will the recognition software be able to overcome the pronounced jitter and lower effective resolution?
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It would be interesting to see how that works. Do peeps need to remove their eyeglasses? Knowing Sammy, it'll be a half-ass solution that is more trouble than its worth.

 

Well, peeps will definitely have to remove their sunglasses.  Silly SameSong!

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I can't wait for Samsung's 65-bit processor.

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Can't wait to see it ;)

 

I do like the sound of them changing their design to look different, perhaps they are finally moving away from copying the look of others? Or they've selected a different target to copy, I guess we'll have to wait and see.


It'll look like a Dyson vacuum.

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Interesting concept but there are a number of challenges in execution I think. With a few obstacles that I think ultimately will handicap it's use for the end client. Just my opinion though.
First the technical limitations - if you read the wiki on iris recognition (not retina scanning) it seems to work with few false positives. Except according to wiki "Many commercial iris scanners can be easily fooled by a high quality image of an iris or face in place of the real thing". If that's true than unlike fingerprints which they were able to break the iPhone 5S security by creating a model based off a fingerprint, then in theory a high quality picture would do.
A second technical limitation which I found a bit amusing was "Alcohol consumption causes recognition degradation as the pupil dilates/constricts causing deformation in the iris pattern" So it might not work if you're drunk!?
A third limitation I can see is light or lack thereof. If there is not enough light for the CCD camera to see the iris?
A fourth limitation might exist for people with glasses might cause a reflection degrading the image. Or colour contacts. Definitely sunglasses.
Other questions from a technology standpoint are how long does it have to scan an eye to achieve a result and how stable does the eye have to be? Also where is the data being stored? Seperately like the iPhone5s or somewhere in memory. And how easy would it be take control of the CCD camera and send a signal to it or send a virus to override it? The fingerprint scanner is totally separate from everything (or so I think) while the CCD camera on a phone is used for multiple purposes which I think in theory makes it more vulnerable. I also wonder how much power consumption is required comparing the two. If it comes at a cost of battery life (or phone weight) that wouldn't be good.

Moving away from technology I think the user experience also has to be taken into consideration. One of the reasons I would want a iPhone5s (i currently have a 5) is because it would allow me to easily access my phone while driving. Don't know how many times the password lock has made it a pain to quickly check something (maybe this is a good thing but there are certain times that a quick check or access of a address or phone number you have in an open email would be useful).
Second is as people mentioned the way people access the phone. The reader built into the home button is a natural progression of what they normally do. I don't think iris recognition is.
Ultimately it sounds like a "cool" technology rather than a non-intrusive technology like the iPhone 5s.

To be fair, I think we would want to see how it's executed but not sure how useful it's going to be... but having said that at least for me one of the primary reasons for wanting the fingerprint scanner would not be met with a iris recognition technology.
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Yet another thing Apple revolutionized and made better.
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My iPhone 5S rarely gives me any trouble. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen the "Try Again" prompt. At most we're talking about a few times out of thousands of operations.
 

 

I can count on one hand how many times Touch ID has actually worked for me in the last 2 months. It refuses to even scan my fingerprints now.

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What is it about Samsung that appears to make them incapable of distinguishing useful from pointless and practical from impractical? Even now that they have seen how to implement a functional and largely seamless authentication method, they instead drone on about using a technique that makes no sense from a practical user perspective.

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Yet another thing Apple revolutionized and made better.

Actually I think the reason why Samsung isn't going with a fingerprint scanner is because they can't make it work as well. A retina scanner will be compared as a biometric but it won't be compared on as many levels as it would be as a fingerprint scanner. I assume it won't be too long before Samsung et al. can do a decent facsimile of TouchID now that hey can see how Apple does it but it's possible they can't even get into the same ballpark as TouchID which I think depends on ARM64's new cryptology and secret Apple's A7 SoC features that make it operate so quickly.
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I can count on one hand how many times Touch ID has actually worked for me in the last 2 months. It refuses to even scan my fingerprints now.

Good thing it's still under warranty.  You should get that fixed.  Especially if it used to work for you and then stopped working.

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I can count on one hand how many times Touch ID has actually worked for me in the last 2 months. It refuses to even scan my fingerprints now.

Wow... that sucks!

Maybe I'm lucky. I've never had to re-train it either. It's worked the same since I got the phone 2 months ago.
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Yet another thing Apple revolutionized and made better.

Actually I think the reason why Samsung isn't going with a fingerprint scanner is because they can't make it work as well. A retina scanner will be compared as a biometric but it won't be compared on as many levels as it would be as a fingerprint scanner. I assume it won't be too long before Samsung et al. can do a decent facsimile of TouchID now they can see how Apple does it but it's possible if they can't even get into the same ballpark as TouchID which I think depends on ARM64's new cryptology and secret Apple's A7 SoC features that make it operate so quickly.

 

That's an interesting theory. If correct, I would expect them now to just keep talking up "better" authentication methods until they can make fingerprint scanning work for them, since it's hard to imagine how any alternative will be both viable and practical in the immediate future. If iris scanning makes it into a real device, other than for special security-critical applications, I think it will be a short-lived gimmick.

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That will work really well in the dark....

Or in bright light. Our iris is constantly changing in size.
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Actually I think the reason why Samsung isn't going with a fingerprint scanner is because they can't make it work as well. A retina scanner will be compared as a biometric but it won't be compared on as many levels as it would be as a fingerprint scanner. I assume it won't be too long before Samsung et al. can do a decent facsimile of TouchID now they can see how Apple does it but it's possible if they can't even get into the same ballpark as TouchID which I think depends on ARM64's new cryptology and secret Apple's A7 SoC features that make it operate so quickly.

Except it's not a retina scanner, it's a iris scanner which is in the front of the eye, but I really can't see that working too well. Sometimes one can't 'one up' the competition.
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