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How are competitors going to copy this iconic design without looking like they are copying? I have no doubt that they will.
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Performance - how does it compare to previous model?

This review today @ Macworld has a nice comparison for you...

http://www.macworld.com/article/2084814/breathing-new-life-into-old-mac-pros.html

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Finally a Widescreen Matte (yes you guessed) from the Toolkit was applied over the whole edit.

It probably took about an hour and a half to build, but that's including finding all the shots and choosing music. We then wondered how long the timeline would take to render. Would this Mac Pro impress the colleagues who had got slightly bored of being constantly bombarded with amazing facts about the machine?

If we had built this in FCP7, we would expect a render time of probably up to an hour as there were some heavy pixel recalculations and GPU intensive effects going on on that timeline.

It took 42 seconds. Yes you read that right, 42 seconds.

Gobsmacked

Gobsmacked again. And this was on a machine that was dragging video back and forth off NAS drives, not 10GigE or Fibre Channel either.

http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/1317-fcpx-and-the-mac-pro-a-real-broadcast-job-real-editing-and-real-deadlines
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post #43 of 115

I wonder if the SSD in the Mac Pro can saturate 4 PCIe lanes, or even 2 lanes.  If not, then it would have been better to have 2 SSD slots, each with 2 PCIe lanes.  Better yet would be to have 2 SSD slots that automatically run in single x4 or dual x2 mode depending on whether a second SSD is installed.

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What is it like to use a 30 Hz display?

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How spoiled by cheese-box commoditized PCs we've become. I spent $5000 for a Mac years ago ($10,000 in today's dollars) that my iPhone could beat today. This machine is a steal.

Hey Robin, Were you able to locate your friend in Switzerland? I hope so.

 

Best.

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We see here Apple, the marketing company that can't innovate, stealing ideas again.

This is a 1950s Tatra V12 air-cooled Diesel which clearly is the inspiration for the thermal-vortex design:



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Hardly.

Ok, so I made the sarcasm tag a little bigger.
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Hey Robin, Were you able to locate your friend in Switzerland? I hope so.

Best.

Phil Boogie steered him to this thread started by relic, which i'm sorry to say was probably among her last words with us on this earth.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158838/well-it-looks-like-im-no-longer-in-remission

She really was a delightful person. I became very fond of her after she told us of her first adventures at CalTech.
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So you people think Apple buying Adobe would be a good idea?  Are you not paying attention to Apple's lousy software track record?  Look how they dumbed down iMovie, Final Cut Pro, and iWork by removing features that people used to get their work done.  So you want them to strip features from Photoshop and Illustrator and then have the nerve to call them professional-grade products?  That is what would happen if Apple bought Adobe.  Now after customer backlash, Apple is working to restore the features they removed from those products.  Apple needs to stop dumbing-down all their software products.

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Are you not paying attention to Apple's lousy software track record?

 

You’re certainly not, and don’t have a clue what Apple did. Be quiet.

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Me want to use to bang out killer Strata 3D renderings.....Also can Apple please buy Adobe already.

Lets have have Apple put another feather in their cap with taking over Photoshop and Illustrator.

 

Right. After banning Adobe Flash from iOS, and rallying against it in MacOS, Apple is going to turn around and buy the company?  Adobe,  purveyor of nagware?  And do Photoshop and Illustrator still even exist as products? I thought everything got combined in the mystical cloud somewhere. Even if Apple did acquire PS and Illustrator, what makes you think there would be an improvement? Look what they did to the last iteration of iWork, gutting features and making Numbers utterly useless!  I keep the old version of iWork, and have no desire whatsoever to do anything in the clouds.  Adobe can wither and vanish into the mist as far as I'm concerned.  A once-great company, now unworthy of attention.

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Hey Robin, Were you able to locate your friend in Switzerland? I hope so.

Best.

Phil Boogie steered him to this thread started by relic, which i'm sorry to say was probably among her last words with us on this earth.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158838/well-it-looks-like-im-no-longer-in-remission

She really was a delightful person. I became very fond of her after she told us of her first adventures at CalTech.


Ohhh... I missed that post by Relic. Very sorry to read that! Relic and I locked horns on a few occasions, but I really enjoyed her well-reasoned posts -- she gave as good as she got!

I also missed her post about " her first adventures at CalTech." Do you have a link -- I grew up in Pasadena a couple of miles from CalTech, and my business partner's father was a graduate.


I hope Relic recovers and contributes for many more years.


Ha! It occurs to me that Relic had more tech devices than DaHarder! -- Only hers were real!
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Look what they did to the last iteration of iWork, gutting features and making Numbers utterly useless! 

 

Yep, you don’t get it.

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Not to sound picky with this review, but how on Earth has NO ONE checked the nMP's gaming potential alongside pro apps?

It is f#$%^&g amazing with anything I've tried. Even Windows games running in Wineskins. Just for a laugh I logged onto Second Life (with 75 Mb/s FiOS) and set all graphics and rendering to Ultra and distance to Max. I could fly around and see for ever 'as smooth as silk'. OK, got to get back to organizing my Aperture libraries ....


Do I understand you correctly... You have only one New Mac Pro?
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An old saying -- going back to the halcyon days at General Motors, might apply here:

"There's no substitute for cubic inches!"

 

I missed the /s tag. My bad.

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I missed the /s tag. My bad.

I made it too small and too underneath, to coin a phrase.
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Ohhh... I missed that post by Relic. Very sorry to read that! Relic and I locked horns on a few occasions, but I really enjoyed her well-reasoned posts -- she gave as good as she got!

I also missed her post about " her first adventures at CalTech." Do you have a link -- I grew up in Pasadena a couple of miles from CalTech, and my business partner's father was a graduate.


I hope Relic recovers and contributes for many more years.


Ha! It occurs to me that Relic had more tech devices than DaHarder! -- Only hers were real!

I'll look through her posts starting about six months ago. Not all at once, but a little at a time. Maybe some search terms will come back to me. I think you will enjoy the story too.
post #57 of 115
"Beautiful," "exquisite," "sexy," "revolutionary."

Poppycock! I've been an apple fan since my Mac 128K in 1984, but my eyes are not blinded like the rest of yours are that I am unable to see how awful that reflective case looks in virtually any environment! It looks absolutely horrible! Even if I had the money and the desire to buy this machine, which I do not, I would avoid buying it for that reason alone. Put a matte finish on it with a slightly glossy coat to solve the problem, for goodness sake!

It another foolish design blunder by the very man (Ive) that we praise so much for having assisted Steve jobs in saving Apple, is that, to the objective observer, the shape of this Mac looks like a modern trashcan. I'm a firm believer in "simplicity" in design, but I also believe that the Mac Pro could've been designed in a simple fashion that did not resemble a wastebasket.

Lastly, most of us here who own high-powered Macs typically use a wide range of apps including Outlook and Photoshop and Illustrator and InDesign and Chrome and Safari and iPhoto and Aperture and Final Cut Pro 10. But in terms of a "performance boost," the only app out of that list that stands to benefit on the Mac Pro versus a high-end iMac is Final Cut Pro! There's no performance benefit, not really, to any of those other apps that we all love and use perpetually! It therefore makes no sense to pay so much money for the Mac Pro UNLESS one buys it exclusively As a Final Cut Pro editing box, or perhaps a box that runs Mathematica or certain specialized scientific apps, which many of us do not use.

Since it's clear that I myself am not interested in the Mac Pro, why have I even taken time to write this post? The reason is because I like many others wish to express disappointment in the Mac Pro. It's great for a small number of people out there, but it's not the new category of Mac but some of us have been waiting for. What I mean is, we want better cooling (to increase longevity and reduce component failures) as well as noticeably faster performance when running virtually any app under OS X.
post #58 of 115
Though it's a beautiful machine, there seems to be minimal consideration as to how cables are treated. I don't doubt much thought went into how they connect to the computer, but once connected they look like unorganized, gangly 'tendrils'. There is definitely an opportunity here for a third-party solution, but it seems Apple just stopped designing once they got to the I/O ports. They create this stunningly beautiful machine, that I want to display on my desk without interruption, yet I need my monitors, ethernet, power cable, the odd USB to iPad/iPhone cable, and audio line to connect to it and it's not pretty. Before, my Mac sat on the floor with the tangled mess nicely out of view. Now it's prominently displayed for everyone. It seems very short-sighted and un-Apple.

Also, how easy is it to swivel the tower when everything is connected, and a few of those cables are barely reaching it? A nice idea, but not as innovative as I'd like it to be. I'll need to be sure there is enough slack in the cables so everything moves as effortlessly as it was intended to be.

No, for the moment, I'll just hang on to my Mac Pro mid-2010, upgrade to a PCIe SSD and 16 GBs of RAM and dream of a more mature, a more refined, Mac Pro 2.0 'trashcan'.
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Ohhh... I missed that post by Relic. Very sorry to read that! Relic and I locked horns on a few occasions, but I really enjoyed her well-reasoned posts -- she gave as good as she got!

I also missed her post about " her first adventures at CalTech." Do you have a link -- I grew up in Pasadena a couple of miles from CalTech, and my business partner's father was a graduate.


I hope Relic recovers and contributes for many more years.


Ha! It occurs to me that Relic had more tech devices than DaHarder! -- Only hers were real!

Here it is, actually a page of Relic, including me giving her a hard time. Anyway, post #71.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158377/new-samsung-ad-knocks-iphone-language-limitations-features-goats/40
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We all have different points of view

I think the Mac Pro is a beautiful machine I can't wait for February this is when I get my machine
The small form factor is desirable for me I travel quite a bit and I can take with
Many people told me that the Mac Pro was go be very expensive how wrong they was

3.5GHz 6-core with 12MB of L3 cache
16GB (4 x 4GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
512GB PCIe-based flash storage
Dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM each £3500
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The speed advantage for the SSD by using 4x connections is ALSO present in the 1TB MacBook Pro (Retina Display). It is faster than the other MacBook Pro (Retina Display) SSD options (256GB and 512GB)
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Ohhh... I missed that post by Relic. Very sorry to read that! Relic and I locked horns on a few occasions, but I really enjoyed her well-reasoned posts -- she gave as good as she got!

I also missed her post about " her first adventures at CalTech." Do you have a link -- I grew up in Pasadena a couple of miles from CalTech, and my business partner's father was a graduate.


I hope Relic recovers and contributes for many more years.


Ha! It occurs to me that Relic had more tech devices than DaHarder! -- Only hers were real!

Here it is, actually a page of Relic, including me giving her a hard time. Anyway, post #71.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158377/new-samsung-ad-knocks-iphone-language-limitations-features-goats/40

@Flaneur

Thanks for this! It is a very enjoyable read. I lived in Pasadena from 1950 - 1963. My parents lived there until 2003. I just checked, and their house was less than 3 miles from Caltech.

I suspect that @Relic is closer to my age and we may have shared some of the same interests in the same places of Pasadena and the area in general. It would have been fun to participate in that thread and maybe draw @Relic into a little bit of nostalgics.
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So you people think Apple buying Adobe would be a good idea?  Are you not paying attention to Apple's lousy software track record?  Look how they dumbed down iMovie, Final Cut Pro, and iWork by removing features that people used to get their work done.  So you want them to strip features from Photoshop and Illustrator and then have the nerve to call them professional-grade products?  That is what would happen if Apple bought Adobe.  Now after customer backlash, Apple is working to restore the features they removed from those products.  Apple needs to stop dumbing-down all their software products.

Apple stripping features from Photoshop and Illustrator what?? Why would they do that? Adobe is the de-facto graphics software. Having the best graphics software and having the best hardware (Mac Pro) to back it up is what is should be about. Graphics started on the Mac years ago...what a great way to keep the momentum going by having Apple buy Adobe. It would make all the PeeCee users jealous as hell. And add to Apple's arsenal.

 

Apple buys Adobe.....A match made in heaven, bro.

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And the sad thing is, the price is actually not out of whack at all for what you get. In fact, it's a bargain!

No, it's not--the blogs that say it is a bargain fall all over themselves to make it look that way. However, it's kinda tough right now to build a system with 6 TB2 ports or to build such a powerful system that's that small. If that's what you need, you'll have to buy the new MP. If you've got a few custom configuration skills, you can build a more powerful and more (internally) expandable system for the same price or less.

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Had a play with one today in the Barcelona Apple store. Don't much like the glossy look, would be much better with a matte finish IMO. Otherwise it's beautiful though, and blazed through everything I did on it in FCPX for the few minutes I had.

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I laugh at those asking how it plays games. BHAHAHA!

All work and no play makes.... well you know the rest.

 

Unfortunately the Mac Pro is only good value for some professionals. Those who need more CPU than GPU power have been left with no choice but to switch operating systems or build a hackintosh.

 

One industry that's been left in a tough spot is large scale iOS app development because they're forced to use Mac hardware. If you're building dozens of apps you need as many CPU cores and as much RAM as you can throw at the problem and graphics are irrelevant. The old Xserve was the ideal machine: two CPU sockets, 12 RAM slots, multiple drive bays, rack mountable, cheap graphics designed to be used without a display attached. A single powerful machine is also the ideal from a management and administration standpoint.

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There is definitely an opportunity here for a third-party solution, but it seems Apple just stopped designing once they got to the I/O ports. They create this stunningly beautiful machine, that I want to display on my desk without interruption, yet I need my monitors, ethernet, power cable, the odd USB to iPad/iPhone cable, and audio line to connect to it and it's not pretty. Before, my Mac sat on the floor with the tangled mess nicely out of view. Now it's prominently displayed for everyone. It seems very short-sighted and un-Apple.

This woven sleeving hides bunches of cables.  It has a nice black cloth finish and is split so cables can enter and exit the bundle easily.  I used this in the post house I once managed all the time to clean the cable crap.

http://www.cableorganizer.com/woven-wrap/

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Hey Robin, Were you able to locate your friend in Switzerland? I hope so.

Best.
Thanks, no, I haven't.
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I laugh at those asking how it plays games. BHAHAHA!
All work and no play makes.... well you know the rest.

Unfortunately the Mac Pro is only good value for some professionals. Those who need more CPU than GPU power have been left with no choice but to switch operating systems or build a hackintosh.

One industry that's been left in a tough spot is large scale iOS app development because they're forced to use Mac hardware. If you're building dozens of apps you need as many CPU cores and as much RAM as you can throw at the problem and graphics are irrelevant. The old Xserve was the ideal machine: two CPU sockets, 12 RAM slots, multiple drive bays, rack mountable, cheap graphics designed to be used without a display attached. A single powerful machine is also the ideal from a management and administration standpoint.

According to what I've read. the new Mac Pro can be configured for at least $1,000 less than a DIY equivalent. For example:
  • CPU - 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
  • 64 GB of 1866 DDR ECC RAM
  • 256GB PCIe-based flash storage
  • Dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
  • 4 USB 3, 6 Thunderbolt 2, @ Gigabit Ether Net, HDMI 1.4 I/O

Prices out at $7,799.00

Apple controls the IDE/SDK for iOS app development. It is possible that Apple could maximize the "CPU Cores" of the New Mac Pro by reimplementing the iOS development software to use GPGPU computing -- where the GPUs assume some of the work of the CPUs

Honest questions:
  1. Can you build or buy an equal or better CPU, RAM, I/O combination... graphics aside?
  2. Would a GPGPU implementation of the iOS development process satisfy the needs of the "large scale iOS app development" industry?
  3. Don't you think that, with the A7 and follow-on APUs that iOS apps will become more graphic intensive -- and require GPU power for mass development and testing?

Edited by Dick Applebaum - 1/9/14 at 6:01pm
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Those who need more CPU than GPU power have been left with no choice but to switch operating systems or build a hackintosh.

One industry that's been left in a tough spot is large scale iOS app development because they're forced to use Mac hardware. If you're building dozens of apps you need as many CPU cores and as much RAM as you can throw at the problem and graphics are irrelevant.

The new one did ok with compiling:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/5

Firefox with 10 million lines of code compiled in just under 5.5 minutes. There's a chart of codebases here:

http://www.crunchyfriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1276_lines_of_code5.png

Android itself is listed as just over 10 million.

Apple uses the same CPUs as their competition and are price competitive. The only problem is topping out at 12-cores at $6500 for CPU tasks where the D300 GPU adds minimal expense and this was around the same with the old one: $6200, 12-cores. If they went 24-core, it would be over $10k and they haven't been at that price point before.

The old solution of buying more than one is still an option. Rendering, encoding, raw processing can be split across machines and IP over Thunderbolt will run at 20Gbps although will write to the SSD at around 1GB/s.
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Cool, looks promising.  

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The "excellent" value for prosumers thing is a head-scratcher. This is a machine for pros. The only reason for a prosumer to buy one is bragging rights. There's nothing really wrong with that, but a 27" iMac is a very good machine and owners do not have to pay a grand in order to have a great display and another hundred for a keyboard and mouse, and another hundred or so for storage space for all their downloaded movies.
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What is it like to use a 30 Hz display?

Choppy. Very choppy desktop experience.

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According to what I've read. the new Mac Pro can be configured for at least $1,000 less than a DIY equivalent. For example:
  • CPU - 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
  • 64 GB of 1866 DDR ECC RAM
  • 256GB PCIe-based flash storage
  • Dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
  • 4 USB 3, 6 Thunderbolt 2, @ Gigabit Ether Net, HDMI 1.4 I/O

Prices out at $7,799.00

Apple controls the IDE/SDK for iOS app development. It is possible that Apple could maximize the "CPU Cores" of the New Mac Pro by reimplementing the iOS development software to use GPGPU computing -- where the GPUs assume some of the work of the CPUs

Honest questions:
  1. Can you build or buy an equal or better CPU, RAM, I/O combination... graphics aside?
  2. Would a GPGPU implementation of the iOS development process satisfy the needs of the "large scale iOS app development" industry?
  3. Don't you think that, with the A7 and follow-on APUs that iOS apps will become more graphic intensive -- and require GPU power for mass development and testing?

 

I don't write code or manage servers so what follows is things I've heard from people closer to those jobs.

 

What I've heard is that all servers these days (file servers, web servers and possibly build servers) aren't actually dedicated pieces of equipment, but exist as virtual machines that can be independently rebooted or moved around as needed. If that's the case then the real hardware is likely running Linux or Windows Server plus VMWare. The virtual machines could easily be a combination of different OSs, Linux for web and data serving, Windows for desktop, console and Android development. I don't think you're allowed to run an OS X virtual machine on a Linux server so supporting iOS development probably means putting one or more Macs into the server room.

 

1. I've read on other sites that the Mac Pro is well priced as a workstation. As a VM host, however, it's not the most suitable form factor or configuration. I don't buy servers so I don't know how they compare price wise.

 

2. I don't think OS X, VMWare or Xcode are able to take advantage of a GPU for computing tasks. Rewriting Xcode to harness the GPU would help some developers for sure. Those running multiple projects simultaneously on virtual servers would have to weigh the benefit of faster building against the cost of buying and maintaining real hardware instead. I think big companies run their builds overnight so they would likely stick with virtual servers.

 

3. I don't know the relationship between the hardware used to write software and the hardware it eventually runs on. I think they're fairly independent.

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According to what I've read. the new Mac Pro can be configured for at least $1,000 less than a DIY equivalent. For example:
  • CPU - 2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
  • 64 GB of 1866 DDR ECC RAM
  • 256GB PCIe-based flash storage
  • Dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
  • 4 USB 3, 6 Thunderbolt 2, @ Gigabit Ether Net, HDMI 1.4 I/O


Prices out at $7,799.00


Apple controls the IDE/SDK for iOS app development. It is possible that Apple could maximize the "CPU Cores" of the New Mac Pro by reimplementing the iOS development software to use GPGPU computing -- where the GPUs assume some of the work of the CPUs


Honest questions:
  1. Can you build or buy an equal or better CPU, RAM, I/O combination... graphics aside?
  2. Would a GPGPU implementation of the iOS development process satisfy the needs of the "large scale iOS app development" industry?
  3. Don't you think that, with the A7 and follow-on APUs that iOS apps will become more graphic intensive -- and require GPU power for mass development and testing?

I don't write code or manage servers so what follows is things I've heard from people closer to those jobs.

What I've heard is that all servers these days (file servers, web servers and possibly build servers) aren't actually dedicated pieces of equipment, but exist as virtual machines that can be independently rebooted or moved around as needed. If that's the case then the real hardware is likely running Linux or Windows Server plus VMWare. The virtual machines could easily be a combination of different OSs, Linux for web and data serving, Windows for desktop, console and Android development. I don't think you're allowed to run an OS X virtual machine on a Linux server so supporting iOS development probably means putting one or more Macs into the server room.

1. I've read on other sites that the Mac Pro is well priced as a workstation. As a VM host, however, it's not the most suitable form factor or configuration. I don't buy servers so I don't know how they compare price wise.

2. I don't think OS X, VMWare or Xcode are able to take advantage of a GPU for computing tasks. Rewriting Xcode to harness the GPU would help some developers for sure. Those running multiple projects simultaneously on virtual servers would have to weigh the benefit of faster building against the cost of buying and maintaining real hardware instead. I think big companies run their builds overnight so they would likely stick with virtual servers.

3. I don't know the relationship between the hardware used to write software and the hardware it eventually runs on. I think they're fairly independent.


Good points all....

I guess the answer is "it depends".


Here's an interesting read – it compares upgraded older Mac Pros against the new Mac Pro and running various benchmarks. The last comparison is an Xcode job.


http://www.macworld.com/article/2084814/breathing-new-life-into-old-mac-pros.html
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"The thickness on these circuit boards harkens back to a time before personal computing. Very thick and durable."

They are thicker because they are multilayer boards.
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"Beautiful," "exquisite," "sexy," "revolutionary."

Poppycock! I've been an apple fan since my Mac 128K in 1984, but my eyes are not blinded like the rest of yours are that I am unable to see how awful that reflective case looks in virtually any environment! It looks absolutely horrible! Even if I had the money and the desire to buy this machine, which I do not, I would avoid buying it for that reason alone. Put a matte finish on it with a slightly glossy coat to solve the problem, for goodness sake!
 

looking at the first picture in the article, all I could think of was that guy selling a tea kettle on eBay a few years back...

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Thanks, no, I haven't.

 

 
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Hey Robin, Were you able to locate your friend in Switzerland? I hope so.

Best.

Phil Boogie steered him to this thread started by relic, which i'm sorry to say was probably among her last words with us on this earth.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158838/well-it-looks-like-im-no-longer-in-remission

 

Robin, did you see this? It's from Flaneur. I'm so sorry.

 

Chris

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Phil Boogie steered him to this thread started by relic, which i'm sorry to say was probably among her last words with us on this earth.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158838/well-it-looks-like-im-no-longer-in-remission

She really was a delightful person. I became very fond of her after she told us of her first adventures at CalTech.

Thx. Flaneur. Really sorry about Relic. 

 

Best Regards.

 

Chris

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Thx. Flaneur. Really sorry about Relic. 

Best Regards.

Chris

Thank you, Chris, and for following up with Robin as well.

It's strange how we can form attachments through this forum. I was glad rhat Robin could provide a name and place for Relic. It made such a difference somehow.
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