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post #81 of 115
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.

Three grand sounds cheep to me.
post #82 of 115
The distinctive feature of this review is that it is the first to have both default Mac Pros (4-core D300 and 6-core D500) available for comparison. So, what I would then like to know is:

* Is the D500 Mac noisier than the D300? (The D500 has much higher power consumption than the D300.)

* Is the D300 faster or slower than the D500 at graphics operations / gaming etc. What are the actual timings? The D300 has a higher clock speed ... the D500 is better at double-precision numerics (but few apps use that at the moment).

Timings please!
post #83 of 115

> I have a wireless MFC Brother printer plugged in in a closet. 

 

That's dumb ... why nuke your brain and body with wireless radiation, when you have no need to.  

post #84 of 115
Originally Posted by wozwoz View Post

That's dumb ... why nuke your brain and body with wireless radiation, when you have no need to.  

 

Because he’s not suffering from paranoid delusions.

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post #85 of 115
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As more time passes, I become more and more frustrated with Adobe and think your suggestion that Apple purchase them makes sense. It would be an excellent strategic acquisition for Apple, in software names (PhotoShop, Premiere, etc.) and IP.  Those could be migrated to (or at least optimized for) Mac-Only platforms to drive yet more business to the hardware side.  Further, it could diversify their software portfolio and provide revenue from the PC platform, if they were inclined to keep it.  I think the price tag might be larger than they are normally interested in, but I'd rather they spend it there than line Icahn's pockets with stock buybacks/manipulations.

 

Meh, other than PhotoShop, I don't know of an Adobe app that isn't a middle-of the road "me too" product. Flash is decent for development, but it's resource intensive and a good javascript or openCL-based application suite may soon replace it -- someone just needs to make it. But it's hardly worth the tens of billions the company would demand to buy outright.

 

For my dollar -- I'd rather have discontinued FreeHand than illustrator -- it's still awful and cumbersome.

 

Buying Premiere or any of the other apps would be a premium from offerings that are relatively as good. Aperture is only an update behind Light Room (OK, Apple looks like they've been distracted for a couple years).

 

Their desktop publishing apps are good. Apple's Pages is "OK" but useful for a mass market of non-pro designers.

 

But really, the mindshare of Adobe is greater than it's economic share. As a for-profit company, it's hard to think of an acquisition making more money than just spending the same money on developing the next-gen creative device.

 

Personally, I'd drop Flash development in a heartbeat if they made an OpenCl/OpenGL development suite for real time effects with something like Quartz Composer and a Javascript platform export (using OpenCL for cross platform at least on more advanced browsers). The future of multimedia is in graphics that interact with the user and Apple has already bought the Kinnect group.

 

Adobe has solid products even if they aren't optimized for the Mac anymore -- but they don't have a future growth potential that would make business sense for an outfit like Apple.

post #86 of 115
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Because he’s not suffering from paranoid delusions.

Maybe the side-effect of the radio waves is to make people docile and non-paranoid!

 

:smokey:

post #87 of 115
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Originally Posted by Cru11er View Post

While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.

Three grand sounds cheep to me.

 

Funny though, with how the economy has treated me, $3000 for a computer was MORE affordable in 1993 than it is now in 2014.

 

:grumble:

post #88 of 115
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For my dollar -- I'd rather have discontinued FreeHand than illustrator -- it's still awful and cumbersome.

 

 

FreeHand was a wonderful app --- and Adobe purchased it and then killed it. Off topic - I know - but I am still angry about that.

post #89 of 115
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FreeHand was a wonderful app --- and Adobe purchased it and then killed it. Off topic - I know - but I am still angry about that.

 

Yeah, but where else are you going to find sympathy for a Freehand rant!

;)

 

I still can't get used to how Illustrator forces you to select the whole object or every dang point in the object. It's a total PIA for masked shapes and anything of complexity. FreeHand was much better at selection, masking and embedding. And a bit faster unless you looked at things in full preview or "flash" mode -- but still faster for anything very complex. If I could only get the last version released, I'd take that over modern illustrator any day. Like using Microsoft Office in 2005 is so much more productive than Microsoft Office with that Ribbon interface!

 

>> OK, this was all completely off topic. But the Ribbon came from the depths of Hades with it's evil devil baby the Metro interface!!!

post #90 of 115
Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner View Post
Maybe the side-effect of the radio waves is to make people docile and non-paranoid!

 


YES. I’ve always loved that theory.

 

Wi-Fi DOES send out radiation detectable by humans, but the only effect of the radiation is to make those affected believe that the radiation is harmful. :lol:

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post #91 of 115
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The distinctive feature of this review is that it is the first to have both default Mac Pros (4-core D300 and 6-core D500) available for comparison. So, what I would then like to know is:

* Is the D500 Mac noisier than the D300? (The D500 has much higher power consumption than the D300.)

* Is the D300 faster or slower than the D500 at graphics operations / gaming etc. What are the actual timings? The D300 has a higher clock speed ... the D500 is better at double-precision numerics (but few apps use that at the moment).

Timings please!

 

The D500s do not trigger the internal fan profile unless under extreme load. The thermal design is good enough to deal with pretty much anything on both these machines; I couldn't even get it to spin up to 5,000 RPMs (which would be pretty fast for a fan this size).  Basically, it's just as quiet as the D300s. Putting my hand over the top vent, the D500 Pro blew hotter air under load, but not substantially. 

 

From what I understand, one card is normally tasked with powering the Sharp 4K, which leaves a single GPU to handle computation. With the additional processing headroom, it takes more for the D500 to start swapping tasks back to the first card tiling the 4K display than the same operation on the D300. Two compute cards run hotter than one and a half or so. My theory is that, despite the slightly hotter baseline operating temp, the net heat from both cards when running a 4K display is actually cooler for the D500 under heavy load. 

post #92 of 115
I"m not sure this was the Mac Pro thread that aftermarket PCI3 SSDs for Macs were discussed but I'm posting it here anyway…

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post #93 of 115
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Thank you, Chris, and for following up with Robin as well.

It's strange how we can form attachments through this forum. I was glad rhat Robin could provide a name and place for Relic. It made such a difference somehow.

Thanks Flan....When I read Robin's post reaching out for any thread of contact. For some reason, it really pulled at my heart strings. 

 

It may sound silly, but I remember seeing Relic's posts and although I had no direct contact with her, I felt a connection.

 

Yep, sounds silly! :)

 

Best regards.

post #94 of 115
My condolences it's always sad when we lose a friend and family member we all have lost somebody On a positive note I wait for my Mac Pro to arrive . In the meantime I've been looking at many reviews like this one http://youtu.be/mK7X8rDHU58

http://youtu.be/TdLOh8MdU20
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post #95 of 115

That is great if you have the money to buy it.

post #96 of 115
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Originally Posted by Cru11er View Post

While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.

Three grand sounds cheep to me.

 

Same here - I remember paying USD 3900 for an Apple IIGS, and a similar amount for my Quadra 605 in mid-90s...

iMac Intel 27" Core i7 3.4, 16GB RAM, 120GB SSD + 1TB HD + 4TB RAID 1+0, Nuforce Icon HDP, OS X 10.9.1; iPad Air 64GB; iPhone 5 32GB; iPod Classic; iPod Nano 4G; Apple TV 2.
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iMac Intel 27" Core i7 3.4, 16GB RAM, 120GB SSD + 1TB HD + 4TB RAID 1+0, Nuforce Icon HDP, OS X 10.9.1; iPad Air 64GB; iPhone 5 32GB; iPod Classic; iPod Nano 4G; Apple TV 2.
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post #97 of 115
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Originally Posted by Cru11er View Post

While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.

Three grand sounds cheep to me.

Yeah same here $3500 for Quadra 840av!

 

But you know I think some people are not seeing what Apple really did for some people out there:

 

They made another really cool product for us to buy that is also useful and can make money in return.

 

The classic rule:

“You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”

- Lincoln

 

Applies...

Adobe Systems - "Preventing the Case-Sensitive revolution everyday..."
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post #98 of 115
"All this change comes at a price, however, in both unit cost and usability. Starting at $3,000 for a base machine, Apple is certainly not targeting the everyday consumer."

Just so everyone is aware, this is the same price as the original MP base model once inflation is accounted for.
post #99 of 115
"Apple includes a bank of LEDs behind the rear panel that light up automatically when the computer is swivelled"

So is it on rollers or similar? Does it actually swivel on some sort of mechanism, or do you just turn it around like you were turning around a telephone or such?
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"Apple includes a bank of LEDs behind the rear panel that light up automatically when the computer is swivelled"

So is it on rollers or similar? Does it actually swivel on some sort of mechanism, or do you just turn it around like you were turning around a telephone or such?

 

Like a phone.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #101 of 115
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Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post

"All this change comes at a price, however, in both unit cost and usability. Starting at $3,000 for a base machine, Apple is certainly not targeting the everyday consumer."

Just so everyone is aware, this is the same price as the original MP base model once inflation is accounted for.

 

It's only slightly more than my first Mac... a Mac Plus.

 

My iPhone is more powerful than the MacPlus.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #102 of 115
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Mickey, amazing work in these article.

I just got a phone call, that a good friend of mine got one. Since he do a lot of tv commercials he buy the model with D700 and 32 of ram. He cry to me on the phone, and told me that he run out of money to get a 4k display. "Apple monitors will do perfect for the moment until mid year..." he said. But one think he told me.... It is amazing playing games pass dinner time!!!..

Thanks for the review.

Happy New Year to all!

He should take a note of Dell's upcoming $699,- 28" 4K monitor then :)

 

Although there is a reason for the low price. Some can live with that configuration though...

"
Dell already offers some Ultra HD monitors, including a 32 inch and 28 inch models — but they sell for for $3500 and $1300, respectively.

Update: There’s a reason this model will be priced so much lower. It has a TN display which won’t have the same wide viewing angles as an IPS display. And it has a screen refresh rate of 30Hz at 3840 x 2160 pixel resolutions. If you set the resolution to 1920 x 1080 it will function as a 60Hz screen."

post #103 of 115

Actually, the PCIe SSD replacement is in fact in the foreseeable future. OWC says they'll have them in Q3.

 

And Apple already has directions on their website for users to swap them out.


Treating pros like pros.

 

As for Adobe, Pixelmator 3.1 has optimizations for the Mac Pro (16 bit color, and dual GPU acceleration for everything). That ought to light a fire under Adobe to make Photoshop CC better at OpenCL and multi-core support.

post #104 of 115
Eagerly awaiting my new Mac Pro. This Apple Insider review by Mikey Campbell is truly 5 star! Super writing, photos, insight, the whole deal.
post #105 of 115
mine

Hopefully to get my mac pro soon
post #106 of 115
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Originally Posted by wozwoz View Post
That's dumb ... why nuke your brain and body with wireless radiation, when you have no need to.  

 

Because physics.

 

If the wavelength is longer than the purple end of the spectrum, there is, literally, no way that it can "nuke" you.

 

Only when you get into the UV range that the photons have enough energy to move around links in the DNA. So UV, x-rays, gammas, bad. Yellow, infra-red, radio waves, zero effect. WiFi is radio.

post #107 of 115
Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post

WiFi is radio.

 

But… it gigahurts!

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post #108 of 115

Maury, you might well want to catch up on your reading ... in particular the published research showing that mobile and wi-fi radiation damage genomes (DNA). Here is a starter:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17187929

post #109 of 115
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Maury, you might well want to catch up on your reading ... in particular the published research showing that mobile and wi-fi radiation damage genomes (DNA). Here is a starter:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17187929

It was interesting reading
about 10-15 years ago
I tried a Bluetooth headset gave me a headache I tried a different one several years later that also gave me a headache . I was told it wasn't the Bluetooth give me a headache !!
post #110 of 115

Interesting ... Bluetooth also effects me. I was at my aunty today, helping her out on her iMac. She uses it with the Apple wireless keyboard and trackpad ... and within a few minutes, my head was affected. It is not really a headache (frontal lobes), but rather a sort of buzzing that I get in my head, especially near the ear canals. Once started, it can take an hour or two to 'clear'. It may be genetic, as my brother is also affected in the same way by mobile phones near the head, wi-fi near the head, and sitting near Bluetooth antennae.

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Originally Posted by wozwoz View Post
mobile and wi-fi radiation damage genomes (DNA). 

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Oh, that’s rich.

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post #112 of 115
Umm, where is the Bluetooth 4.1 Apple, which is JUST a software/firmware update?

http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Press-Releases-Detail.aspx?ItemID=197

post #113 of 115
You say maxing out memory at 64gb needs registered memory..does that mean it has to be apple memory only ? or we can use third party after purchase?

Does any one know if it will take 2400mhz memory at all>
post #114 of 115

Is third party memory upgrades work on this? there was one area where it specifically said maxing out needs registered memory..

performance wise does a 12 core proc work better than a 6 core or 8 core higher freq. proc? (assuming the programs being used are written for multi threading?)

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Originally Posted by nairfotografia View Post
You say maxing out memory at 64gb needs registered memory..does that mean it has to be apple memory only ? or we can use third party after purchase?

 

OWC sells the right kind, and as long as you know the specs, anyone else might, too.

 

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory#1866-memory

 

Theoretically you can use higher-clocked RAM, as it should automatically downclock, but I wouldn’t; it’s a waste.

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