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While research firms Gartner and IDC have very different projections on how Apple's Mac lineup performed in the holiday quarter, both sides can agree on one thing: PC shipments continued to shrink over the holidays, as consumers once again opted for tablets over traditional computers.

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HP remains a leader in the shrinking traditional PC market.


This week IDC and Gartner both reported year-over-year declines in PC shipments for the just-concluded December quarter. Wall Street analysts reacted on Friday, noting that market declines are largely attributable to consumers who have been buying tablets, such as Apple's market leading iPad, rather than upgrading their outdated PCs.

"In the U.S. and Europe, tablets were one of the hottest holiday items, and in emerging markets, consumers are increasingly choosing tablets as their computing device, impacting PC sales," Maynard Um of Wells Fargo said in a note to investors provided to AppleInsider. "We believe the PC industry needs to innovate more aggressively in terms of capabilities and/or software beyond form factor changes to be competitive in the consumer market."

Um said shipment declines were moderated because of some strength in the corporate sector. In particular, some businesses are said to be upgrading from Microsoft's Windows XP operating system ahead of support being discontinued in April 2014.

He believes enterprise PC sales may also have benefitted from companies going through a "year-end budget flush," particularly in Europe. And he cited an improving economy and favorable currency in Japan as helping to drive corporate PC upgrades.

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Still, IDC reported that total worldwide PC shipments were off 5.6 percent year over year in the December quarter, while Gartner's estimates saw a 6.9 percent year over year decline in the same three-month period. Um felt those results were largely in line with market expectations, though Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley said she viewed IDC's 5.6 percent estimate as "slightly better" than she expected.

Like Um, Huberty also latched onto the fact that consumer PC demand remains weak, and is the primary cause for continuing market decline. Huberty also noted that IDC cited Lenovo and Samsung seeing strong growth for low-cost notebooks based on the Google Chrome operating system, though she feels Chromebook shipments "remain too strong to materially impact overall results."

While IDC and Gartner did agree on overall market trends, the two research firms had wildly different assumptions on Apple's domestic Mac sales for the quarter. While Gartner projected that Apple saw a massive 28.5 percent year over year spike in U.S. shipments, IDC instead forecast that Mac sales dropped 5.7 percent for the quarter in America.

Apple will report total worldwide Mac sales later this month, during the company's quarterly earnings report on Jan. 27. However, the discrepancy between IDC and Gartner's domestic estimates may not be resolved, as Apple does not traditionally break down sales of its products on a country-by-country basis, citing competitive reasons.
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We're getting very close to not needing a PC/laptop.

 

My GF just got a new iPad.

 

Over the holidays, I revamped all her work spreadsheets from excel (Ugh!) to Numbers.

 

I simplified and standardized them, added formulas, made them all the same orientation, fonts, titles, added colors, etc. Made them all fit on one page. All in Numbers.

 

I did that on my iMac and now she has them all in iCloud (and DropBox) and on her new iPhone 5c and on her work PC (iCloud). She has to use her work Windows PC (Ugh!) b/c the d**kh**d's in IT won't let her connect her iPad or iPhone to their WiFi! (Ugh!)

 

She loves how professional they look compared to excel. And how easy it is to keep them all sync'd automatically. Also, she had a devil of a time just getting them to print in excel. It seems they wouldn't print the same way twice, especially when she had to use diff. printers!

 

She's really impressed she doesn't have to hit "Save" anymore (Something she often forgot to do). But most of all she likes how "pretty" they are! Chicks! :)

 

She says, she actually enjoys updating them.

 

She's proud to share them with her co-workers. A couple of steps to print or a couple of steps to email. They call them her "fancy" reports! :)

 

What Apple has done with the iWork suite is nothing short of brilliant. 

 

She wanted a BT Keyboard b/c she writes a lot of emails. I'm not a big fan of keyboards for iPads. I prefer it "naked." But I have to admit, it's pretty impressive. We got her a logitech folio with a white "rubbery" KB. And it works really well.

 

She says it's the best "laptop" she's ever had! :)

 

Best


Edited by christopher126 - 1/10/14 at 7:20am
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We are getting very close to not needing a PC/laptop.

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Agreed... MS office is getting long in the tooth and it is difficult to change it's architecture and UI.

Apple's iWork has a much nicer UI and modern architecture.

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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad. I haven't used Numbers on a Mac, hopefully it works better there. Excel is still the gold standard and if pretty is important it's not that hard to make "pretty" charts. I dislike Microsofts tinkering with the interface though, but then Apple did the same thing with IOS7. I dislike Windows, especially Win8 and its stupid charm bar. It might work with a touch interface but is horrible with a mouse. I do wonder how much of the market decline and the switch to Apple is due to people avoiding Win8.
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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad. I haven't used Numbers on a Mac, hopefully it works better there. Excel is still the gold standard and if pretty is important it's not that hard to make "pretty" charts. I dislike Microsofts tinkering with the interface though, but then Apple did the same thing with IOS7. I dislike Windows, especially Win8 and its stupid charm bar. It might work with a touch interface but is horrible with a mouse. I do wonder how much of the market decline and the switch to Apple is due to people avoiding Win8.

I agree tjwal...Numbers is not for the Pro's as far as spreadsheets go, or so I've read. (I'm not a spreadsheet pro.)

 

But once they are set-up, (iMac) they're pretty easy to keep updated on the iPad. And it forces you to keep things simple.

 

I think most average users find excel unnecessarily difficult to use, and they often don't get to making them look pretty. Or even printed in the "center of the page," for that matter! :)

 

I'm pretty adept, for a casual user, but I find excel, and all MS sw from Hotmail (back in the day) to excel, unintuitive and clumsy. Often times it would take me so many diff. attempts to fix something, I couldn't remember what I did to fix it! :)

 

I remember talking to our IT people at work at how great Apple's were. I used the only one in our two buildings. They looked at me like I was speaking Chinese! These guys preferred to use the Command line to print something! :)

 

Best.

 

P.S. It was Macintosh Classic with Claris (or was it AppleWorks?). It had a tiny screen and I was using it to do 11x17 Flow Charts/reports. I made quite an impression on the executive staff and the Director. She wanted to look at my reports first and spent the most time on them. I ended up working for her specifically, going around to different departments, putting out "fires!" Thanks SJ! :)


Edited by christopher126 - 1/10/14 at 7:53am
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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad.

 

Well, that’s wrong.

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Like Um, Huberty also latched onto the fact that consumer PC demand remains weak, and is the primary cause for continuing market decline. Huberty also noted that IDC cited Lenovo and Samsung seeing strong growth for low-cost notebooks based on the Google Chrome operating system, though she feels Chromebook shipments "remain too strong to materially impact overall results."


Mmm… Chromebook nowhere to go but nowhere!
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Well, that’s wrong.

You didn't call him a "moron," Skil.

 

In fact, you haven't called someone a moron or told them to "shut up" for a while now.

 

Everyday is a "new record!" :)

 

Good job! :)

 

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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad. I haven't used Numbers on a Mac, hopefully it works better there. Excel is still the gold standard and if pretty is important it's not that hard to make "pretty" charts. I dislike Microsofts tinkering with the interface though, but then Apple did the same thing with IOS7. I dislike Windows, especially Win8 and its stupid charm bar. It might work with a touch interface but is horrible with a mouse. I do wonder how much of the market decline and the switch to Apple is due to people avoiding Win8.

Go through the tutorial with an open mind.  

Let go of the old Lotus 123 and Microsoft Excel paradigm for a moment and discover what spreadsheets can really do.

You will be pleasantly surprise with what you can do on an iPhone.  It's really amazing.

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Somehow this will only spell doom for Apple. Just because.

We'll find out who's more accurate when Apple announces quarterly results.
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Go through the tutorial with an open mind.  

Let go of the old Lotus 123 and Microsoft Excel paradigm for a moment and discover what spreadsheets can really do.

You will be pleasantly surprise with what you can do on an iPhone.  It's really amazing.

I agree, Applesauce. 

 

I know a lot people think that the new iWork is a step backwards. But I think the ease of use and the syncing between all devices is just amazing!

 

Plus iWork keeps you in Apple "eco-system!" Which makes emailing, printing, sharing, saving, accessing, updating, etc., etc., so, so easy! :) 

 

Best.

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Here’s an idea, just stop being an idiot. If you can’t comprehend why I tell certain accounts to shut up and go away, should you real be commenting on the happening thereof at all? 

 

“A while now,” by the way, is yesterday. You’d do well to actually fight against the troll accounts instead of this nonsense.

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Somehow this will only spell doom for Apple. Just because.

We'll find out who's more accurate when Apple announces quarterly results.

Would China Mobile channel fill be in this upcoming quarterly or finalized too late and appearing in the next?
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Go through the tutorial with an open mind.  

Let go of the old Lotus 123 and Microsoft Excel paradigm for a moment and discover what spreadsheets can really do.

You will be pleasantly surprise with what you can do on an iPhone.  It's really amazing.

 



I have set up a couple of spreadsheets on an iPad. If you have more than a couple of dozen numbers to deal with you will want a keypad and a bigger display.
I'm not a power user but even my small spreadsheets are bigger than that.
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Here’s an idea, just stop being an idiot. If you can’t comprehend why I tell certain accounts to shut up and go away, should you real be commenting on the happening thereof at all? 

 

“A while now,” by the way, is yesterday. You’d do well to actually fight against the troll accounts instead of this nonsense.

Idiot?

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Well, that’s wrong.

 

I suppose it all depends on what one thinks of as a "proper" spreadsheet. For my analytical work Numbers does not cover many features that I actually need and use. The latest dumbed down update has certainly not helped matters.

 

As a product, when used for genuine professional use Excel is a mightily powerful tool and MS actually deserves credit for it.

 

Excel is not designed for the home user who simply wants to balance their cheque book or to create a shopping list, sadly most people use it for "work" like this.

 

Numbers on the Mac is fine, it covers the basics and for most people that is all they will ever need. On the iPad it's genuinely impressive, but is not and likely never will be a true excel replacement.

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Mmm… Chromebook nowhere to go but nowhere!

Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.

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Numbers on the iPad is absolutely the best experience I have ever had working on a spreadsheet. I still prefer my MacBook Air for work, however, because Apple refuses to put any SDcard or USB/Thunderbolt inputs on their iPads. I am holding out hope that Apple will decide to do that with their rumored iPad Pro. A lack of expandable memory, I believe, is the number one reason a consumer would choose another tablet option. You are absolutely correct, christopher126, IT guys are jerks with the wi-fi passwords. Short of that though, syncing between all our Apple devices is a charm using iCloud or Dropbox. Even on my old iPhone 4, which I used to write this comment.
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Mmm… Chromebook nowhere to go but nowhere!
Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.

Sure... How about a link to a reliable/verifiable source of sell-through to end users!

Without that, my SWAG opinion is as good/bad as anyone else's!

Here' some links that give some insight into how to evaluate the "numbers" that seem to tell whatever story that suits the agenda of the author:


http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/07/android-market-share-smartphone-users-google-apple

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/09/market-share-smartphones-iphone-android-windows
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Gartner's charts have a note at the bottom that reads: "Data includes desk-based PCs and mobile PCs, including mini-notebooks, but not media tablets such as the iPad."

Ebook readers are "media tablets".

Inexpensive tablets that only play audio and video media are "media tablets".

But tablets like the iPad, full-Android tablets, and Microsoft Surface, as NOT "media tablets"!

Those tablets are full Personal Computers because they have the same productivity capabilities as desktop and notebook PCs. They should be included in the calculations.

Even the fact that people are buying tablets as replacements for notebook PCs, should make that apparent. Sales of notebook PCs have been steadily declining over the past few years (after a long run of annual increases), while sales of tablets have been steadily increasing.

A "PC" is not dependent on what operating system it runs, but on its capabilities as a personal computer.

Initially, Personal Computers ran DOS-type operating systems (MS-DOS, Apple-DOS, etc.) run by command line.

Did we disqualify desktop computers as PC's when they ran new GUI operating systems? Nope!

Did we disqualify notebook PCs, because they were not the desktop PCs that we were used to, and were less powerful than desktops? Nope.

What we are seeing now with tablets is the next generation of Personal Computers. Anyone who cannot see the obvious is living in denial.
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Well , I'm a Mac user from the beginning in 1985 with a 110 Volt version Macintosh . In Europe we are working with 240 Volt .
I've tried so many time to go over to Windows 98 , windows 7 and 8 . It is disaster , always looking where can I find this or that .
Wasting of time .

Then I tried a Sony Xperia go with Android latest version. When I went on holidays to Cyprus I was reading a 150 pages manual in the plane and even the basics I couldn't find in the manuals . After 5 months I give it up and I've bought an Iphone 4S .
A manual what is that ? I didn't need it .
My son he has a Windows phone and whit the same frustration .

I've wasted so many hours that if I calculate the hours , I could by a nice car.
MS office , please take RAGTIME 6.5 . That is also an office software , but with the same power and easier to use .

Conclusion : with an Android of Windows gsm or tablet or computer , I have this expression :

You can be very busy without doing nothing serious .
With an Apple , you can move forward .

An apple product cost a little bit more, but it works and you don't need PROZAC .

All the best from someone in Belgium .

The country with the best beers and best chocolat and so much more .
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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad.

 

Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a smartphone.

Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on the web.

Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real with a GUI.

Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a PC.

Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a minicomputer.

 

The game remains the same, only the players have changed... when will people stop falling into this trap and get out of the way of the people that are actually doing real things?

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LOL. "Real spreadsheets" can't stop PC shipments from sliding.

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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad.

Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a smartphone.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on the web.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real with a GUI.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a PC.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a minicomputer.

The game remains the same, only the players have changed... when will people stop falling into this trap and get out of the way of the people that are actually doing real things?

We'll, it's obvious...

None of those has a proper OS.
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post #26 of 42
Excel probably is better than numbers but it is still possible to do one good with numbers and most people either don't care which prefer numbers or have not tried numbers.
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Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad. I haven't used Numbers on a Mac, hopefully it works better there. Excel is still the gold standard and if pretty is important it's not that hard to make "pretty" charts. I dislike Microsofts tinkering with the interface though, but then Apple did the same thing with IOS7. I dislike Windows, especially Win8 and its stupid charm bar. It might work with a touch interface but is horrible with a mouse. I do wonder how much of the market decline and the switch to Apple is due to people avoiding Win8.

 

In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like. 

 

Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.

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iPad is replacing pcS at home. PC shipmens will drop. What % of PC sales are for households? Expect that to drop to a fraction as iPads replace them.

Apple will have a laptop that is more iPad than Mac (or a PC) soon and that will sway those people who thing an ipad isn't powerful enough. It may be a few years, but it's coming.

Consumers don't need PCs. Business do (mostly). The PC era is coming to an end.
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What Apple has done with the iWork suite is nothing short of brilliant. 

 

Silly rabbit, everyone knows that a PC running Office is required for Real Work (TM).

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Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.

Google should release actual numbers then. Otherwise it's smoke and mirrors.
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We'll, it's obvious...

None of those has a proper OS.

OS X for iPhone coming soon! /s
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In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like. 

 

Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.

 



Actually I like change as long as it is for the better. Abandoning a desktop or decent laptop to do s spreadsheet on an iPad doesn't pass that test. I do write reports in my job, I wouldn't even want to try doing that on an iPad. Cutting and pasting from spreadsheets or copying sections from other reports, web pages etc demands a lot more real estate than an iPad can provide. I can't imagine anyone in my office being able to efficiently do their work on an iPad. There is a heck of a lot to most work besides filling out timesheets,reading reports, responding to emails and chatting with collegues. If that's all you did, if you worked for me you wouldn't have lasted a week let alone 34 years.
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OS X for iPhone coming soon! /s

There are open source projects to port Darwin to ARM since Apple has yet to release the source code to parts of iOS:

http://winocm.com/projects/research/2013/11/22/milestone-one/

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I suppose it all depends on what one thinks of as a "proper" spreadsheet. For my analytical work Numbers does not cover many features that I actually need and use. The latest dumbed down update has certainly not helped matters.

As a product, when used for genuine professional use Excel is a mightily powerful tool and MS actually deserves credit for it.

Excel is not designed for the home user who simply wants to balance their cheque book or to create a shopping list, sadly most people use it for "work" like this.

Numbers on the Mac is fine, it covers the basics and for most people that is all they will ever need. On the iPad it's genuinely impressive, but is not and likely never will be a true excel replacement.

While I do agree with you and am a Excel "power user" (whatever that is), I don't expect any company will ever get close to doing what Excel can do. However, if the old 80/20 rule applies (80% of the users only use 20% of the power of Excel), then implementing the right 20% of the function can steal 80% of the customers.

Apple has a good start on that 20% and can rule the market if done right. I do agree with another poster who mentioned that Apple Numbers makes better looking spreadsheets by an unsophisticated user than Excel by a similar user. Excel can produce really professional spreadsheets, but it takes a very skilled Excel user to make that happen.
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In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like. 

 

Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.

 



Actually I like change as long as it is for the better. Abandoning a desktop or decent laptop to do s spreadsheet on an iPad doesn't pass that test. I do write reports in my job, I wouldn't even want to try doing that on an iPad. Cutting and pasting from spreadsheets or copying sections from other reports, web pages etc demands a lot more real estate than an iPad can provide. I can't imagine anyone in my office being able to efficiently do their work on an iPad. There is a heck of a lot to most work besides filling out timesheets,reading reports, responding to emails and chatting with collegues. If that's all you did, if you worked for me you wouldn't have lasted a week let alone 34 years.

 

Well, my “real” work consisted of maintaining the telephone switch so you could make your phone calls in and out of your office, not writing reports and using the computer I was issued, and that’s my point. You can’t imagine “real” work other than your own and how you have traditionally performed it. You don’t need a traditional PC to do most “real” work anymore, including yours. A tablet will do most of it and that’s why PC sales are declining. Claiming you can’t do a “real” spreadsheet on a tablet doesn’t change that fact.

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Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.

And what percentage of profit or $sales?

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Gartner's charts have a note at the bottom that reads: "Data includes desk-based PCs and mobile PCs, including mini-notebooks, but not media tablets such as the iPad."

Ebook readers are "media tablets".

Inexpensive tablets that only play audio and video media are "media tablets".

But tablets like the iPad, full-Android tablets, and Microsoft Surface, as NOT "media tablets"!

Those tablets are full Personal Computers because they have the same productivity capabilities as desktop and notebook PCs. They should be included in the calculations.

Even the fact that people are buying tablets as replacements for notebook PCs, should make that apparent. Sales of notebook PCs have been steadily declining over the past few years (after a long run of annual increases), while sales of tablets have been steadily increasing.

A "PC" is not dependent on what operating system it runs, but on its capabilities as a personal computer.

Initially, Personal Computers ran DOS-type operating systems (MS-DOS, Apple-DOS, etc.) run by command line.

Did we disqualify desktop computers as PC's when they ran new GUI operating systems? Nope!

Did we disqualify notebook PCs, because they were not the desktop PCs that we were used to, and were less powerful than desktops? Nope.

What we are seeing now with tablets is the next generation of Personal Computers. Anyone who cannot see the obvious is living in denial.

What I think it's unfair is to add chrome books as computers as their crippled OS lets you do even less than iPad / android (they are essentially a web browser) it's like the juju tablet
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64Bit ARM, Stacked DDR RAM, 12" iPad.

 

All these means Apple will be moving their iPad and iPhone from a Content Consuming Devices to a Content Producing Devices. And Replace most of the Jobs that Cheap Notebook / Netbook do.

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Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.


The 21% marketshare figure you're quoting refers to commercial channel sales to businesses and institutions (like schools) through specialist wholesalers only. Retail sales though normal consumer channels are not included. The source is from NPD here.
Edited by Ration Al - 1/10/14 at 8:41pm
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That laptop... Why put the trackpad on the left? It doesn't make sense.

About the spreadsheets. Numbers can't be used for spreadsheets just a thousand entries long. It's too slow to load.

http://mjtsai.com/blog/2013/10/27/numbers-13-performance/

Minutes vs seconds for Excel.

And it becomes unusable really quickly when adding lots of data. No company will use it until it can compete with Excel.
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post
That laptop... Why put the trackpad on the left? It doesn't make sense.

 

Huh? It’s in the center, which is better than most PC laptops, which do put it off-center.

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