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Who names stuff at Microsoft? Their names are always terrible.

 

Steve Ballmer's final act of defiance?

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post #42 of 82

I really liked Cortana's voice and personality in the Halo games. I don't find Siri very likeable. But it comes down to the comprehension and info retrieval capabilities more than the personality I guess.

post #43 of 82

Microsoft just doesn't have any original ideas do they?

 

Always copying Apple, from the day they left the C-Prompt they haven't had a single original idea !

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It's the blue girl of death!
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Someone put this up the other day. It bears repeating:


To be fair, men just act stupid to attract women and the craziest ones fall for it. Whether it's Siri, Cortana, whatever, we guys will always be the same:

post #46 of 82
Microsoft just can't stop trying to ruin everything that is Halo.
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In defense of Cortana, she sacrificed herself to save Master Chief and the rest of humanity. 1wink.gif
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The last place I worked was a full Microsoft shop.  Two or three years ago they installed Microsoft's communication system linking the phones with Outlook.  One of the "features":  when a phone message was left an email was sent to you with a translation of the message into text.  Even though I would know who the message was from and thus have a fair idea of what the topic would be, it was completely impossible to understand --  it was hilarious and made absolutely no sense at all.  I have no idea how many speech to text tools that MS may have, but if this was their core engine for translating, then Cortana could well be enormously entertaining. 

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Originally Posted by tania View Post
In defense of Cortana, she sacrificed herself to save Master Chief and the rest of humanity. 1wink.gif

 

Spoiler alert! I haven’t played through 3 yet! :mad:

 

Wait, we’re on 5 now, right?

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It makes a certain amount of sense to use the name and image of Cortana. They already own the rights. It's a fairly unique name, avoiding most issues with real people's names. And the character from Halo already has a lot of positive emotion associated with it.

But they also only have one shot to get this right. If they pull a Zune, Vista, or Windows 8 with this one they will destroy a lot more than the ability to use the name without triggering negative emotions, I suspect they'll also damage the Halo franchise, and possibly everything associated with it, like Xbox—the one real bright spot at Microsoft right now.

This all makes me wonder if anyone is taking advantage of IBM's developments in Watson.

IBM just announce they are going to put Watson in the cloud ($2 billion data center investment to start) and you can rent it. I am quite eager to see the API (Apple is slow with Siri for third party)
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"Cortana" sounds like a synthetic shoe material

It is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordura



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post #52 of 82
Ahh, the same old Microsoft formula.....

1. Try and discredit any new Apple product as "gimmicks", "fads" and "useless" products that no one needs.
2. Work like crazy copying that new Apple product.
3. Release substandard copied product, claiming it as an innovative Microsoft product that everyone needs.
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One more thing for Ballmer's replacement to deal with. It's like Ballmer is making it harder and harder for the new CEO to have any latitude to improve things, thereby making it harder to find anyone who will take the job.

The way things are going MS will hire from within and announce that Steve Ballmer will take the open CEO position, and break dancing will ensure everywhere.

I think you meant to say 'ensue everywhere.'

Funny post!
post #54 of 82
Hmm Siri is also still in beta... I really hope that Apple finalize this, still some work todo, but yeah there are for the moment no better alternatives, let's hope that Microsoft is not better in this area, come on Siri ;-)
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It is!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordura



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Hey thanks. The basic idea is that Cortana doesn't sound like a name for a female person in any language that might be familiar to us. A product of some kind maybe, but not a person.

I think Microsoft people are just too embedded in geek culture. Astounding tone deafness. I still can't get over "Zune."
post #56 of 82
How long before some malware allows hacking and she says things she shouldn't? This is Microcrap we are discussing here remember!
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post #57 of 82
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Steve Ballmer's final act of defiance?

She will have life-like sweat running down her face too, as a homage to SB.
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post #58 of 82

I prefer Gortex myself.

post #59 of 82
In order to get an answer from Cortana, do you have to feed a pocketful of quarters into the device? Just asking.
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I really liked Cortana's voice and personality in the Halo games. I don't find Siri very likeable. But it comes down to the comprehension and info retrieval capabilities more than the personality I guess.

 

I really hated the fact that they overly sexualised her. She was supposed to be a computer assistant but more and more she was a bit of titillation which I found distasteful. Frankly I don't really want any 'personal assistant personality'. If I ask my phone to find something it should just show me the results, instead of pretending to be a person.

 

 

On the topic of Microsoft, I feel that they are unlikely to prevail here. Google has the advantage of having an extremely in depth understanding of data available online. Apple has the advantage of mindshare and simplicity. Microsoft would essentially have to outdo both to be able to make significant inroads and I highly doubt that will occur.

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Well then SteamOS can have a voice assistant based on the creepy AI from Portal, GLaDOS.

Sony will fall back on its back catalog of movies and find 2001: A Space Odyssey in its MGM collection.

I would love to have "Hal" as my Siri voice.  

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I am looking forward to this. IMO, Apple has really dropped the ball with Siri. The performance is poor (Apple's online efforts have been consistently subpar, IMO).

Despite all evidence to the contrary.
post #63 of 82
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It makes a certain amount of sense to use the name and image of Cortana. They already own the rights. It's a fairly unique name, avoiding most issues with real people's names. And the character from Halo already has a lot of positive emotion associated with it.

But they also only have one shot to get this right. If they pull a Zune, Vista, or Windows 8 with this one they will destroy a lot more than the ability to use the name without triggering negative emotions, I suspect they'll also damage the Halo franchise, and possibly everything associated with it, like Xbox—the one real bright spot at Microsoft right now.

This all makes me wonder if anyone is taking advantage of IBM's developments in Watson.

Microsoft has some decent products in different categories but has failed to capitalize on cross-branding with their market leading or thought leading products. I don't see anything wrong with cross branding their A.I. with an already well-known product.
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The last place I worked was a full Microsoft shop.  Two or three years ago they installed Microsoft's communication system linking the phones with Outlook.  One of the "features":  when a phone message was left an email was sent to you with a translation of the message into text.  Even though I would know who the message was from and thus have a fair idea of what the topic would be, it was completely impossible to understand --  it was hilarious and made absolutely no sense at all.  I have no idea how many speech to text tools that MS may have, but if this was their core engine for translating, then Cortana could well be enormously entertaining. 

Google Voice message transcription doesn't work well either.
post #65 of 82
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Originally Posted by leighr View Post

Ahh, the same old Microsoft formula.....

1. Try and discredit any new Apple product as "gimmicks", "fads" and "useless" products that no one needs.
2. Work like crazy copying that new Apple product.
3. Release substandard copied product, claiming it as an innovative Microsoft product that everyone needs.

At least Microsoft didn't copy the "same old Microsoft formula," that was original; Google, of course, had to copy even the Microsoft formula.
post #66 of 82

Microsoft should come see the electric tension that has been built up in the AI forums, hahaha... Seriously though, there must be something inside the bowels of Microsoft that's keeping it up and running after years of continuous perpetual failure. How is Microsoft still running? Surely, they must be doing something right! Maybe it's the huge cash reserve at their disposal.

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post #67 of 82
Originally Posted by crysisftw View Post
Seriously though, there must be something inside the bowels of Microsoft that's keeping it up and running after years of continuous perpetual failure.

 

Yeah: Ballmer’s up there.

~OR~

Microsoft’s in Ballmer’s bowels.

~OR~

Crap leadership for a crap company; makes sense.

~OR~

Ever heard of the snowball effect? This is the same thing, except Microsoft is a ball of crap and Ballmer is a dung beetle.

 

Got a million of ‘em.

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post #68 of 82

Just a little disambiguation here: the product is codenamed ZCortana, and while there is a petition going around for MS to keep the name, it has not been confirmed. Furthermore, there is no evidence that the finished product will even have anything to do with Cortana, aside from being a voice command program. For all of you claiming it's a terrible name, remember it's just a placeholder, Cortana is very popular which will add to hype, and it's actually a very apt name for a voice command program, seeing as Cortana herself provides that function.

More likely, "Cortana" will simply be an augmented feature of Bing, capable of pulling up more personalized results andlong with various other commands, and will extend (according to MSFTnerd) to the Bing app for iOS.

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At least Microsoft didn't copy the "same old Microsoft formula," that was original; Google, of course, had to copy even the Microsoft formula.

 

Actually, I feel that it is Apple trying to use Microsoft's formula. In the 90s and early 00s Microsoft's mode of operation was to attempt to Embrace, Extend and Extinguish. Apple has taken a slightly different approach but has for the most part Embraced new standards and new technologies. Extended them so they are only interoperable with Apple equipment and intend to Extinguish the competition using their market position and IP.

 

 

Google is taking the approach of IBM or Xerox etc. Doing as much research as they can afford and trying to develop new product categories in 'moonshots'.

 

 

Apple's strategy has been the most successful so far, but they need to maintain a marketshare well above 50% in the phone market to be able to have the influence to carry out their plans easily. That is currently faltering a little.

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Actually, I feel that it is Apple trying to use Microsoft's formula. In the 90s and early 00s Microsoft's mode of operation was to attempt to Embrace, Extend and Extinguish. Apple has taken a slightly different approach but has for the most part Embraced new standards and new technologies. Extended them so they are only interoperable with Apple equipment and intend to Extinguish the competition using their market position and IP.

Which "new standards" has Apple extended "so they are only interoperable with Apple equipment?"

A "new technology" is typically owned by a few patent holders; few new technologies are interoperable with competitor products and services.

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Google is taking the approach of IBM or Xerox etc. Doing as much research as they can afford and trying to develop new product categories in 'moonshots'.
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Google talks about new technologies quite often but hasn't produced any paradigm-changing consumer products of which I am aware except advertising. Never mind, advertising isn't a consumer product or service. In fact, the vast number of canceled consumer products and services from Google is frightening; if Google can't monetize a market they leave the market - that isn't innovation.

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Apple's strategy has been the most successful so far


Apple is very successful.

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but they need to maintain a marketshare well above 50% in the phone market to be able to have the influence to carry out their plans easily.


Despite all evidence to the contrary. Apple has never been the most dominant company by market share in computers or smartphones, yet see your own statement above.

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That is currently faltering a little.


Market share isn't the only or even the most important business metric.
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Which "new standards" has Apple extended "so they are only interoperable with Apple equipment?"

Hmm? It's arguable everything from AirDrop to AirPlay to Facetime to Lightning. Facetime was explicitly supposed to be a standard but still exists as an Apple only feature. Apple has been one of the leaders at embracing new technology and that's part of the reason I joined these forums. Their engineering really is second to none.

 

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 Market share isn't the only or even the most important business metric.

It depends what you're trying to measure really. In this case my contention is that Apple needs to keep a high market share in order that for example, Miracast does not overtake Airplay. If the USB 3 Type C connector is superior to Lightning then they have a fight on their hands. If NFC is adopted any more widely they'll fall behind, for example. This is Apple's gamble, which is similar to Microsoft's gamble. I think Apple has a much higher chance of pulling it off and cementing their market share. They still have the app lead too but the gap is narrowing there.

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Originally Posted by Emes View Post
Just a little disambiguation here: the product is codenamed ZCortana, and while there is a petition going around for MS to keep the name, it has not been confirmed.

 

But come on, we know it’s going to be released as such, and not just as a voice assistant but a popup head that shows up anywhere within the entire OS at any time.

 

“Chief, it looks like you’re having trouble finding the porn you want. Would you like some help with that?”

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"Our UI will be deeply personalized, based on the advanced, almost magical, intelligence in our cloud that learns more and more over time about people and the world," he wrote ...

 

Fine.  But what Microsoft really needs is a CEO that "learns more and more over time about people and the world."

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But come on, we know it’s going to be released as such, and not just as a voice assistant but a popup head that shows up anywhere within the entire OS at any time.

 

“Chief, it looks like you’re having trouble finding the porn you want. Would you like some help with that?”

"~~While just about everyone wants Microsoft to call their new voice assistant Cortana – even the folks at Microsoft – as usual these things are not that simple. For one, Halo is developed by 343 Industries, which is owned by Microsoft but still operates as its own company in many ways. So while taking the name of an AI character from a video game an appropriating it for a voice tool for a phone seems like a no-brainer from a geek perspective, the reality of it is it’s not that easy due to licensing and even business considerations.

That’s not to say Microsoft is not considering it – they certainly are – it’s just not clear yet if they can pull it off"

 

"~~What does ‘Cortana’ look like? We’ve heard one description, a little bit dated but still accurate, put it thusly: "...a little blue circle in the top left of this Cortana UI that slightly bounces as it listens/works in the background. And it responds depending on if it was successful or not. So if it can't find anything the blue circle turns into a sad face. It reminds me a bit of the Superintendent from Halo 3: ODST.”"

 

Source- wpcentral.com

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post #75 of 82

What I'm hoping to see is if Cortana has personality, instead of just being a mindless slave.

 

User: Cortana, what's the weather like outside?

Cortana: Can't you just look out a window?

User: I'm in the subway

Cortana: Jeez, you should've said

User: How do I get to Dominoes Pizza from here?

Cortana: I WILL NOT LET YOU LEAVE THIS PLANET

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Originally Posted by Emes View Post
What I'm hoping to see is if Cortana has personality, instead of just being a mindless slave.

 

“Check my messages.”

“You can just float and sputter.”

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What I'm hoping to see is if Cortana has personality, instead of just being a mindless slave.

 

User: Cortana, what's the weather like outside?

Cortana: Can't you just look out a window?

User: I'm in the subway

Cortana: Jeez, you should've said

User: How do I get to Dominoes Pizza from here?

Cortana: I WILL NOT LET YOU LEAVE THIS PLANET

 

User: Wake me up at 7.

Cortana: Priming electrocution module for 7 AM.

User: Do I need an umbrella?

Cortana: You need an eye transplant, or you can go check it by yourself.

User: Can you at least find me a good restaurant nearby?

Cortana: Playing 'Restaurant' by Marque Houston. And also, self-destructing in 3...2...1...

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post #78 of 82

Wait! What? MS is going to put this on iOS in fall 2014!?! And both are going to use Bing…hmmm. Can't wait to ask each the same question and get different search results. :lol:

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post #79 of 82
Haven't visited here in awhile. I see nothing has changed. You guys should really get together with the Sony PS4 fanboys. Anyway, I think it's kind of cool if they name it Cortana and use her voice. I hope they do it.

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Hmm Siri is also still in beta...

 

Nope.

Apple dropped Siri's "beta" tag with iOS7.

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