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While many smartphones advertise 16 gigabytes of capacity, none of them actually offer that much storage to the end user. But both Apple's iPhone 5c and iPhone 5s offer among the most advertised space out of the box, while Samsung's Galaxy S4 comes in last place.

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Among 16-gigabyte smartphones, Apple's iPhone 5c ranks first among available storage, with 12.6 gigabytes, or 79 percent of its advertised space, according to Which. Not far behind, in third place, is the flagship iPhone 5s, which ships with 12.2 gigabytes of capacity available, representing 76 percent of the advertised capacity.

Sandwiched in between those two is the second-place Google Nexus 5, sporting 12.28 gigabytes of space, reflecting 77 percent of its 16 gigabytes of storage.

Coming in dead last in the analysis conducted by Which is the Samsung Galaxy S4, which has just 54 percent, or 8.56 gigabytes, of its advertised space. It's speculated that this capacity is limited by the amount of customized software Samsung includes on the handset, including its Android skin "TouchWiz," and features such as eye tracking.

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One benefit the Galaxy S4 has over Apple's iPhone lineup and even Google's Nexus handset is the inclusion of an available microSD card slot. Galaxy users can buy their own card and insert it into the handset, boosting available storage by up to 64 gigabytes, while iPhone and Nexus 5 owners must stick with their original built-in storage.

However, Google has taken steps with the Android operating system to restrict usage of external storage, likely in an effort to ensure handset performance is not slowed. As a result, Android applications cannot be installed to external storage, and any inserted memory card can only be used to host media files and documents.

That means Galaxy S4 owners are only left with 8.56 gigabytes to install applications -- more than 4 gigabytes less than are available out of the box on Apple's mid-range iPhone 5c.

The analysis isn't the first time Samsung has been called out for offering limited space, though it is one of the first tests to include Apple's latest iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models. Last year, when Samsung was taken to task over Galaxy S4 storage, the company responded by advising users to buy a microSD card.

"For the Galaxy S4 16GB model," Samsung said in a statement, "approximately 6.85GB occupies [the] system part of internal memory, which is 1GB bigger than that of the Galaxy S3, in order to provide [a] high resolution display and more powerful features to our consumers."
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SAMDUNG. SAMDUNG indeed

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The only area in which Samsung performs better than the other android OEMs is marketing.

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6.85 GB for a mobile OS? It's more than a full XP installation will all its crapwares. 

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But it's not 6.5 gigs of bloatware on the S4, its 7.5 gigs. Yet another lie from the lying thieves at Samscum.
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"However, Google has taken steps with the Android operating system to restrict usage of external storage, likely in an effort to ensure handset performance is not slowed. As a result, Android applications cannot be installed to external storage, and any inserted memory card can only be used to host media files and documents."

 

This statement is a little bit silly because the reverse could be said about phones without external storage. Yes, they can load more applications but they are limited in their ability to hold media files and documents.

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"However, Google has taken steps with the Android operating system to restrict usage of external storage, likely in an effort to ensure handset performance is not slowed. As a result, Android applications cannot be installed to external storage, and any inserted memory card can only be used to host media files and documents."

 

This statement is a little bit silly because the reverse could be said about phones without external storage. Yes, they can load more applications but they are limited in their ability to hold media files and documents.

 

And then there is cloud services and wifi connected storage solutions. Maybe not as neat as poping an SD card, but they too are aftermarket expansions available (and most cloud services have free basic plans) that only apply to media files and documents.

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And then there is cloud services and wifi connected storage solutions. Maybe not as neat as poping an SD card, but they too are aftermarket expansions available (and most cloud services have free basic plans) that only apply to media files and documents.

 

With carrier's exorbitant rates for mobile IP communications here in Québec, I tend to limite my uses of cloud services for media consumption with my mobile devices on the road. 


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As a result, Android applications cannot be installed to external storage, and any inserted memory card can only be used to host media files and documents.

 

Absolutely 100% incorrect.  Android recommends that Applications that perform services or background functions not be installed on SD because if the SD is unmounted or removed those objects will no longer be available, common sense. Other apps like large games etc can be installed on external storage as long as the developer has made the correct entry in the manifest file and the app has the correct permissions.

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With carrier's exorbitant rates for mobile IP communication, I tend to limite my uses of cloud services for media consumption on my mobile devices on the road. 

You should check out the wifi options. I saw an sd card streamer at Walmart the other day. You can stream content up to 8 hours, in the Himalayas if u want. $40 plus the sd card.
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Memory = RAM

Storage = Drive space

 

The article wrongly uses these terms interchangeably, something I might expect my wife's Uncle Charlie to do, but not a tech site.

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You should check out the wifi options. I saw an sd card streamer at Walmart the other day. You can stream content up to 8 hours, in the Himalayas if u want. $40 plus the sd card.

 

I use a lot the Wi-Fi at home, I stream my videos and music at home.  But on the road, I need to keep my music and photos on the internal storage if I don't want have a few hundred dollars bills from my carrier. 

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With carrier's exorbitant rates for mobile IP communications here in Québec, I tend to limite my uses of cloud services for media consumption with my mobile devices on the road. 


Then take advantage of Juil's other mentioned solution. Buy one of the many aftermarket Wifi enabled hardrive setups. That is 500GB to 1TB of media and document storage for access on the road without having to use mobile data.

 

The point is that there are many options for accessing media and documents for all mobile phones.

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This statement is a little bit silly because the reverse could be said about phones without external storage. Yes, they can load more applications but they are limited in their ability to hold media files and documents.
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I am using a Seagate's Wireless Plus to store and offload video content while out and about - works well with our iPhones and iPads. There are a number of wifi drives out there (in many physical sizes), so tying up internal memory space isn't required.
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The smartphone industry has already declared the iPhone 5c as an overpriced piece of plastic junk. Basically just another failed Apple product because Apple only sold about 20 million units to date. So, I don't think it really matters if the iPhone 5c has a bit more usable memory since it will probably be discontinued when the iPhone 6 becomes available.
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It's time the manufacturers began placing the OS (and add-ons like bundled skins, mandatory software, etc.) on a separate chip, and leave the entire 16GB (or whatever is advertised) available for the user.  And whichever maker does this first can brag that they're offering TRUE specs in their advertising.

 

Alas, they never did this in 25 years of microcomputer sales, so I doubt it will happen with smartphones.

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it's too bad appleinsider squanders its opportunity to educate people as well as inform, instead of perpetuating willful ignorance. to wit, "Apple's iPhone 5c boasts most available advertised memory," as opposed to what should accurately be called "storage".
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It's time the manufacturers began placing the OS (and add-ons like bundled skins, mandatory software, etc.) on a separate chip, and leave the entire 16GB (or whatever is advertised) available for the user.  And whichever maker does this first can brag that they're offering TRUE specs in their advertising.

Alas, they never did this in 25 years of microcomputer sales, so I doubt it will happen with smartphones.

... but it might.
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Memory = RAM

Storage = Drive space

 

The article wrongly uses these terms interchangeably, something I might expect my wife's Uncle Charlie to do, but not a tech site.

I'm not aware of any phones with a drive.    Memory and Storage is the same in a phone, no?

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Then take advantage of Juil's other mentioned solution. Buy one of the many aftermarket Wifi enabled hardrive setups. That is 500GB to 1TB of media and document storage for access on the road without having to use mobile data.

 

The point is that there are many options for accessing media and documents for all mobile phones.

 

I failed to understand how this could help me? I won't travel in public transit with a Wifi enable hard drive... I want to listen to my music and having enough space on my mobile device for taking photos and videos occasionally while I'm outside of my household. 

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Having low storage will only become more of a problem as app sizes continue to increase as well.
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No mention of a big problem with SD storage for most users (not we tech-savvy forum goers): you then have to MANAGE that multi-segment storage. Android's strength (for a few) is also its weakness (for many): it's more like an old-style PC.
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No mention of a big problem with SD storage for most users (not we tech-savvy forum goers): you then have to MANAGE that multi-segment storage. Android's strength (for a few) is also its weakness (for many): it's more like an old-style PC.

Absolutely! Minimum of 2 places for saved photos for example... sometimes more depending on what service or app you saved the photo from.
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The smartphone industry has already declared the iPhone 5c as an overpriced piece of plastic junk. Basically just another failed Apple product because Apple only sold about 20 million units to date. So, I don't think it really matters if the iPhone 5c has a bit more usable memory since it will probably be discontinued when the iPhone 6 becomes available.

You can spin the 20 million a far different way: that Apple underestimated their user's ability AND desire to pay for the very best at any price.

The 5c is far.... faaaaar... from being junk! IMHO the iPhone 5s is far too cheap!!!

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A note of interest this morning. There's reports that the 5C is being dropped from Apple's lineup, apparently just not as successful as they would have expected?
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Oh, and the author should do more research. Samsung enabled move to SD several Android versions ago, there is an app called FolderMount that enables game data to be moved to SD and Link2SD enables apks and associated files to be stored on a secondary extSD partition. Rest assured, I can use the full 64GB of my card for apps if I wished.
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Hold everything.

 

We’re missing a big piece of info here. Does iOS (originally based on Leopard) report gibibytes as gigabytes? Or does it now report gigabytes as gigabytes?

 

And what does Android do?

This is important.

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Galaxy S4 total storage exceeds any iPhone's by several times. We don't have a locked down OS so can remove all the bloat and, with a microSD card, actually use a several-hundred pound device for more than casual things. Non-expandable storage = fail.
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No mention of a big problem with SD storage for most users (not we tech-savvy forum goers): you then have to MANAGE that multi-segment storage. Android's strength (for a few) is also its weakness (for many): it's more like an old-style PC.

Android uses ext4 filesystem. I'm not sure where the "you have to MANAGE" or "Like and old style PC" applies here?

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We’re missing a big piece of info here. Does iOS (originally based on Leopard) report gibibytes as gigabytes? Or does it now report gigabytes as gigabytes?

 

And what does Android do?

This is important.


Android (4.4.2) appears to use gibibytes correctly.

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Then take advantage of Juil's other mentioned solution. Buy one of the many aftermarket Wifi enabled hardrive setups. That is 500GB to 1TB of media and document storage for access on the road without having to use mobile data.

The point is that there are many options for accessing media and documents for all mobile phones.
So these drives put out their own wi-fi hotspots that don't use your mobile data? Really?! That's terrific!!
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A note of interest this morning. There's reports that the 5C is being dropped from Apple's lineup, apparently just not as successful as they would have expected?

 

I read that report over a month ago. So far nothing has come of it.

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Oh, and the author should do more research. Samsung enabled move to SD several Android versions ago, there is an app called FolderMount that enables game data to be moved to SD and Link2SD enables apks and associated files to be stored on a secondary extSD partition. Rest assured, I can use the full 64GB of my card for apps if I wished.

 

Oh sure, there always has third party solution out there.   But for most android user, searching and downloading apps on the Google Play store is an issue, rooting their phone is another bag of hurts.  Most mortal are only using fonction that come out of the box and got no time nor the patience to search a way to overcome limitation from the mfg. 

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And now accessory makers are creating cases for the iPhone 5's that add-on extra storage,
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Galaxy S4 total storage exceeds any iPhone's by several times. We don't have a locked down OS so can remove all the bloat and, with a microSD card, actually use a several-hundred pound device for more than casual things. Non-expandable storage = fail.

 

Wow, so much fanboyisme in this post....

 

1) Out of the box, the Galaxy S4 total storage doesn't exceeds the iPhone, the opposite is true.

 

2) Android devices are locked down until you root the phone, like any other iOS and WP8 phones.

 

3) Unlike most Android phones, there is no third party bloat ware to take care of on iOS

 

4) You know many critics said the same things about the non-expandable storage of the iPod, 11 years later, most SD bases MP3 player as disappear from market today.

 

 Like you said in an earlier post, you need some hacking and third party apps for using external storage likes the internal one. This is not a solution for most non-tech savvy Android users


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No mention of a big problem with SD storage for most users (not we tech-savvy forum goers): you then have to MANAGE that multi-segment storage. Android's strength (for a few) is also its weakness (for many): it's more like an old-style PC.

You haven't been paying attention. Most Android phones nowadays no longer have a SD card.
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No mention of a big problem with SD storage for most users (not we tech-savvy forum goers): you then have to MANAGE that multi-segment storage. Android's strength (for a few) is also its weakness (for many): it's more like an old-style PC.

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Oh, and the author should do more research. Samsung enabled move to SD several Android versions ago, there is an app called FolderMount that enables game data to be moved to SD and Link2SD enables apks and associated files to be stored on a secondary extSD partition. Rest assured, I can use the full 64GB of my card for apps if I wished.

Glad to hear that tech savvy users can cobble together a workaround. But why should Samsung get the credit for this workaround if this app isn't included with each phone they ship? The article was about the phones as sold by the manufacturers.

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Glad to hear that tech savvy users can cobble together a workaround. But why should Samsung get the credit for this workaround if this app isn't included with each phone they ship? The article was about the phones as sold by the manufacturers.

Yeah, the apk movement support was Samsung, but everything else is Android.

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Wow, so much fanboyisme in this post....

 

1) Out of the box, the Galaxy S4 total storage doesn't exceeds the iPhone, the opposite is true.

 

2) Android devices are locked down until you root the phone, like iOS and WP8.

 

3) Unlike most Android phones, there is no third party bloat ware to take care of on iOS

 

4) You know many critics said the same things about the non-expandable storage of the iPod, 11 years later, most SD bases MP3 player as disappear from market today.

 

 Like you said in an early post, you need some hacking and third party apps for using external storage likes the internal one. This is not a solution for most non-tech savvy Android users

 

​1) Okay, but the total space available when the device is actually operated (which is what ultimately matters) vastly exceeds that of the iPhone due to the support of 64GB microSD cards (and possibly larger when they are available).

​2) Based on what I've seen, Android offers far more customisability than any other mobile OS. There is nothing that rivals XDA in the amount of developer activity for any other OS.

​3) True, but given the additional storage/modification options available this is not an issue.

​4) MP3 files have generally been the same size since their inception. The size/availability/number of games, films, video recordings, other downloadable content, etc. are increasingly considerably, which means more storage capacity is always better.

​But it is available. The fact that I have to jump through a few (simple) hoops to take advantage of the feature does not diminish the benefits of being able to add 64GB to my storage. There is no such availability for the iPhone, which makes it inferior overall in terms of storage. I'm not a fanboy btw, I'm just saying more options > fewer options.

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Oh sure, there always has third party solution out there.   But for most android user, searching and downloading apps on the Google Play store is an issue, rooting their phone is another bag of hurts.  Most mortal are only using fonction that come out of the box and got no time nor the patience to search a way to overcome limitation from the mfg. 


When they begin to run out of space they will seek solutions. The GS4 offers plenty of solutions to increase available space without deleting any desired content, unlike the iPhone, which is fundamentally limited. The option is always available for those who seek it, which makes it superior.

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Android uses ext4 filesystem. I'm not sure where the "you have to MANAGE" or "Like and old style PC" applies here?

 

Huh? I don't understand what the usage of ext4 filesystem helped anything about the hurdle of managing files between multiple volumes on a devices without a file manager interface. 

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