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WSJ: Apple to launch two larger iPhones this year, scrap iPhone 5c

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Apple will launch two new iPhone models with larger displays later this year, including one greater than 5 inches, and the company will subsequently discontinue the plastic-backed, mid-range iPhone 5c, according to unnamed sources who spoke with The Wall Street Journal.

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The alleged details on Apple's 2014 smartphone plans include a model with a screen larger than 4.5 inches, while a jumbo-sized iPhone will measure greater than 5 inches diagonally, according to Journal reporters Lorraine Luk, Eva Dou and Daisuke Wakabayashi. Both new models are expected to have designs akin to the iPhone 5s, while the plastic exterior used on the iPhone 5c will be discontinued, the report claimed.

Both new larger iPhones are expected to debut in the second half of 2014, with the model in the 4.5-inch range already being prepared for mass production. The larger 5-inch model is said to be in "preliminary development," however.

The report did not give any indication as to whether Apple plans to make a new flagship handset with a 4-inch display. Apple moved to a taller 4-inch screen with the launch of the iPhone 5 in 2012, and has not produced new handsets with the previous screen size of 3.5 inches.

The report comes a day after analyst Timothy Arcuri of Cowen and Company issued a note to investors claiming that Apple has "locked down" the design of a new iPhone with a larger 4.8-inch display. He also expects Apple's next flagship handset, unofficially known as the "iPhone 6," to include speedy 802.11ac Wi-Fi.



As for the iPhone 5c, Apple's plastic-backed, mid-range handset has been the subject of many rumors that have claimed the smartphone has sold below the company's internal expectations. However, Apple does not break down sales of the iPhone on a model-by-model basis, leaving actual sales of the iPhone 5c to customers unknown.

Originally, market watchers had hoped that Apple would price the iPhone 5c aggressively, allowing the company to combat low-end devices running Google's Android platform, which are particularly popular in booming emerging markets such as China, India and Brazil. But Apple instead positioned the colorful handset as a replacement for last year's iPhone 5, selling the device starting at $100 with a new two-year service agreement, or $550 without a contract subsidy.
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unnamed sources ?
What a joke .
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Waiting to grab one! I hate small screen 1tongue.gif
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No.

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I expect one larger-sized phone (e.g., 4.8 inch). And the 5S and 5C to continue. The former as the high-end smaller form factor, and the latter as the lower-end (replacement for the 4S). The larger form factor phone will likely have 128GB (finally).

 

No way that Apple is getting rid of the 5C or introducing two larger phones.

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Apple sells more 5c's those most other companies sell of all their phones combined. These Wall Street clowns are clueless as usual.
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It's totally laughable - the almost seeming random guesswork of these so-called analysts. I'd be totally surprised if they ditched the 5c, it just doesn't seem like something that would ever happen - it would be basically admitting that it's a failure (which I believe it is not). Where the hell do they get their information?
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4.8 inches is OK as long as they figure out a way to make it easy to use with one hand.
This can be achieved either by hardware design, where the new device is actually not much taller and larger than the current iPhone 5/5S design (reduce the bezels) or software design where the controls of apps can be customized to appear either at the left or the right for left handed or right handed use respectively.

If one handed use is a possibility, then my iPhone 5 will be upgraded later this year.

But all this is pure speculation from Analysts who can not analyze.
Almost everyone missed last year's breakthroughs, like 64 bit, motion co-processor, touch ID and most actually focused on little things like Gold color and cheaper iPhone.
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Those who produce iPhone accessories like joypads will have to invent something to deal with different form factors of Apple devices.
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I expect one larger-sized phone (e.g., 4.8 inch). And the 5S and 5C to continue. The former as the high-end smaller form factor, and the latter as the lower-end (replacement for the 4S). The larger form factor phone will likely have 128GB (finally).

No way that Apple is getting rid of the 5C or introducing two larger phones.
I agree. I can't see Apple getting rid of the 5C they'll just make it the budget model. As far as a screen size larger than 5", what data is there that these devices are selling? Most tech sites I go to laugh at these humongous phablets. Can't see Apple jumping on that bandwagon.
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Apple sells more 5c's those most other companies sell of all their phones combined. These Wall Street clowns are clueless as usual.

 

I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.

 

As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.

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Those who produce iPhone accessories like joypads will have to invent something to deal with different form factors of Apple devices.

 

And make a lot more money. It is SO sad.

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Hey AI, can you post just one article about this bullshit and then delete it.

There will be no 5+" iPhone this year or ever.
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4.8 inches is OK as long as they figure out a way to make it easy to use with one hand.
This can be achieved either by hardware design, where the new device is actually not much taller and larger than the current iPhone 5/5S design (reduce the bezels) or software design where the controls of apps can be customized to appear either at the left or the right for left handed or right handed use respectively.

If one handed use is a possibility, then my iPhone 5 will be upgraded later this year.

But all this is pure speculation from Analysts who can not analyze.
Almost everyone missed last year's breakthroughs, like 64 bit, motion co-processor, touch ID and most actually focused on little things like Gold color and cheaper iPhone.

 

Last year's "breakthroughs" make very little difference to the user (yes, I speak from experience), though I am sure a year or two from now they will be a lot more significant. A large screen changes (for better or worse, depending on who you talk to) the user experience A LOT, which is why people care more. And the Analysts are apparently much better at analysis than you are.

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unnamed sources ?
What a joke .

 

Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.

 

Perhaps Apple should name it iPhone IIvx now. 

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The un-portable, battery-wasting, two-handed, gadget-fan iPhone is taking too long! Five inches is too small! Apple needs to leapfrog the competition and just sell an iPad mini sized iPhone! If it fits in your jeans, it's a failure. /s

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I say BS. I suspect Apple will increase the screen size, but there will only be one size. I also doubt Apple will get rid of the 5C.
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As for the iPhone 5c, Apple's plastic-backed, mid-range handset has been the subject of many rumors that have claimed the smartphone has sold below the company's internal expectations. However, Apple does not break down sales of the iPhone on a model-by-model basis, leaving actual sales of the iPhone 5c to customers unknown.

The only failure on Apple's part was to underestimate their customer's DEMAND for the very best tech in a perfectly designed phone that money... any amount of it... can buy.

The 5c is better tech-wise than the 5. Going backwards to plastic... no matter how polycarbonated and "unapologetic" it is... was not a good idea. Sir Jony needed to work a little longer and come up with a less expensive way to manufacture an "aluminium" case... hate to say it... but I do like hearing him say aluminium every time.... 1smoking.gif
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Hey AI, can you post just one article about this bullshit and then delete it.

There will be no 5+" iPhone this year or ever.

 

Tim Cook, is that you?

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"scrap" the iphone 5c?

"subsequently discontinue the plastic-backed, mid-range iPhone 5c"?

kind of like they "scrap" and "subsequently discontinue" almost every model about a year after it's introduced so they can introduce a newer model? i fully expect the 5S to get "scrapped" in about 6-8 months, too.

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Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.

The 5c is still selling, so we're still laughing. You don't get to use a WSJ rumor as proof of anything.

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The New York Times is the most respected paper in the world -- not the Wall Street Journal.

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Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.

Perhaps Apple should name it iPhone IIvx now. 
Where's your source that it was a flop? Point me to sales data from Apple that shows it was a flop.
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Apple should listen to the vocal minority, the insecure spec chasers. If and when that day comes, I'll fondly remember iPhones that fit in our pocket, had a great battery life, and weep for the rest of us.

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Where's your source that it was a flop? Point me to sales data from Apple that shows it was a flop.

His rumor-fueled fantasies are his source that he was right and everyone else was wrong. Now who's laughing? (We are, still)

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The only failure on Apple's part was to underestimate their customer's DEMAND for the very best tech in a perfectly designed phone that money... any amount of it... can buy.

The 5c is better tech-wise than the 5. Going backwards to plastic... no matter how polycarbonated and "unapologetic" it is... was not a good idea. Sir Jony needed to work a little longer and come up with a less expensive way to manufacture an "aluminium" case... hate to say it... but I do like hearing him say aluminium every time.... 1smoking.gif
The 3G and 3GS were plastic phones (and flagship models to boot). I don't remember people complaining about them being plastic. All the reviews I've read from 5C owners have been positive. The only people that seem to have an issue with the 5C are those who never were going to buy it anyway.
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Everyone and their dog laughed at me when I said that the 5C would be a flop. It WAS a flop.

 

Perhaps Apple should name it iPhone IIvx now. 

 

Hmmmm... I guess it depends on one's description of a "flop".

 

I have always contended that it hasn't lived up to Apple's expectations. Whether that could be called a flop or not would be up for debate.

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Somebody, clueless as usual, starts a rumor, it gets picked up by rumor websites, gets repeated, then WSJ, CNN gets wind of the rumor, repeats it, then the rumor websites cite the WSJ sources, repeat it again, suggesting that their original rumor has been confirmed as true.

Can anyone say "echo chamber"?
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His rumor-fueled fantasies are his source that he was right and everyone else was wrong. Now who's laughing? (We are, still)
We'll find out on Monday what the real story is. Of course Apple won't release specific sales for 5C but margins and ASPs should give us a good idea.
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Last year's "breakthroughs" make very little difference to the user (yes, I speak from experience), though I am sure a year or two from now they will be a lot more significant. A large screen changes (for better or worse, depending on who you talk to) the user experience A LOT, which is why people care more. And the Analysts are apparently much better at analysis than you are.


I never said those breakthroughs were revolutionary in any way. They're evolutionary just like every iteration of the original iPhone is, including every Android phone made since.  However analysts did miss these.

Touch ID is better than entering a code every time. It also helps with app purchases. Evolutionary but better than before.

64 bit processor, I'll give you. The benefits are not visible immediately to the end user.

Motion co-processor, depending on apps can be visible to user. Strava, map my run etc.  Battery life could also be affected too. So yes user benefits.

 

But in the end, the point I made was about stuff that analysts totally missed. And as for your little remark about them being better at it than me, well, I don't pretend to be one. They do. 

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No happening.
I expect a phone keeping the current screen size, the 5S or a 6C.
And a metallic one with a larger screen.
Both with the same internals.
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I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.

 

As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.

Where have you been? The WSJ is a joke. They are no different than any other "newspaper" making up stuff to sell clicks. From the sound of your comment, you probably are a WSJ employee. When someone says "sources" they are simply hiding the fact they either made up the information of someone inside Apple or a supplier is committing a crime by releasing the information. Apple employees are fired for things like this. You must be a new to all the garbage coming out of places like the WSJ. This is typical of the WSJ and other media sources. Make something up to manipulate the stock market.

 

As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence. 

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As for your derogatory comment about the original posters financial situation, that shows absolutely no class. The amount of money a person makes has nothing to do with their intelligence. 

 

... and yet, the contrary seems to be a common thread when people discuss Android phone users on AI.

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I am afraid you are the clueless one. Apple wants to optimize their product line, since producing a device takes a lot of resources (including mindshare of the management), and if they think that their line would improve if they scrap the 5c and introduce a larger handset, then they will.

 

As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world, so they would not say this unless their sources were quite reliable. In any case, just because the Wall Street people make more money than you do, does not mean that they are worse human beings, or less smart than you -- most likely the opposite.


Spoken like a Wall Street clown. Your view is very limited. Apple has multiple agendas. If they wanted to purely optimize their product line, AppleTV and many other products would have been ditched long ago. There is a bigger picture here than you understand. And WSJ regularly gets it wrong. And I'm doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.

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I could see Apple going with the 4.8" new size for 2 models, and discontinuing everything that came before it.

 

But why would they do that?

 

It seems much more likely that the new flagship iPhone be a the 4.8" model at $199, the 5S becomes $99, and the 5C becomes $0, and finally replaces the 4S.

 

That seems to make the most sense, no?

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Where's your source that it was a flop? Point me to sales data from Apple that shows it was a flop.

 

Every possible data available demonstrates that it was a flop, due to Mr Cook's stupid acceptance of analysts' nonsensical recommendations for "emerging markets" and lower tiers instead of striving for the best and focusing on the 5S - that is why Apple has not released any individual sales information on the 5C...because it sells to no one.

 

But of course, for some people here the IIvx and IIvi were great successes, right? ;)

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As for the Wall Street "clowns", the Wall Street Journal is probably the most respected newspaper in the world

 

BLOLOL! That gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that.

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Every possible data available demonstrates that it was a flop, due to Mr Cook's stupid acceptance of analysts' nonsensical recommendations for "emerging markets" and lower tiers instead of striving for the best and focusing on the 5S - that is why Apple has not released any individual sales information on the 5C...because it sells to no one.

Every possible data? Please link to ANY. All data I'm aware of shows the 5C selling approximately equal to or better than the 4S in the year-over-year time frame.

 

Apple's only goal with the 5C at $99 was to sell equal to or better than the 4S did at $99.

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Apple's only goal with the 5C at $99 was to sell equal to or better than the 4S did at $99.

 

Is that you, Tim?

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