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It's a thermostat. A well designed, internet-connected thermostat, but a thermostat. BFD.

This is a really short-sighted way of looking at it.  They didn't buy a thermostat, they bought a brand and a company full of talent that will gain them a foothold into the connected home, which is a huge growth area for technology - perhaps the biggest potential growth area, rivaled only by the car.  

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Nothing. It's just irrational; plus my hatred of Schmidt and his ilk, of course.

LOL.  Ok.  You are entitled to hate as many people as you like.  Personally, I choose not to invest that much emotion into corporate executives who I've never met, but that's just me!  

post #43 of 89
I'll believe Apple could do Internet search when searching in spotlight, the iTunes Store or internally within Xcode is faster than an Internet search ( well the iTunes Store is an Internet search but it routinely takes seconds and doesn't correct.). Apple can't do search, they don't have the capability.
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post #44 of 89
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Should Apple dump the related iOS Apps as well. Wonder how all the people who bought a Nest on Apple's hype of the product would feel about that?

Just dump them from the Apple Stores.  No need to drop their App for the AppStore.

That's no big deal.  Home Depot is selling them now.  They'll be fine.

Although Honeywell is trying to put them 6 feet under in court, Google will help them fight back.

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Should Apple dump the related iOS Apps as well. Wonder how all the people who bought a Nest on Apple's hype of the product would feel about that?

Why would they? On what grounds? There are many googlecentric apps out there.

That was my point to the original poster, Paxman.

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Should Apple dump the related iOS Apps as well. Wonder how all the people who bought a Nest on Apple's hype of the product would feel about that?

That’s your call, not mine.

Apple, I believe, does not service the Nest device so don’t see how anyone would complain. As to buying on “Apple’s hype’, what ever does that mean? Apple sells lots of third party devices in is stores. Some stay on longer than others, so getting the pom-poms out over a thermostat seems a might odd.

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As to apps, taint porn is it? Apple is not vindictive like some, so can’t see them following your advice.

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post #47 of 89

Google probably figured "It costs less than Motorola.  Must be a bargain then."

 

But really, 3.2 Billion?  Lenovo bought IBM's X86 server division for less than that.

 

First they throw away their money on Moto, now this.  The three stooges of Google might be going through the five stages of grief sooner than they think seeing as they have no conception at all of the value of money.

 

Is Google's board made up mostly of poodles?

post #48 of 89
It's a freaking termostat!! who cares....
post #49 of 89
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No shit, Tony.

And what a ridiculous statement to make. Your company was bought out by a competitor, thus doing away with any reason for them to keep any meaningful ties with your company *by default*.

Looks like the Google brain cell decimator (aka Schmidt Syndrome) is already well at work on Tony, however.

With $3 billion in the bank, I doubt Tony really gives a rat's ass about anything about Nest, what anyone thinks, or any other notion outside of relaxing on a $200 million yacht in the Caribbean sipping MaiTais with the entire Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders as they fight over him.

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post #50 of 89
If Fadell & Rodgers had stayed maybe iOS 7 wouldn't have been so shit.
post #51 of 89
Google wants to spy on you in your own home.

"Google Learning ThermoGlass."
With always-on video cameras. Coming soon.

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post #52 of 89
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Yes...and a good search engine for Apple to buy....Yahoo!

I always wonder how hard it would be for a company of Apple's size to produce an awesome search engine on their own with great results. It would really be the last spike hammered into Google's head as far as Mac and iOS platforms go. They have the know how, server farm experience and the money. I think Apple should take a massive cut out of Google's search ad revenue.

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If Fadell & Rodgers had stayed maybe iOS 7 wouldn't have been so shit.
Fadell had nothing to do with software at Apple. And iOS 7 isn't shit.
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The dozens to hundreds of folks who worked on the iPod at all phases of engineering should stop letting asshats like him take the credit.
Not just the iPod. According to his bio on Nest's website he's taking credit for 3 generations of the iPhone too.
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I always wonder how hard it would be for a company of Apple's size to produce an awesome search engine on their own with great results. It would really be the last spike hammered into Google's head as far as Mac and iOS platforms go. They have the know how, server farm experience and the money. I think Apple should take a massive cut out of Google's search ad revenue.

Yep, because Maps turned out so well.   

post #56 of 89
Father of iPod...Uf, the original circuit boards came from PortalPlayer. Tony just brought that design to Apple and sold it to them. Apple took it and changed it all around... By the way, many companies were bringing Apple hard disk based MP3 player designs at the time. PortalPlayer strength was the operating system which was later replaced by Apple.
post #57 of 89

This is like me punching you in the face, after which I say, "Well, it's up to you on whether we remains friends or not," placing the burden on you to defend the behavior that prompted me to punch you in the face in the first place. 

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The godfather of the iPod or the father of the iPod?

 

I think somebody got confused...

 

Fadell has been called the Father of the iPod by some of the press while at the same time Rubinstein was know as the Podfather.

It may also be bestowed as an honorary title to a pioneer in a particular field, especially in musical genres...

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This is like me punching you in the face, after which I say, "Well, it's up to you on whether we remains friends or not," placing the burden on you to defend the behavior that prompted me to punch you in the face in the first place. 

If Apple wanted the company they would have bought it. There was no offer. How were they "punched"?
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post #60 of 89

Nest, the awesome, innovative, amazing self learning thermostat with elegant design features as you'd expect from former Apple executives.....

 

*breaking news*

 

Wait. What?  Bought by Google?!

 

*Attention AI fans, Nest is now the enemy.  Attack!*

post #61 of 89
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Google probably figured "It costs less than Motorola.  Must be a bargain then."

 

But really, 3.2 Billion?  Lenovo bought IBM's X86 server division for less than that.

 

First they throw away their money on Moto, now this.  The three stooges of Google might be going through the five stages of grief sooner than they think seeing as they have no conception at all of the value of money.

 

Is Google's board made up mostly of poodles?

Wow.  Comments like this, and others shouting that "it's just a thermostat" are SO short-sighted.  This is Google's entree into the connected home, which is probably the next biggest growth area of consumer electronics and technology.  All you're doing is looking at what Nest is today, and not imagining what it could be in the future.  Thank goodness Google's leaders (the "three stooges" as you call them) have more vision than you do.   

post #62 of 89
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Father of iPod...Uf, the original circuit boards came from PortalPlayer. Tony just brought that design to Apple and sold it to them. Apple took it and changed it all around... By the way, many companies were bringing Apple hard disk based MP3 player designs at the time. PortalPlayer strength was the operating system which was later replaced by Apple.

The moniker "Father of the iPod" has been widely used to describe Fadell for many years, long before he got involved at Nest. See for example:

http://macdailynews.com/2013/07/24/tony-fadell-father-of-the-ipod-from-apple-to-nest-labs-always-a-designer/

http://www.cultofmac.com/125838/the-father-of-the-ipod-has-invented-the-smartest-coolest-thermostat-youll-ever-see/

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/apple-ipod-iphone-senior-vp-fadell-out-replaced-by-ibms-papermaster/


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 1/24/14 at 6:03pm
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One reason is Googles privacy adversion is counter to Apple's policies. To sell a google product in their stores after knowing what the did to go around the security in Safari would make the complicit.
post #64 of 89
So where's the definitive statement from 'Mr. all things in Google are wonderful', Gatorgay on this subject? I can't wait to hear what the actual facts are.

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post #65 of 89
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I don't understand this thinking at all.  Google and Apple don't compete in thermostats and smoke detectors.  Why on earth would the Google acquisition cause Apple to throw Nest out of its stores?  Of course if future Nest offerings are made more Android-centric, that's a different story, but at this point, it would be petty and short-sighted of Apple to discontinue selling Nest products, and I doubt they have any plans to.  

I agree, I am sure Apple sell in their store many products from various vendors that also work with Assdroid products too. However, I have put duct tape over my Nest's camera and changed my WiFi password which is something I don't feel the need to do for other products that work on Apple and Assdroid. I wonder what the difference is? 1biggrin.gif
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post #66 of 89

Steve is the father of all things Apple pre his departure from us.. Others were simply his little helpers.
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post #67 of 89
Nest did have pottial yet now google is going to make everything downgraded to match its products correctly.
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"Nest has no plans to pull its products from Apple's retail stores or abandon iOS support for its devices, Fadell said." That may be Tony's intention however, Google has historically purchased companies & abruptly ended service for long-time Apple products & consumers. I expect Tony to be told soon to say to his Apple customers, 'Thank you for your years of support, but we're headed in a new direction.'

 

If Google adds microphones to the Nest/Protect smoke detectors to listen for the "sound of fire", they might 'inadvertently' have the following problem:         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5D578JmHdU

post #69 of 89
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Wow.  Comments like this, and others shouting that "it's just a thermostat" are SO short-sighted.  This is Google's entree into the connected home, which is probably the next biggest growth area of consumer electronics and technology.  All you're doing is looking at what Nest is today, and not imagining what it could be in the future.  Thank goodness Google's leaders (the "three stooges" as you call them) have more vision than you do.   

Find me someone who will assert with a straight face that the 13.3 billion used to acquire Motorola was money well spent. Google appears to have acquired the reputation of either being profligate with their money or an easy touch. I'm not saying Nest Labs is a garbage acquisition, I'm saying Google seems to have grossly overpaid for it. They were probably a little too eager at the negotiating table talking turkey with a guy who watched Steve Jobs operate in person and up close several years.
post #70 of 89
Looks like Fadell is already bowing to his overlords.
post #71 of 89
The thermostat is just a wifi connected device. Nothing special there. It has no connection to the heating and air conditioning system, which is required to make such a device useful. The Nest thermostat has no long term future.

Unless Google is aiming to control embedded hardware and software which appliance manufacturers will incorporate into their appliances, companies like Nest have a limited future.
post #72 of 89
I'm picturing Google collecting data from thousands of users with Nest thermostats and selling the info. Let's see.... You set it down a lot at night--sell the data to makers of down comforters... You keep the thermostat high..sell the data to companies selling energy efficient furnaces.

There's lots you can do if you can get this info tied to an address.
post #73 of 89

Cisco (and others) say the Internet of Things is worth $19 trillion over the next couple of decades.  Nest is part of that and Google wants to be at the center of it all.

post #74 of 89
What makes Google buying Nest newsworthy beyond the Apple-Google thing, is that it confirms widely held suspicions about smart thermostats uncontrolably sharing private data.

So the ecosystem it belongs to becomes a factor when you buy one.

Which do you trust? Your power supplier's smart thermostat? Google's? A future product by Apple? Is such a thing *really* going to save you enough money and headaches?

I think in the end both Google and power suppliers will offer smart thermostats for free, just like Android is free and devices running it are cheap. If you want to keep your privacy you will have to buy your own stuff.

First, Nest was for the people who were willing to pay for a top user experience, now they belong to Google.

This means that they went out of Apple's public, leaving room for a new Apple product or an independent smart thermostat maker.

I can understand the disappointment about Fadell, because he is placing Nest in a context where it's intended added value (user experience) is not what earns it's money. That will be the data it shares. Design will only be an excuse for asking the rich a bit too much. It will not anymore be the essence.

It does hurt Apple when one of their heroes goes this way.
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Nest, the awesome, innovative, amazing self learning thermostat with elegant design features as you'd expect from former Apple executives.....

 

*breaking news*

 

Wait. What?  Bought by Google?!

 

*Attention AI fans, Nest is now the enemy.  Attack!*


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post #76 of 89
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I'm picturing Google collecting data from thousands of users with Nest thermostats and selling the info. Let's see.... You set it down a lot at night--sell the data to makers of down comforters... You keep the thermostat high..sell the data to companies selling energy efficient furnaces.

There's lots you can do if you can get this info tied to an address.

 

I seriously don't understand where this idea comes from. I'm no Google employee but even I can tell that taking data on your customers and then selling that directly to your other customers is a pretty stupid thing to do.

 

Instead what they do is hold on to that data and use their algorithms to match the seller's advertiser to the customer. They don't sell your data, they sell the potential of your views.

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I seriously don't understand where this idea comes from. I'm no Google employee but even I can tell that taking data on your customers and then selling that directly to your other customers is a pretty stupid thing to do.

 

Instead what they do is hold on to that data and use their algorithms to match the seller's advertiser to the customer. They don't sell your data, they sell the potential of your views.

I was being a bit sarcastic and snippy.

post #78 of 89
Mr. Fadell is sorely mistaken if he thinks that google with let them operate more or less independently. Why would a company invest billions of dollars only so that can leave it be?

What's more likely to happen is that google will initially let nest operate with minimal interference. Let Fadell get comfortable for a few years and them one day, BAM! Google says "do this, this and this, or we show you the exit and you have to give us back our initial investment." Of course Fadell will have no choice but to comply since Nest, which has already since grown with the infusion of cash google has provided, will definitely not survive without google.

I think startups could learn a thing or two from snapchat, which has already repeatedly turned down offers of billions from Zuckerberg.

As far as apple dropping Nest from its stores, nothing could be more damaging for Nest really. That's the kind of exposure Nest can't afford to lose. I mean, sure, nest thermostats are sold in Home Depot, but no one really goes into Home Depot looking to buy a $250 thermostat. Fadell may be good at hiding it but he's quaking in his boots.
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Mr. Fadell is sorely mistaken if he thinks that google with let them operate more or less independently. Why would a company invest billions of dollars only so that can leave it be?

What's more likely to happen is that google will initially let nest operate with minimal interference. Let Fadell get comfortable for a few years and them one day, BAM! Google says "do this, this and this, or we show you the exit and you have to give us back our initial investment." Of course Fadell will have no choice but to comply since Nest, which has already since grown with the infusion of cash google has provided, will definitely not survive without google.

I think startups could learn a thing or two from snapchat, which has already repeatedly turned down offers of billions from Zuckerberg.

As far as apple dropping Nest from its stores, nothing could be more damaging for Nest really. That's the kind of exposure Nest can't afford to lose. I mean, sure, nest thermostats are sold in Home Depot, but no one really goes into Home Depot looking to buy a $250 thermostat. Fadell may be good at hiding it but he's quaking in his boots.

Quaking in his very rich boots bought on the proceeds of whatever percent of that $3.5B sale he garnered. Sure he is. We'd all be a bit distraught.
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I was being a bit sarcastic and snippy.

 

Sorry about that, I've only been here a few days but even facts I thought weren't contentious at all are being screamed at. Hope I didn't come across as a dick.

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