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As Samsung readies its Galaxy S5 to take on Apple's iPhone later this spring, one analyst believes the Korean company will be playing catch-up with an embedded fingerprint sensor and 32-bit processor.



According to a research note obtained by AppleInsider, KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo predicts Samsung needs a fingerprint verification system to keep up with the market's rush toward on-board biometrics spurred by the iPhone 5s.

While Apple was certainly not the first to implement biometric security in a portable device, it sparked a trend by introducing a simple, effective and, most importantly, reliable solution with Touch ID. By leveraging the popularity of the iPhone brand, Touch ID is now in the hands of millions of consumers, leaving other manufacturers scrambling to get out similar products.

As for Samsung, Kuo believes the company will use fingerprint recognition technology built by partner Validity Sensors, a firm purchased by touchpad maker Synaptics last year.

"Fingerprint is necessary for a star model," Kuo writes. "Because Apple's iPhone 5S and HTC's One Max have fingerprint, S5 the star model can't lack the function even [if] the solution (area type same as iPhone 5S's provided by Validity) is not as mature as iPhone 5S's."

Kuo believes Samsung will once again make a grab for high-end handset marketshare by pushing out two models differentiated by processor type, display resolution and memory. Both versions will continue Samsung's big-screen blitz with a 5.2-inch display, with the top-end "Prime" iteration employing a WQHD AMOLED panel with a pixel density of 565 pixels per inch.

Powering the handset will be an in-house Exynos 5430 processor built on Samsung's 20nm process and 3GB of LPDDR3 RAM to help with graphics duties. The chip is not 64-bit silicon like that found in Apple's iPhone 5s, iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina display.

Other features include a 16-megapixel rear shooter with support for phase detection autofocus and 3D gestures. The S5 will likely carry over a plastic shell design from this year's S4, though metal-clad products are on the horizon, says Kuo. Apple, on the other hand, has chosen to build its handsets out of premium materials like metal and glass since the iPhone 4, which debuted in 2010.

Countering rumors, Kuo feels Samsung is not prepared to introduce iris scanning tech in the upcoming flagship Galaxy. Earlier in January, Samsung's vice president of mobile Lee Young Hee said the company was "studying the possibility" of incorporating the feature into future products, but would not comment on whether it would be ready for the S5's launch.
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“It’s 32-bit, but it will have eight cores, so really that’s 256-bit and Apple’s four times as slow.”

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I'm starting to suspect that Ming-Chi Kuo is sending AppleInsider these press releases whenever AI writes "in a research note obtained by AppleInsider".

Also "research note" = rumor & guesswork published as a self-promoting press release. AppleInsider is just publicizing these press releases.

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So, it comes down to the same plastic flagship phone. But bigger

Oh yeah, and a fingerprint sensor that is not going to work. I bet you won't even be able to use it to make purchases from the Google Play store. And I bet security experts are going to have a field day with the implementation

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Originally Posted by Red Oak View Post
Oh yeah, and a fingerprint sensor that is not going to work. I bet you won't even be able to use it to make purchases from the Google Play store. And I bet security experts are going to have a field day with the implementation

 

It’ll be one of those swipe sensors, you know? The ones that after ten uses get so gummed up with oily secretions that they’re useless and disgusting for the rest of the time you own the device.

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In my experience Synaptics builds terribly buggy touch pads so that bodes very well for "me too, me too!" Samsung's fingerprint touch efforts. 1oyvey.gif
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So, it comes down to the same plastic flagship phone. But bigger

Oh yeah, and a fingerprint sensor that is not going to work. I bet you won't even be able to use it to make purchases from the Google Play store. And I bet security experts are going to have a field day with the implementation

We all know it's not going to work. I'm just wondering what the excuse will be from all those bed-wetting fandroids after criticizing Apple's TouchID and calling it a gimmick, and insecure, and how nobody would use it.
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The iPhone was revolutionary that's why Companies copied iPhone And they're still copying iPhone more more people Android users switching to innovation The iPhone !
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BGR seems to think the high end model will be aluminum and include a 64-bit chip.
Videos will look great on a WQHD display but we will need to see battery life to know if the tradeoff for that resolution was worth it or not. No doubt their fingerprint scanner will not be anywhere close to as good as TouchID on the iPhone, but I don't think many people won't really care all that much. Most Android users seem to favor the swipe pattern unlock and I doubt that will change. It has some solid spec upgrades from the S4 and if they do a redesign of the exterior with aluminum it will probably have better sales than the S4 as many S3 owners that skipped the S4 look for an upgrade. Right now all we have is a lot of conflicting rumors so it remains to be seen what the actually S5 will or not include. 

 

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"sport" ????

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8 cores? Seems like a lot for a phone.

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"sport" ????

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When will Android OS be rewritten as a 64-bit OS?

Which 64-bit APUs will Android support?

When.will Android apps be rewritten to exploit a 64-bit version of Android OS?


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When.will Android apps be rewritten to exploit a 64-bit version of Android OS?

 

They can't even get the 32-bit Android running smoothly on a 32-bit chip!  Even with 8-cores, it'll still run like s**t.

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I find it incredible that they put so much confusion on their models, with a prime and standard version, on purpose. A colleague of mine, who is very tech savvy, bought a Galaxy S3 thinking that it was the top model. It was in fact the model with the slower processor. A lot of people probably think their Galaxy phone has a X-core processor when it actually has X/2 processors. Not that it matters.
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Also, that ppi is clearly overkill, but I wouldn't be surprised if they actually use it. The iPhone might need an increase to its ppi to reach a level close to the S4 (which IMO is the maximum ppi I care about) because I can still see some lines of pixels in some conditions.
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When.will Android apps be rewritten to exploit a 64-bit version of Android OS?


 
They can't even get the 32-bit Android running smoothly on a 32-bit chip!  Even with 8-cores, it'll still run like s**t.

Yes, this is so important…

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The latest official data from Apple reveals that 78 percent of active iPhone, iPad and iPod touch devices are running the company's latest mobile operating system, iOS 7, up four percentage points from earlier this month.


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In less than six months, Apple has moved the majority of its iDevice users to an operating system that supports 32/64 bits.

I suspect 64-bit apps will drive sales of new IDevices.

This may provide Apple within insurmountable lead over the competition.
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8 cores? Seems like a lot for a phone.

 

It's a trick they learned from AMD. You inflate the core count with many slow, crippled, cheap cores guaranteeing that people who make purchasing decisions based on the palm rest stickers at Best Buy will choose your product.

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8 cores? Seems like a lot for a phone.

 

8 cores for a 2 bit operating system.

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They can't even get the 32-bit Android running smoothly on a 32-bit chip!  Even with 8-cores, it'll still run like s**t.

 

Can't they? That's funny, because it runs pretty smoothly on my Nexus 5.

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I am no Samsung fan, but this report sounds extraordinarily intentionally misleading.

Just from, "Fingerprint is necessary for a star model," Kuo writes. "Because Apple's iPhone 5S and HTC's One Max have fingerprint, S5 the star model can't lack the function even [if] the solution (area type same as iPhone 5S's provided by Validity) is not as mature as iPhone 5S's.", I get...

First, is "star model" the new high-end?

Second, does a "star model" necessarily have to have a fingerprint sensor?

Third, the HTC One fingerprint sensor is only ever mentioned to say it exists. Does it work? What is HTC doing to promote the sensor's abilities?

Fourth, "same area type as iPhone 5S's"? Are you kidding? Every court in the world, including East Texas, would give Apple a slam dunk verdict for slavish copying.

Fifth, Validity is the company Samsung blamed for causing it to not include a reliable fingerprint sensor in the Galaxy S4 and Note 3 last year, which caused Samsung to not beat Apple's Touch ID to market.

Sixth, to play catch up with Apple, Samsung will integrate a still immature Validity fingerprint sensor in its new Galaxy S5.

Ming's words contradict Samsung's co-CEOs' words by a wide margin!
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They can't even get the 32-bit Android running smoothly on a 32-bit chip!  Even with 8-cores, it'll still run like s**t.

I believe the standard response is that Android is already 64-bit or that you don't need 64-bit. The other meme seems to be that because "Samsung makes the A7" they must get all the 64-bit credit, not Apple, because Apple never invented anything.

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Eventually all of Apple's iPhones will include Touch ID but it's going to somewhat difficult for Android devices, especially at the low- and mid-tier price points to include trouble-free fingerprint sensors. Apple may have some advantage there if consumers really do like using fingerprint scanners as a security feature. Apple needs to leverage Touch ID security in their marketing strategy when it comes to mobile payments. I figure Samsung will quickly figure out how to reverse-engineer Touch ID components but I doubt they'll willingly pass that secret on to competitors. Apple absolutely has to find some market to sell products in that isn't totally dominated by Android. I wish that Samsung would hurry up and start using Tizen OS in order to slow down Android's continued growth.

I doubt the Galaxy S5 will be a must-have smartphone for many consumers because if the Galaxy S4 wasn't selling in high numbers it's likely because it was over-featured and less expensive models were good enough. There's only so many new things that Samsung can offer for the Galaxy S5 and they'll mostly be evolutionary features. Offering a slightly better display isn't going to excite buyers all that much. Samsung is going to have to run into the same problems Apple is where the pundits start griping about how there isn't enough reason to upgrade because there's not enough changes from last year's model to make it worthwhile.
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"Fingerprint is necessary for a star model," Kuo writes. "Because Apple's iPhone 5S and HTC's One Max have fingerprint, S5 the star model can't lack the function even [if] the solution (area type same as iPhone 5S's provided by Validity) is not as mature as iPhone 5S's."

 

This is the area where the competition has always been outclassed by Apple. 

 

You don't bolt on an inferior implementation just to say that you've got it as well. 

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Oh yeah, and a fingerprint sensor that is not going to work. I bet you won't even be able to use it to make purchases from the Google Play store. And I bet security experts are going to have a field day with the implementation

Samsung version is to be brilliantly simple.

Touching finger to sensor a voice comes on and says, “Yes, it’s me. This transaction is good one."

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“It’s 32-bit, but it will have eight cores, so really that’s 256-bit and Apple’s four times as slow.”

 

Better yet, make it a twelve-core 8S - I couldn't care less anyway.

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They can't even get the 32-bit Android running smoothly on a 32-bit chip!  Even with 8-cores, it'll still run like s**t.

I was using a friends galaxy 4 yesterday to browse the Internet, and it stuttered the whole time. Compare that to safari on my iPhone 5, the way the pages zoom in and out, you can flick through pages in 3D with zero lag. And I love the new safari, fortunately 78% of ios devices run the latest os, so they can enjoy those features today. Samsung users will have to wait a year or two.
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I believe the standard response is that Android is already 64-bit or that you don't need 64-bit. The other meme seems to be that because "Samsung makes the A7" they must get all the 64-bit credit, not Apple, because Apple never invented anything.

I would like to point out that Apple uses an Arm processor(which happens to be built by Samsung). It is all Arm technology, no invention required from Samsung, they merely produce the parts based on a design supplied from Apple. Another interesting factoid: Arm processors are the product of Arm, Ltd. of which Apple has a 42.3% ownership of. Samsung, only appears in this product, because they are currently the foundry used, and as presented in one of the Apple v. Samsung court cases, Samsung's lawyers would like for you to believe that Samsung the smartphone maker, and Samsung the hardware manufacturer are essentially two different companies, and they do not leverage the information of what tech is going into their competitors phones to enhance their own smartphones, whether this is true or not, I cannot say with confidence.

Having presented you with this information, would you like to re-iterate your stance on who deserves credit, the builder drone or the company that has helped to finance the innovation of processors for the betterment of the entire industry, as well as optimize a design and commission it's SoC for use in it's iPhone Tech?
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So, it comes down to the same plastic flagship phone. But bigger

Oh yeah, and a fingerprint sensor that is not going to work. I bet you won't even be able to use it to make purchases from the Google Play store. And I bet security experts are going to have a field day with the implementation


This will hurt Samsung.  Unlike the gimmicky hand gesturing, people will actually want to use this.  And, it won't work well.

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We all know it's not going to work. I'm just wondering what the excuse will be from all those bed-wetting fandroids after criticizing Apple's TouchID and calling it a gimmick, and insecure, and how nobody would use it.

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Another interesting factoid: Arm processors are the product of Arm, Ltd. of which Apple has a 42.3% ownership of. 

 

I don't believe Apple has any ownership of ARM anymore despite they were one of the founders (Acorn, Apple, and VLSI). Pretty sure they divested themselves early in Jobs' return to Apple as one way to get cash back to fund Apple's "rebirth". They are now licensees like many others. Of course, they are also the first ones to bring a product to market with the 64 bit core / architecture.

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Instead of focusing on the currently still irrelevant fact that the SoC is only 32bit, you should have noticed that the camera is a 16MP phase detection autofocus unit. Autofocus right now is arguably the weakest point of Apple's cameras. If Samsung pulls this off well, this may take them a significant step ahead.
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I would like to point out that Apple uses an Arm processor(which happens to be built by Samsung). It is all Arm technology, no invention required from Samsung, they merely produce the parts based on a design supplied from Apple. Another interesting factoid: Arm processors are the product of Arm, Ltd. of which Apple has a 42.3% ownership of. Samsung, only appears in this product, because they are currently the foundry used, and as presented in one of the Apple v. Samsung court cases, Samsung's lawyers would like for you to believe that Samsung the smartphone maker, and Samsung the hardware manufacturer are essentially two different companies, and they do not leverage the information of what tech is going into their competitors phones to enhance their own smartphones, whether this is true or not, I cannot say with confidence.

Having presented you with this information, would you like to re-iterate your stance on who deserves credit, the builder drone or the company that has helped to finance the innovation of processors for the betterment of the entire industry, as well as optimize a design and commission it's SoC for use in it's iPhone Tech?

 

You are taking my post way too seriously.

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"a 16-megapixel rear shooter"

 

is that to get higher def selfie pics of owns own bell-end?

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I'm starting to suspect that Ming-Chi Kuo is sending AppleInsider these press releases whenever AI writes "in a research note obtained by AppleInsider".

Also "research note" = rumor & guesswork published as a self-promoting press release. AppleInsider is just publicizing these press releases.

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HEADLINE: Speculation rises as AppleInsider readers catch on to increasing likelihood that widely read blog "AppleInsider" is dependent on highly speculative and often misleading Apple stock analyst notes to retain page views. A three-thousand word essay by Daniel Eran Dilger will seek to further speculate on and analyze this developng story.

 

If you start a website like AppleInsider, you'll get a ton of emails that are literally press releases--it's technically spam since you didn't sign up for any of it--from companies that have stuff to sell, new products, new apps, and analysts who have "reports" to publicize. It doesn't cost AppleInsider a lot to regurgitate that for "content." They just rephrase/reword the press release, emphasizing the juicy parts, and Ming-Chi Kuo gets free publicity. For that reason, it's not particularly worthy content. I wouldn't put any "analyst report" against the original content that, say, Ars Technica writers create (they're more pro-Android, but at least it is original).

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If you start a website like AppleInsider, you'll get a ton of emails that are literally press releases--it's technically spam since you didn't sign up for any of it--from companies that have stuff to sell, new products, new apps, and analysts who have "reports" to publicize. It doesn't cost AppleInsider a lot to regurgitate that for "content." They just rephrase/reword the press release, emphasizing the juicy parts, and Ming-Chi Kuo gets free publicity. For that reason, it's not particularly worthy content. I wouldn't put any "analyst report" against the original content that, say, Ars Technica writers create (they're more pro-Android, but at least it is original).
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I'm starting to suspect that Ming-Chi Kuo is sending AppleInsider these press releases whenever AI writes "in a research note obtained by AppleInsider".

Also "research note" = rumor & guesswork published as a self-promoting press release. AppleInsider is just publicizing these press releases.

Yep.

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Introducing he S Touch ID, only available in the new Galaxy S 5 S touch ID. One of ten new Galaxy S 5 models.
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32 bit. How quaint.
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