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Two of Apple's fiercest rivals --?Android maker Google and electronics titan Samsung --?have inked a decade-long, global cross-licensing agreement granting each company access to the other's intellectual property troves.

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The deal includes both existing patents and new patents filed over the next 10 years, according to a press release issued early Monday morning in South Korea. It appears that the agreement extends beyond patents centered around the mobile devices business or Google's Android operating system, instead covering a "broad range of technologies and business areas."

Samsung and Google "gain access to each other's industry-leading patent portfolios, paving the way for deeper collaboration on research and development of current and future products and technologies," the statement reads. Both companies participate in a diverse array of markets --?Samsung is also one of the world's largest semiconductor manufacturers, for instance, while Google has expanded beyond its search engine roots with interests in fields like biomedical sensors and robotics.

Allen Lo, Google's deputy general counsel for patents, said the Mountain View, Calif. company is "pleased to enter into a cross-license with our partner Samsung. By working together on agreements like this, companies can reduce the potential for litigation and focus instead on innovation."

Lo's Samsung counterpart, Dr. Seungho Ahn, echoed the former's sentiment. "Samsung and Google are showing the rest of the industry that there is more to gain from cooperating than engaging in unnecessary patent disputes," he said.

Monday's announcement comes as both companies are engaged in multiple worldwide legal battles with Apple, though those may be on the verge of winding down. Google's Motorola unit has suffered multiple losses in litigation against the iPhone maker, while Apple and Samsung are thought to be close to reaching a patent accord of their own in advance of a new trial that would begin later in the spring.
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I’d say I’m surprised, but I know better.

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"Samsung and Google are showing the rest of the industry that there is more to gain from cooperating than engaging in unnecessary patent disputes".

 

Looks like a typo there - I'm sure that should be "copying" rather than "cooperating".

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Google has betrayed America by stealing apple's secrets and then allowing to leak out.  They were on the board of directors for apple and produced great collabrative work, but now they taking what isn't thiers and giving it away.  I feel like im am talking like radicalzied nutcase, but I am so angry at Google.

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Google should have learned to cooperate when:

* They refused to pay anyone for all the patents Android violate. Oracle's Java suit would be interesting to watch.

* They rejected MS' offer to bid for Nortel patents together.

* They bought Motorola to sue Apple and MS over SEP patents

Why can't they just pay the licenses like a proper business ? It's not like they are broke.

Right now, it just sounds like they stole people's stuff, try to shop everything cool, then hi-5 with another SEP offender to put up a dazzling show; hopefully no one notices.

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Google has betrayed America by stealing apple's secrets and then allowing to leak out.  They were on the board of directors for apple and produced great collabrative work, but now they taking what isn't thiers and giving it away.  I feel like im am talking like radicalzied nutcase, but I am so angry at Google.

 

Good point; I'd never looked at it like that before.  Google stole from Apple and thereby enabled Samsung to make billions.  I'm no flag-waving, right-winger, but our economy is in decline and we don't need thieves like Google hurting us even more!

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I feel like im am talking like radicalzied nutcase

 

Yes.

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Offtopic:

 

I have never seen the front face of Google's Mountain View HQ, until now: The Music Project approach to I-beam art meets/function is fine. The butt-ugly 70s HP glass behind it is painful.

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On-topic:

 

This cross-licensing won't indemnify them from squat. It's intent will not hinder Apple or Microsoft from suing the crap out of them.

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The phrase that came to mind when seeing those too joining forces is 'the Axis powers'.
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Looks like Google will soon know what you watch with your Samsung television, what food you have in your Samsung refrigerator, what time you eat dinner with your Samsung microwave, how often you do your laundry with your Samsung washer/dryer and who knows what else when Samsung imbed Google tech into their chips. And not to mention with the Nest thermostat and Android in your car, Google will know what time you wake up, what time you leave for work, what kind of car you drive, where you work, what time you leave work, what time you get home, what time you go to sleep, where you are in your home when you're home , where you go on your days off and where you like to shop. 

 

Time for Apple to release a new "1984" commercial with an image of Eric Schmidt on the big screen. 

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If you take two crappy tennis players who have never won anything in their life, and then have them form a doubles team, are you going to expect them to start winning?

Likewise two useless patent portfolios (in terms of court victories) will not become more powerful because they're pooled together.

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It's not that haphazard.

 

Google want to play God.

 

Where disputes are concerned, they want to stay behind the scene without getting their hands dirty. Let Samsung, and other Android licensees do the wet work.

 

Where credits are concerned, they want it all. Like Microsoft buying out the major motion tracking companies, Google want to buy out all the major promising players to stop Apple's advances. Then again, the world is very big. :-)

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If you take two crappy tennis players who have never won anything in their life, and then have them form a doubles team, are you going to expect them to start winning?

IIRC they are dominating the world market (80+ %).
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IIRC they are dominating the world market (80+ %).

 

Nah... marketshare is not everything. Not saying they are doing a crappy job, but they need to make enough money to sustain their high spending.

 

The Chinese will eventually choose their own destiny. They will use their own app store and services when their government is ready. None of the American sites and services made it there during the Internet boom. None of them will be allowed to dominate in the mobile boom. Apple will only aim for the premium market, like the Mac. So they should be fine.

 

The Indian market will likely remain fragmented.

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IIRC they are dominating the world market (80+ %).
So is McDonalds for burgers. Doesn't mean they make great burgers. I sure as hell won't eat there.

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IIRC they are dominating the world market (80+ %).

And if I read this article correctly, it has nothing to do with market share and everything to do with intellectual property.  You're commenting on the wrong article.

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Do No Evil, indeed...

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Nah... marketshare is not everything. Not saying they are doing a crappy job, but they need to make enough money to sustain their high spending.

 

The Chinese will eventually choose their own destiny. They will use their own app store and services when their government is ready. None of the American sites and services made it there during the Internet boom. None of them will be allowed to dominate in the mobile boom. Apple will only aim for the premium market, like the Mac. So they should be fine.

 

The Indian market will likely remain fragmented.

 

Samsung is a HUGE company.  it is like nokia back in the days when nokia was a huge company (making everything including tires).  Samsung has many branches and tonnes of market share and tonnes of money.  

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So Samsung will be able to manufacture/monetize any ideas Google comes up with for the next 10 years? That is a massive exporting of American knowhow. They just purchased Boston Dynamics who were making all the defence robots.

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The phrase that came to mind when seeing those too joining forces is 'the Axis powers'.

The phrase that came to my mind was "A deal with the devil." But I couldn't figure out which was the devil...?

I see Samsung using Google's patents and coming out with their own OS that trumps Android and leave smarmy Shimts and Pages standing there with their jaws on the floor.
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I wonder how this might affect Android and Tizen. Could Google use patents relating to Tizen to circumvent Oracle? Or could Samsung use patents relating to Android to beef up Tizen? Imagine if Android was crippled between the Oracle/Apple patent suits and Microsoft patent fees, and Samsung then offers Tizen as an "unencumbered" replacement to the other handset manufacturers (for a fee, of course). Stab in the back to Google?

 

Probably not, but…

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The phrase that came to my mind was "A deal with the devil." But I couldn't figure out which was the devil...?

I see Samsung using Google's patents and coming out with their own OS that trumps Android and leave smarmy Shimts and Pages standing there with their jaws on the floor.

Well played Mack, you beat me to it. ;) 

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Great minds think along the same lines (or at least similar ones)

 

Just posted by Florian Mueller, author of the often quoted FOSS PATENTS blog: Samsung's patent deal with Google suggests concern about ability to settle with Apple soon

 

"As long as Samsung primarily makes Android-based devices, it doesn't need a deal with Google, or vice versa, to avoid litigation between the two. If Samsung switched to an alternative platform like Tizen, then the agreement might make a difference, but since the scope was not announced, it's possible that Google reserved the right to sue Samsung over non-Android devices."

 

http://www.fosspatents.com/2014/01/samsungs-patent-deal-with-google.html

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The phrase that came to my mind was "A deal with the devil." But I couldn't figure out which was the devil...?

I see Samsung using Google's patents and coming out with their own OS that trumps Android and leave smarmy Shimts and Pages standing there with their jaws on the floor.

I was thinking the same thing. This is solely a deal for Samsung to indemnify themselves when they switch to Tizen.
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So Nest production goes abroad!
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Samsung is a HUGE company.  it is like nokia back in the days when nokia was a huge company (making everything including tires).  Samsung has many branches and tonnes of market share and tonnes of money.  
And look how that worked out for them.
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Do No Evil, indeed...

 

"Do? No, evil"

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Ok , so that means now they can cross copy each other while they keep stealing from others for next 10 years...
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My favorite line:

 

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Lo's Samsung counterpart, Dr. Seungho Ahn, echoed the former's sentiment. "Samsung and Google are showing the rest of the industry that there is more to gain from cooperating than engaging in unnecessary patent disputes," he said.

 

Because of course, two partners in crime, who already cooperate copying everyone else, tying the not further will certainly show the rest of the industry about cooperating instead of litigating. Unbelievable.

 

If anything this would seem to have more to do with Samsung being able to produce and market products with Google's acquired technologies than anything else. As for Samsung's mobile unit, it may have to do with Tizen... or not. Either way, now they can look at each other's copies and compare notes.

 

Just pondering... :)

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Google should have learned to cooperate when:

* They refused to pay anyone for all the patents Android violate. Oracle's Java suit would be interesting to watch.(

Except when they pay for patent licenses.. .
and the Oracle case isn't about patents.
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Google should have learned to cooperate when:

* They rejected MS' offer to bid for Nortel patents together.(

That might have been true if they were asked. They weren't. You're confusing companies.
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Google should have learned to cooperate when:

* They bought Motorola to sue Apple and MS over SEP patents

Yet they haven't sued Apple or Microsoft over any patents at all, much less SEP's. You're again confused, this time by old Motorola lawsuits that even predated Motorola Mobility.
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Why can't they just pay the licenses like a proper business ? It's not like they are broke.

See the first comment.

As for the Samsung/Google licensing I suspect they may not always be business partners regarding Android. When the break-up happens, and IMO it will, at least these two won't be starting a fresh round of patent battles between themselves. The bigger story is Samsung settling with Ericsson on a licensing agreement. Reports are that Sammy will be paying a 9-figure sum 1eek.gif. Guess Samsung must be on a licensing binge.
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And look how that worked out for them.
 
Originally Posted by revenant View Post

Samsung is a HUGE company.  it is like nokia back in the days when nokia was a huge company (making everything including tires).  Samsung has many branches and tonnes of market share and tonnes of money.  
 
Originally Posted by revenant View Post

Samsung is a HUGE company.  it is like nokia back in the days when nokia was a huge company (making everything including tires).  Samsung has many branches and tonnes of market share and tonnes of money.  
And look how that worked out for them.

 

Nokia decided to work on phones.  Samsung is continuing to make electronics of various forms, buildings, cars and what not.  they will be fine.

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So who wins in this deal? I think Samsung. As pointed out by MacBook Pro, Tizen may now be isolated from litigation. Samsung can continue to nurture it for the low end phones (as a future replacement for Android?).

 

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This is solely a deal for Samsung to indemnify themselves when they switch to Tizen.

 

But I also think Samsung can now significantly expand their product portfolio. Samsung Glass, anyone? Samsung makes a lot of home appliance products already, so adding Nest-like products fits in. Boston Dynamics? How about assisted living devices/robots. Google's content deals may benefit Samsung's TV line.

 

But Google's lawyers are smart, so I'm sure there's some benefit that Google's getting that I'm not thinking about...

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I feel bad for Motorola, all their patents which have a lot more value than anything that Samsung probably has have been handed over to Samsung. Samsung was Motorola enemy as well since they stole many of Motorola's cell phone idea in the past but Motorola never went after them like Apple is doing.

 

Also, Motorola Solution still exist and makes two way radios, and they are still the largest in the world and gives Samsung access to all their patents so they can start duplicated what they do. In additions the Motorola home business (Now ARRIS) which does all the equipment for the video cable industry has their IP also in the mix so Samsung has been trying to break into this market for years, now they will know all the secrets.

 

This is whats when you have a company like Google which does not make their money from making anything other than services they do not care about the technology and what it takes to develop this stuff, they just gave it all away.


Edited by Maestro64 - 1/27/14 at 5:41am
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This is about the most pointless thing ever. This might be some sort of news if these two weren't already in bed together. The only thing that I see this as is Google buying off Samsung to keep making Android phones instead of making their own mobile OS. Although, given Samsung's penchant for copying, this might come back to bite Google in the butt.
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It's not that haphazard.

 

Google want to play God.

 

Where disputes are concerned, they want to stay behind the scene without getting their hands dirty. Let Samsung, and other Android licensees do the wet work.

 

Where credits are concerned, they want it all. Like Microsoft buying out the major motion tracking companies, Google want to buy out all the major promising players to stop Apple's advances. Then again, the world is very big. :-)

 

That wasn't their choice though, it was Apple's. Apple chose to pursue those who manufacture the Android devices through the courts, rather than  Google. 

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I have never seen the front face of Google's Mountain View HQ, until now: The Music Project approach to I-beam art meets/function is fine. The butt-ugly 70s HP glass behind it is painful.

Neither had I. When I look at it I see Android's fragmentation. It's like they threw (up) a bunch of beams hoping they would support the building. I know art is in the yes of the beholder but this beholder thinks the building looks like it's either unfinished or an earthquake hit it.

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Looks like Google will soon know what you watch with your Samsung television, what food you have in your Samsung refrigerator, what time you eat dinner with your Samsung microwave, how often you do your laundry with your Samsung washer/dryer and who knows what else when Samsung imbed Google tech into their chips. And not to mention with the Nest thermostat and Android in your car, Google will know what time you wake up, what time you leave for work, what kind of car you drive, where you work, what time you leave work, what time you get home, what time you go to sleep, where you are in your home when you're home , where you go on your days off and where you like to shop. 

Time for Apple to release a new "1984" commercial with an image of Eric Schmidt on the big screen. 

I don't think Google and Samsung are in cahoots the way you envision it. Samsung never mentions Android in any of it's presentations, and did not include any of Google's native apps in the SGS 2. Plus the software in Samsung's Smart TV is not Android.
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I feel bad for Motorola, all their patents which have a lot more value than anything that Samsung probably has have been handed over to Samsung. Samsung was Motorola enemy as well since they stole many of Motorola's cell phone idea in the past but Motorola never went after them like Apple is doing.

Also, Motorola Solution still exist and makes two way radios, and they are still the largest in the world and gives Samsung access to all their patents so they can start duplicated what they do. In additions the Motorola home business (Now ARRIS) which does all the equipment for the video cable industry has their IP also in the mix so Samsung has been trying to break into this market for years, now they will know all the secrets.

This is whats when you have a company like Google which does not make their money from making anything other than services they do not care about the technology and what it takes to develop this stuff, they just gave it all away.

Google bought Motorola Mobility, which is only cell phones and bluetooth devices. 2 way radios (walkie talkies) is not part of the deal nor are the set top boxes.
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