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it could just be they want to highlight the product more due to the decline in iPod sales, and I'm sure what must be lower numbers of visitors to that part of the site. The rumours regarding the refresh are rather intriguing though. I can see gaming capabilities finding place in the living room, for example during family gatherings at Xmas when traditionally board games appear.
it makes sense why it is no longer under iPod section however they could have done something else than its own section, I'm pretty sure it has less total sales than iPod and if it is higher the section could be renamed from iPod to music and TV or something.

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I'm ready to cash in my 75 dollar Apple Store credit for buying an iPad Air on Black Friday.

Bought my Gen 3 Apple TV when it launched a couple of years ago in March and it has gotten a LOT of use.

I think that it's time for an Apple TV app store. I don't just want games I want news, podcasts and more coming from 3rd party.

Integrating an 11ac router would be awesome because it can extend your network to every room that has a display. It also reduces the need to be redundant with an Airport Express and Apple TV.

I'd like BT control of Apple TV via iPad and iPhone/iPod Touch rather than wifi. I'd like a new UI that mirrors the Apple TV display to your Mac or iOS device.

I'd like higher bit-rate support for audio (24/96)

I'd like Siri control of the Apple TV if you have a Siri enabled iOS device.

I'd like synchronization of audio across all Apple TV
Built in router, sounds pretty interesting however the Mac feature is good enough now

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It’s a streaming device. There won’t be internal storage increases. It has 8GB now to buffer an entire HD movie at once. Other than that they don’t care.

I’d love something that does hardware decoding of h.265. That would be great.

Not really needed, is all.

Apple Remote. Want better, use your iOS device.

Channels. No need for apps.

And if it has the “router built in” like one rumor says, that cuts in half the latency between the streamed game from the iOS controller playing on it.
Internal storage could increase if price is increased, 8 gb is a starter However the new one could have IPad configs starting at $150-400

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$400 sounds a bit on the high side. 

Toss in a A7 which has more than enough Oomph for games.   Add the Routing functionality and 16GB of NAND storage (should cost no more than the 8GB that Gen 3 comes with)  

I'm thinking $199-249  

Apple keeps Gen 3 around at $99 for those that don't need the extra features. 
good starter specs

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Heart attacks from people having to redownload their games every time they want to play them? I don’t think so.
Sorry but on IOS/Mac OS I am having the problem with that, vs the grafting to put in a disk every time now, not to mention the potential games and such.
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How about Infinity Blade III...

To paraphrase: "The A7 [and iOS 7] eats everything else for lunch".


Infinity Blade lll? Yes but how many games are like that?

I suspect that there will be lots of them within 6 months.

In earlier posts, I suggested how Apple could sell a 16GB SSD A7 AppleTV for $150 at a 49% margin.

The AppleTV is an IOS device (it ca be JailBroken) -- so any app that runs on an iOS device could be readily converted to the AppleTV given available APIs:
  • get input from WiFi/BT game controller or iDevice touch screen
  • direct output to TV
  • mirror to iDevice display if desired

The programmer of Infinity Blade III said it took 2 hours (by himself) to upgrade the app to iOS 7 64-bit to exploit the A7 hardware.

Apple requires that any new apps submitted to the iOS App store be 64-bit compatible.

So, Just like when the iPad was announced, developers (especially game developers) need to rethink their apps for AppleTV -- only this should be easier.


If a new AppleTV is imminent, then I suspect that game and content developers have been seeded with early hardware and SDKs.

I would expect concurrent app availability with the AppleTV
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post #83 of 106

as far as the remote  

i bought a GE  and a 4 function RCA universal remote and its soooooo easy to program just have to make sure the universal remote has dvr buttons to take advantage of the full tav settings.  THEY WORK GREAT

 

the apple remote is way cool  but way easy to lose

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If it was so simple, why hasn't Apple solved it yet?
Because no one gives a shit if there's a 10ms lag?

I am sure that's why gaming is HUGE on AppleTV.
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If it was so simple, why hasn't Apple solved it yet?

I said nothing about it being simple. I said it was solvable.

Seems they may be close, if the rumor’s right.

Fair point.
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I think because there hasn't been as much of an incentive. Infinity Blade is a solid game on a technical level that shows the capabilities of the platform. I think that if Apple really does want to do gaming on the TV, developers will have an incentive to push the limits beyond Angry Birds when it comes to casual gaming and a bit more intense games like Infinity Blade. Although is memory serves, Infinity Blade was actually quite lucrative for chair.

I'm not much of a gamer anymore and I know that launch titles on consoles aren't really indicative of where the platform is going, but I remember seeing that a somewhat casual game, Resogun, was getting a lot of love on the PS4 at launch. I think there is a huge market for casual games on the TV, not looking at Nintendo's issues with the Wii U, which hasn't done as well for a variety of reasons.

I agree but casual games on a console and one on a mobile device are quite different.
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post #87 of 106

Another possible reason to split out the Apple TV from the iPod section is that perhaps the iPod section will be phased out at some point in the not-so-distant future...

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I agree but casual games on a console and one on a mobile device are quite different.

 

I completely agree but I also think the target demographics are different to an extent. I would equate it to someone that owns an iPhone or iPod touch instead of a PSP (not including those that own both as they are outliers in my opinion). Those that are interested in playing games on iOS might not really be interested in the PSP. I wouldn't be surprised if the hits Nintendo has been taking with the 3DS is in large part due to gaming on iOS and even Android. 

 

I also think the barrier of entry to develop on iOS is lower. From what I've been hearing is that Microsoft and Sony have come around a bit to smaller developers and casual gaming by making it easier to release on their platforms but I think the entire Apple ecosystem is ahead of the game, no pun intended. Developing and releasing content on the App Store is for the most part, straightforward. We have also seen that both Apple and developers are willing to do iOS exclusives or initially release on iOS versus rival platforms, and I think that if Apple makes a play for gaming in the living room, we will see more of them.

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I'm assuming that this means they no longer consider the Apple TV a hobby.
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Great, but how about NFL, so we can stream the SuperBowl and then the whole season?  American College Football would be nice too...  

 

I want the Speed2 channel too!  http://www.speed2.com

 

The biggest feature needed is so I can turn on my HDTV and it goes direct to Apple TV -- need better integration with TV manufacturers!

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Great, but how about NFL, so we can stream the SuperBowl and then the whole season?  American College Football would be nice too...  

I want the Speed2 channel too!  http://www.speed2.com

The biggest feature needed is so I can turn on my HDTV and it goes direct to Apple TV -- need better integration with TV manufacturers!

From what I can recall, the NFL is married to DirecTV for now. I think negotiations have been going on since last year for when the contract expires. It's probably one of the biggest sports distribution contracts that goes up and it's a multi-billion, multi-year agreement.
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So it can have a plethora of in-app purchases that ultimately make it more expensive? I'd rather pay the full nut once than get nickel and dimed to death. I'm not doubting that they can make a decent gaming device but would it disrupt the console market? Maybe, but they're doing a fine job disrupting themselves.

In Denmark, FIFA 14 on iOS costs 1/15 of the console version, with the game features unlocked. Truth is that consoles are cheap, but console games are very expensive.

All that could be changed by an Apple TV at the right price point. It'll never run my fav game (WoW), but casual gaming on my biiig Samsung LED TV? Yes please!
post #93 of 106
First I would like apple to become my TV subscription service offer alacart programming time warner will never do that

Apple TV with and with out express when I got my new time capsule it improved house coverage I don't need an additional router also don't wireless extenders cut the speed by 1/2??

Make it 64 bit and push higher end games

Improve interface throughout

Give BT access to headsets to help assesibility

Second input with DVr for over the air broadcast
I'd cut the cable and get an hd antenna
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post #94 of 106
Ya' know...

We've been talking about the living room and playing games on the AppleTV.... Maybe even some multiplayer games on the AppleTV using our iPads or iPhones as game controllers/mirrors.

Think about that, a multiplayer game using AirPlay and iDevices as controllers/mirrors -- is a form of collaboration.


We may be ignoring the elephant in the room!

For AppleTV, the elephant in the room may be the room itself


Think about collaboration in the classroom, meeting room, lunchroom, boardroom, lecture room, operating room, examination room…


It's been a while, but the last time I looked -- most classrooms have a TV. What if those classroom TVs had an AppleTV with apps that let the teacher and the students collaborate with their iPads.

The same thing goes for all the other rooms listed above…


I suspect that there is rooms for Apple to sell hundreds of millions of AppleTVs.
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What the heck is a "set-top box"?

Okay, I'm old enough to know what it is, but the term is an anachronism just like me. It has no value as a metaphor now, given the virtual impossibility of balancing anything on top of a modern flat-panel television.  Can't they please find a new term for it?

To reiterate what another poster said, our language is literally laced with archaic terminology. Probably half of the terms you use on a daily basis are archaic in origin, but the meaning has evolved with the times. So for example, I suspect your phone no longer has a rotary dial on it, but we still use the term "dial" to refer to entering a number on a phone to make a call. Better yet, I suspect that you do not have to use a whip to drive a team of horses or oxen pulling your car, but we still refer to the person operating the car as the "driver."
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Fix iTunes or iOS 7 first- Tired of "waiting for changes to be applied" . Can't synch- discussion boards full of complaints.
 
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I've been living with Apple TVs about 3 years now and the main complaint i've got about it is boy do I hate that included remote. While the remote looks nice and makes a great first impression, the initial "wow it's so tiny, and it's aluminium" honeymoon period eventually wears off and the grim reality of the fact that it not only is crappy old IR technology, but additionally has a miserably-narrow and somewhat weak signal band for an IR remote sets in.

And don't get me started on that "remote app". By the time I've actually gotten the app opened I'm bored. Apple needs to produce a decent bluetooth keyboard remote. And I'm mean ASAP! And no, I'm not talking about Apple's bluetooth keyboard on my sofa or ottoman. I'm talking about something along the lines of this:



Even as an optional extra I'd buy something like this in a heartbeat. Perhaps this is a good Kickstarted project for someone? Because if I knew the first thing to do and had the facilities I'd be producing the blasted thing. Sadly this Boxee remote will not work with the Apple TV :-(

I use my Harmony universal remote to control my entire system, including the AppleTV.  Having multiple remotes is a pain-in-the-rear even if each remote is designed as well as it could be (which they usually aren't).  I anticipate that Apple is headed in a similar direction (reducing the number of remotes you need for total system control down to just one or none) so I wouldn't expect to see them do much with regard to improving that silly little remote that comes with the AppleTV.  I think that within a year we will be much happier with whatever solution replaces it.

 

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I think the most interesting thing about this move (that no one has mentioned) is this link:

 

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_appletv/family/appletv

 

This is what you see when you click the far right button in the Apple TV category.

 

I’ll type it again:

 

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_appletv/family/appletv

 

See that? Know what else has that subcategory?

 

… Crap, nothing. I figured the MacBook lines and the AirPort family would have the subcategory, but, uh… they don’t. Oh well. I still find it interesting, since it’s not needed for ONE product being sold.

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Oh yes 

 

Make it 4K UHD Apple.  

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I think the most interesting thing about this move (that no one has mentioned) is this link:

 

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_appletv/family/appletv

 

This is what you see when you click the far right button in the Apple TV category.

 

I’ll type it again:

 

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_appletv/family/appletv

 

See that? Know what else has that subcategory?

 

… Crap, nothing. I figured the MacBook lines and the AirPort family would have the subcategory, but, uh… they don’t. Oh well. I still find it interesting, since it’s not needed for ONE product being sold.

Ha, good catch. I love my Apple TV, and I'd love it even more if I have a family of devices to choose from.

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Ya' know...

We've been talking about the living room and playing games on the AppleTV.... Maybe even some multiplayer games on the AppleTV using our iPads or iPhones as game controllers/mirrors.

Think about that, a multiplayer game using AirPlay and iDevices as controllers/mirrors -- is a form of collaboration.


We may be ignoring the elephant in the room!

For AppleTV, the elephant in the room may be the room itself


Think about collaboration in the classroom, meeting room, lunchroom, boardroom, lecture room, operating room, examination room…


It's been a while, but the last time I looked -- most classrooms have a TV. What if those classroom TVs had an AppleTV with apps that let the teacher and the students collaborate with their iPads.

The same thing goes for all the other rooms listed above…


I suspect that there is rooms for Apple to sell hundreds of millions of AppleTVs.

I am in Pro AV, and I see quite a few AppleTVs in meeting rooms, and even construction trailers during the process of getting facilities built. It's a great way to put up PDF plans on a projector from an iPad for collaboration purposes. Obviously, not everyone has MacBooks out there, but there are certain companies that have enough users with MacBooks to further justify having some ATVs on hand for a cheap and easy way to wirelessly connect to a projector. Right now, I'm not so sure all the tools are there for larger deployments in the enterprise, or classrooms for that matter (how would one manage hundreds of ATVs in a facility?), but if anyone out there has some suggestions, I'd like to hear them.

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Ya' know...


We've been talking about the living room and playing games on the AppleTV.... Maybe even some multiplayer games on the AppleTV using our iPads or iPhones as game controllers/mirrors.


Think about that, a multiplayer game using AirPlay and iDevices as controllers/mirrors -- is a form of collaboration.



We may be ignoring the elephant in the room!


For AppleTV, the elephant in the room may be the room itself



Think about collaboration in the classroom, meeting room, lunchroom, boardroom, lecture room, operating room, examination room…



It's been a while, but the last time I looked -- most classrooms have a TV. What if those classroom TVs had an AppleTV with apps that let the teacher and the students collaborate with their iPads.


The same thing goes for all the other rooms listed above…



I suspect that there is rooms for Apple to sell hundreds of millions of AppleTVs.
I am in Pro AV, and I see quite a few AppleTVs in meeting rooms, and even construction trailers during the process of getting facilities built. It's a great way to put up PDF plans on a projector from an iPad for collaboration purposes. Obviously, not everyone has MacBooks out there, but there are certain companies that have enough users with MacBooks to further justify having some ATVs on hand for a cheap and easy way to wirelessly connect to a projector. Right now, I'm not so sure all the tools are there for larger deployments in the enterprise, or classrooms for that matter (how would one manage hundreds of ATVs in a facility?), but if anyone out there has some suggestions, I'd like to hear them.

I can think of several ways…

In the way I'm thinking about it, each location (classroom for example) would have an ad hoc network for the students and the teacher within the classroom -- while they are within that particular classroom... So, the teacher would control and delegate access to the AppleTVs within the room -- a blank sate, so to speak.

Now, students go from classroom to classroom throughout the day based upon their schedule. Each student's iPad could look for a specific connection to whatever AppleTVs are in the classroom that they're supposed to be in, at a given time of the day.

IBeacons could be used to detect proximity, and negotiate an AirPlay WiFi standby connection with the AppleTVs. Then, the instructor could enable individuals to go from standby to active AirPlay, as desired...

Not too difficult really... Considering we were doing something similar to this in 1980 on Apple ][ computers on a classroom network.

The new Library - Event/Clip paradigm in iMovie and FCP 10.1 is a graphic representation of an SQLite database -- that could manage AppleTV AirPlay access quite nicely!
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I can think of several ways…

In the way I'm thinking about it, each location (classroom for example) would have an ad hoc network for the students and the teacher within the classroom -- while they are within that particular classroom... So, the teacher would control and delegate access to the AppleTVs within the room -- a blank sate, so to speak.

Now, students go from classroom to classroom throughout the day based upon their schedule. Each student's iPad could look for a specific connection to whatever AppleTVs are in the classroom that they're supposed to be in, at a given time of the day.

IBeacons could be used to detect proximity, and negotiate an AirPlay WiFi standby connection with the AppleTVs. Then, the instructor could enable individuals to go from standby to active AirPlay, as desired...

Not too difficult really... Considering we were doing something similar to this in 1980 on Apple ][ computers on a classroom network.

The new Library - Event/Clip paradigm in iMovie and FCP 10.1 is a graphic representation of an SQLite database -- that could manage AppleTV AirPlay access quite nicely!

 

Hmm, some good ideas in there. Seems like a custom app would be required to make it all work, though wouldn't it? Not that that is a deal-breaker. Including iBeacon for proximity detection is a nice touch.

 

A potential hang is that each ATV has to be configured individually (so far as I know). If there was some way to configure/image a bunch of ATVs at once, that would really help. 

 

The corporate meeting room scenario might be a bit thornier. In these environments, it is easy to provide a cable to anyone, even a guest, to connect a laptop to a projector (iPad cable adapters not as commonly available, but easy too). Requiring guests to connect to a corporate network to display on screen is not as straightforward and would likely bump into IT policy issues. Even ad hoc networks might not go over too well. 

 

There are commercial products designed for wireless connection to displays, but they are usually much more expensive, or limited (or both). A $99 ATV is a real bargain in this application.

 

Anyway, I appreciate the food for thought. I'm looking forward to seeing what direction this "room" use of AppleTV might take.

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I can think of several ways…


In the way I'm thinking about it, each location (classroom for example) would have an ad hoc network for the students and the teacher within the classroom -- while they are within that particular classroom... So, the teacher would control and delegate access to the AppleTVs within the room -- a blank sate, so to speak.


Now, students go from classroom to classroom throughout the day based upon their schedule. Each student's iPad could look for a specific connection to whatever AppleTVs are in the classroom that they're supposed to be in, at a given time of the day.


IBeacons could be used to detect proximity, and negotiate an AirPlay WiFi standby connection with the AppleTVs. Then, the instructor could enable individuals to go from standby to active AirPlay, as desired...


Not too difficult really... Considering we were doing something similar to this in 1980 on Apple ][ computers on a classroom network.


The new Library - Event/Clip paradigm in iMovie and FCP 10.1 is a graphic representation of an SQLite database -- that could manage AppleTV AirPlay access quite nicely!

Hmm, some good ideas in there. Seems like a custom app would be required to make it all work, though wouldn't it? Not that that is a deal-breaker. Including iBeacon for proximity detection is a nice touch.

A potential hang is that each ATV has to be configured individually (so far as I know). If there was some way to configure/image a bunch of ATVs at once, that would really help. 

The corporate meeting room scenario might be a bit thornier. In these environments, it is easy to provide a cable to anyone, even a guest, to connect a laptop to a projector (iPad cable adapters not as commonly available, but easy too). Requiring guests to connect to a corporate network to display on screen is not as straightforward and would likely bump into IT policy issues. Even ad hoc networks might not go over too well. 

There are commercial products designed for wireless connection to displays, but they are usually much more expensive, or limited (or both). A $99 ATV is a real bargain in this application.

Anyway, I appreciate the food for thought. I'm looking forward to seeing what direction this "room" use of AppleTV might take.

Good questions...

The latest AppleTVs can be configured by touching an iPhone to it, using BLTE... Could also be done, en masse, with a Mac In a central location -- pretty easy app to write...

Again, we installed. an Apple ][ network in the boardroom of Applied Materials circa 1983. it was a wired network with computers that were far less powerful than an AppleTV or an iPad.

As in the classroom, you can have an ad hoc network with the AppleTVs... In addition to a "closed" network.

There are several inexpensive "whiteboard" apps available for iPads AirPlaying to AppleTVs... All this without any "central support from Apple.
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Can Apple TV now show amazon prime movies?
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I use a logicTech BlueTooth Keyboard with my AppleTV and it works great!
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