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It’s Apple. You know, the company that got people to sell their songs for $0.99 and the company that destroyed Amazon’s eBook monopoly? That one.

Zero.

WOW. WHAT A TRAGEDY.

Songs were already $. 99, and being able to buy single songs existed for decades before Apple.

And yes people losing their livelihood is tragic.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
And yes people losing their livelihood is tragic.

 

Maybe they should stop making crap, then.

 

It’s not a tragedy when a company goes bankrupt for making terrible products or just things that no one wants, just as it isn’t in any other occupation.

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post #43 of 66
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And that is bad how? Lets face it if your product doesn't sell then you should be out of business. as for the watchers, why should they underwrite shows that nobody is interested in?

How would one know that people would want to watch it if nobody makes it? We'll end up with even more versions of CSI, Law & Order, etc...production companies will take the safe route and only produce what sells. Would Pawn Stars or Counting Cars exist in this new market?
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Maybe they should stop making crap, then.

It’s not a tragedy when a company goes bankrupt for making terrible products or just things that no one wants, just as it isn’t in any other occupation.

What constitutes crap? I've seen really good shows get cancelled, and lousy ones get renewed. Many a company that made good products have gone out of business. There's no simple formula for what ultimately sells well.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
What constitutes crap?

 

What people aren’t watching or care about, as was already delineated.

 
I've seen really good shows get cancelled, and lousy ones get renewed.

 

Same here. But channel surfing doesn’t save them.

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post #46 of 66
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How would one know that people would want to watch it if nobody makes it? We'll end up with even more versions of CSI, Law & Order, etc...production companies will take the safe route and only produce what sells. Would Pawn Stars or Counting Cars exist in this new market?

I'd go even further. Neither Breaking Bad nor Mad Men would have made it past a first season. You'd lose a lot of the critically acclaimed but low watched shows with the sort of model people were describing above 

post #47 of 66
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What people aren’t watching or care about, as was already delineated.

It doesn't mean it's crap. Multitudes of people go to McDonald's, but that doesn't make it good. Have you never had a favorite show cancelled or favorite restaurant close down?
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post #48 of 66
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I'd go even further. Neither Breaking Bad nor Mad Men would have made it past a first season. You'd lose a lot of the critically acclaimed but low watched shows with the sort of model people were describing above 

Somebody that understands, finally. Everyone has their favorite show that they only want to watch but how did they discover that show? I only started watching Breaking Bad after season 2 had aired and thanks to Netflix, and Amazon I was able to catch up before season 3 started.
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post #49 of 66
Everybody against this is a pencil-necked geek.
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Everybody against this is a pencil-necked geek.

It's been years since I've heard that, thanks for the laugh.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
It doesn't mean it's crap. Multitudes of people go to McDonald's, but that doesn't make it good. Have you never had a favorite show cancelled or favorite restaurant close down?

 

I wasn’t too happy when French Toast Crunch went off the market. Feel all right now, though. :p

 

Still don’t see how a market specifically designed for the Long Tail will make this an issue, though. If anything, Apple will be able to stop this from happening nearly entirely.

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I wasn’t too happy when French Toast Crunch went off the market. Feel all right now, though. 1tongue.gif

Lol, you do know that it is still made in Canada.
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post #53 of 66

I doubt you'd be able to buy individual shows, I'm sure it would be individual channels. Like you could buy a monthly pass to AMC and get all the shows that it brings. 

 

Maybe even packages (the disney package include Disney, Disney JR and ABC Family) or something of that nature. 

post #54 of 66

Too bad The Undertaker is all but retired. I wouldn't want to subscribe to this just to watch one match at Wrestlemania each year!

 

Then again, the on-demand service sounds good. I could stream the old matches from the eighties and nineties - the pre-Attitude era.

 

Of course, it may not even be launched in India, so it's back to Youtube then!

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nice idea really. We can kind of do that if we buy them, but it gets more expensive than cable fast. imo it would be much easier for Apple to just strike deals with existing nation wide cable companies. Problem is I dont think cable wants this.

I was not suggesting buying. That would be like the iTunes model. I was thinking more along the lines of a large pool of viewing credits. 

Example $100/year buys you 100 credits worth of programming. If you want to watch Downton Abbey then the entire series may cost you 10 credits. Then you would have access to all episodes past and present of that series whenever and wherever you want. No limits at all. You want to watch the same episode 20 times, that's fine. 

Let's say then that you also want to watch Walking Dead. No problem, another ten credits. Same as above, access whenever, wherever (TV, Mac, iPad, iPhone) as often as you want.

Here's another idea for older series. Reruns of Seinfeld or Star Trek may only cost 5 credits. 

This way you remove the old channel model where you subscribe to a post just to watch one show. 

Of course the cable providers and networks will resist this. The current model only serves them, not the average citizen. I would like nothing more than to give Videotron or Bell, the one finger salute.

post #56 of 66
Apple may have bigger ambitions with their programming options. The WSJ (yeah I know, AI readers don't believe them) reports they've been buying up a whole lotta bandwidth via agreements with assorted providers.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304851104579361201655365302?mod=rss_Technology&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304851104579361201655365302.html%3Fmod%3Drss_Technology
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post #57 of 66

Wow. That's pretty racist. If BET was added instead, would you have simply changed "redneck" to the N-Word and posted the same comment?

post #58 of 66
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Well, there goes the 'upscale' appeal of the Apple brand.

NASCAR next?
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post #59 of 66
Gonna love WWE channel. Now hurry and bring TWC to Apple TV. And please get TWC accessed to more Apple apps ASAP!!! Notably Longhorn Network.
post #60 of 66
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And that is bad how? Lets face it if your product doesn't sell then you should be out of business. as for the watchers, why should they underwrite shows that nobody is interested in?

With your logic Apple should have been out of business a long time ago. Just because something doesn't sell well means that it's crap.
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post #61 of 66

I think this is great - the fact is that many people watch WWE events, and they charge $60 a month for the pay per view shows on cable or satalite - this $10 package includes those PPV shows - if Apple wants to sell a shitload of these things, they could partner with WWE and get them to mention the ATV whenever they advertise or promote the new service, They would fly off of the shelves...

 

You apple snobs may look down from your ivory towers on pro wrestling fans and write them off, but they have jobs and make money too - they aren't all welfare bums or trailer trash or something - no sport could continue with the kind of profitability that WWE enjoys if the total fan base were all dirt poor! As an Apple share holder via my various IRAs and 401Ks, I would like to see them use this to help apple tv become a stronger source of revenue and grow the bottom line a bit more.

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post #62 of 66

Well, speaking as a former pro-wrestling performer (in-ring talent, referee and manager for 6 years in my late teens and early 20's back in the late 90's and early 2k's), I'm not buying in only because it's McMahon. It will be heavily edited and one-sided and quite frequently just wrong.  Just see how WWE treats people who don't play ball with them.

 

I'm happy to see more content, but it will lead me to want to hide the button on AppleTV.... 

post #63 of 66
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I pay a fixed yearly amount and I have access to all shows current and previous from the list above. Let's assume APPLE TV gives us packages like 

10 series a year => $20

30 series a year => $50

etc.

I watch the shows I want regardless of which studio they originated from.

That would be breaking the old TV model apart.

They may still very well do that, we're just not seeing it yet.

 

What about shows that don't fit the "series" model; one of documentaries, continuous running  soap opera or news programming?

What about watching a few episodes of a show before deciding it's not for you?

How are people even meant to know what shows are available if they don't have ads or channel surfing?  90 second previews?

 

Any kind of rigid structure that Apple tries to put in place is going to conflict with a lot of common viewing patterns, and not necessarily in a positive way. If Apple really intends on disrupting television in a big way (i.e. not as a nerdy alternative) then they need to get a grip on the complete user experience of watching television.  Genius recommendations, generous season previews, discount pricing for regular scheduling, and maybe even ad-supported programming as an option are all good starts.  

 

Channel and network based apps are alright for now, but if this is Apple's play for the long term then it's not going to make much of a dent.

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What about shows that don't fit the "series" model; one of documentaries, continuous running  soap opera or news programming?
What about watching a few episodes of a show before deciding it's not for you?
How are people even meant to know what shows are available if they don't have ads or channel surfing?  90 second previews?

Any kind of rigid structure that Apple tries to put in place is going to conflict with a lot of common viewing patterns, and not necessarily in a positive way. If Apple really intends on disrupting television in a big way (i.e. not as a nerdy alternative) then they need to get a grip on the complete user experience of watching television.  Genius recommendations, generous season previews, discount pricing for regular scheduling, and maybe even ad-supported programming as an option are all good starts.  

Channel and network based apps are alright for now, but if this is Apple's play for the long term then it's not going to make much of a dent.

Hi, have you met Apple? iTunes is their starting point. I'm sure they will adapt what works there for the Apple TV.
post #65 of 66

They are offering a conduit to acquire content to people who want to buy it. Nobody is going to force any of you to watch it. Enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, I won't laugh at you. Everybody likes different things and that is OK.

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Hi, have you met Apple? iTunes is their starting point. I'm sure they will adapt what works there for the Apple TV.

 

Hi.

 

Yes, obviously.  How they will adapt it is the question.  As it stands the iTunes pay per episode/season is very rigid and isn't making much of a noticeable dent in the TV establishment due to the high total cost.  And the alternative Channel/App strategy isn't a great deal better due to the lack of channels and (again) the high total cost.

 

Some kind of subscription, bundling, free-with-ads, or unknown other is an inevitability if you assume that Apple will eventually make a big play for the television market.

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