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I would love if he focussed on the only thing that Microsoft can do better than everybody else. It isn't services, it isn't devices: It's software.

Make Android and iOS better bey creating awesome software for it, I'm sure that some of the best minds in the field at redmond are dying to do it.

 

Currently Apple makes 2 better OSes than Microsoft, better services, better pro apps, a better mobile office suite, better browser, better web stores. Microsoft is as useful to me as a big pile of... rocks. I'm sure someone could build a great palace with those rocks.

 

Killer apps, if you are lucky enough to create any, are huge competitive advantages for a platform.

 

Hence Apple's investment in things like iLife and FCPX.

 

I dunno...on the consumer tablet side I'd have hit that Xbox integration and game library a lot lot harder.

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Currently Microsoft makes a better tablet OS than Apple.

 

What?  No.  Not even close.

 

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Currently Microsoft has better services, such as Azure. 

 

Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.

 

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They both have good pro apps. 

 

I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps.  Not much to speak of.

 

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Microsoft offers a better mobile Office Suite. IE11 is better than Safari.

 

Mmmm...this is a more close comparison.  You can probably convincingly argue either way.

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Oh please. I get it. You find posting silly things amusing to annoy Apple users. Visual Studio is a bloated, overpriced carcass suitable only for adherents of Microsoft-proprietary languages, and IDE-dependent developers stuck on Microsoft's dead technologies like dot net and Silverlight.

 

Visual Studio is by far the worst IDE...except for all the others.  It certainly is better than Eclipse and Netbeans.  IntelliJ annoys the crap out of me so I obviously think it's better than that as well.

 

Xcode I think is a taste thing.  It certainly is as limited as VS in terms of platform, languages and framework support.

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Gates and Ballmer are both major shareholders in MS so they will always be part of that company's DNA. It will be interesting to see if they move back to the old tactics of dumping to remove competitors and using monopolistic methods to build market share while sitting on standards setting committees then basing their own proprietary solutions on them after pulling out.
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Gates and Ballmer are both major shareholders in MS so they will always be part of that company's DNA. It will be interesting to see if they move back to the old tactics of dumping to remove competitors and using monopolistic methods to build market share while sitting on standards setting committees then basing their own proprietary solutions on them after pulling out.

I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.
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post #46 of 94
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Interesting that Ballmer gets to be on the Board...

 

He owns around $11BN of MSFT stock, and is certainly not a passive investor, so I would imagine that it would be hard to keep him off the board even if MSFT wanted to...

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Originally Posted by WP7Mango View Post
 

 

Currently Microsoft makes a better tablet OS than Apple.

Yes, and for that reason people bought so much, that Microsoft had to buy back the unsold inventory.

 

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Currently Microsoft has better services, such as Azure.

 

And I thought that those people at Amazon EC2 were just a bunch of racoons.

 

They both have good pro apps.

 

Both? Who's the other one? Anyhow, sticking with Microsoft Pro apps for a moment -- really? These apps are 'good' because they are bloated and crash all the time?

 

Microsoft offers a better mobile Office Suite.

 

Correction - Popular, not better. Micorosft Office is the only productivity suite I've seen that's so much bloated, and full of bugs and inconsistencies. It lags all the time and oh my God just have a look at Office 2013. Microsoft for some reason thinks that obtrusive animations and Metro UI is good for office productivity because it takes more time to do the same thing and it is more heavier on system resources so older PCs cannot run it. BRAVO.

 

IE11 is better than Safari.

By what measure do you arrive at this? I think this one is just out of spite and doesn't make any sense at all. Have you ever used Safari? It's faster than Chrome my delirious man.  It supports extensions. It supports multi-threaded rendering. It supports better standards than any IE. It has stuff like offline reading list. It has a much much much much much much better and beautiful UI as compared to the dull IE. The whole world has ditched IE because it's so numb, old and feature-stripped. But somehow, it's better than Safari? Ok.

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If hiring internally means no great change of direction, that's good news for Apple. Microsoft has had no answer to the iPhone and iPad, and even the Mac has outgrown Windows marketshare for 30 of the last 31 quarters (by a tiny bit each time). More of the same? Great.

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What?  No.  Not even close.

 

 

Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.

 

 

I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps.  Not much to speak of.

 

 

Mmmm...this is a more close comparison.  You can probably convincingly argue either way.

 

Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -

 

1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.

2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.

3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.

4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.

5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.

6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.

7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.

8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.

9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.

 

I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.

 

Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.

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Jeez, this reminds me of the Monty Python Argument Clinic. "This isn't an argument, it's just contradiction!"

Would you care to explain exactly how he is wrong?

I don't need to. His delirious post was rebutted enough already.

Now I see i need to amend my sig...

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What?  No.  Not even close.


Given that Apple has no Azure equivalent it is automatically true that MS has better enterprise service platforms.


I would say that MS has as much presence in pro apps as Apple has in enterprise apps.  Not much to speak of.


Mmmm...this is a more close comparison.  You can probably convincingly argue either way.

Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -

1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.
2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.
3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.
4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.
5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.
6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.
7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.
8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.
9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.

I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.

Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.
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I don't need to. His delirious post was rebutted enough already.

Now I see i need to amend my sig...

 

@RogueDogRandy,

 

There is no need to send me abusive private messages. To quote your message...

 

'' ~~you have been owned on this forum, dumb ass. You really should stop being such a dumb mother f***er ''

 

Grow up dude!

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Visual Studio is by far the worst IDE...except for all the others.  It certainly is better than Eclipse and Netbeans.  IntelliJ annoys the crap out of me so I obviously think it's better than that as well.

 

Xcode I think is a taste thing.  It certainly is as limited as VS in terms of platform, languages and framework support.

 

Visual Studio supports lots of languages - VB, C#, C++, F#, Python, Ruby, APL, etc etc. Basically, it can be extended to work with any language.

post #54 of 94
He said MS "revolutionized" things. Really? More like ballzed things up. MS staff are blinded by themselves in their virtual unreality.
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That was an "easy" thing to do, Apple was being run by incompetent fools during MS rising, and even when Steve was there, he was a maniac.

 

Now, with guys like Cook, Ive, Phil, Craig and others, +160 billion in the bank, +13B$ net profit each christmas quarter, not to mention the powerful ecosystem. I would love to see them try it, again.

 

Yes, good thing that bozo Jobs is no longer at Apple...

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I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.

 

Well, to be fair, Apple did write a sloppy SLA/EULA that gave Microsoft unlimited use of Apple's technology. Google just ripped Apple off. Why Apple are suing Samsung and not Google though is not clear to me.

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@RogueDogRandy,

 

There is no need to send me abusive private messages. To quote your message...

 

'' ~~you have been owned on this forum, dumb ass. You really should stop being such a dumb mother f***er ''

 

Grow up dude!

 

I would say, abusive private messages are reason for immediate banning.

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I can't help wondering why Gates and Ballmer didn't rip off iOS like Google did. It's as if the guilt of ripping of Mac OS finally got to them and they hesitated too long assuming they even considered it.

 

Have you actually used windows? Other than the fact that both Windows and Mac OS use, umm, windows and a recycle bin, the look and feel is completely different, and the usage modes are quite different as well. Given that Mac was not the first, second, or third computer to use a window system, I am not sure what you are on about.

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Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -

 

1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.

2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.

3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.

4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.

5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.

6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.

7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.

8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.

9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.

 

I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.

 

Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.

 

Windows RT has many fine features, but its problem is that it is a bastardized version of Windows. If you want all those fine features, just get a Windows box (which does not even cost more).  Why does RT even exist?

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Windows RT has many fine features, but its problem is that it is a bastardized version of Windows. If you want all those fine features, just get a Windows box (which does not even cost more).  Why does RT even exist?

 

Yeah, I kind of agree with you.

 

Once Office is available as a pure Metro suite of apps, then Windows RT can drop the desktop. Either that, or allow developers to create ARM desktop applications for it. At the moment it's neither here nor there.

 

One reason why RT exists is so that you can have a full native Windows desktop environment on ARM. But currently, only Microsoft's own desktop applications run on it, which limits its usefulness somewhat! If MS opened up Windows RT for desktop development, then it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense. But until then, they should simply drop the desktop from Windows RT.

 

The next question is why does Microsoft even need an ARM based OS when the new Intel chips are now good mobile alternatives? Well, it's possible that Microsoft couldn't afford to wait for Intel to deliver mobile chips. It's possible that Microsoft had Windows RT in development long before the Intel BayTrail chips were on the roadmap. Having a desktop operating system on ARM means that Microsoft is not as reliant on Intel going into the future.

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Yeah, I kind of agree with you.

 

Once Office is available as a pure Metro suite of apps, then Windows RT can drop the desktop. Either that, or allow developers to create ARM desktop applications for it. At the moment it's neither here nor there.

 

One reason why RT exists is so that you can have a full native Windows desktop environment on ARM. But currently, only Microsoft desktop applications run on it, which limits its usefulness somewhat! If MS opened up Windows RT for desktop development, then it suddenly starts to make a lot of sense. But until then, they should simply drop the desktop from Windows RT.

 

The next question is why does Microsoft even need an ARM based OS when the new Intel chips are now good mobile alternatives? Well, it's possible that Microsoft couldn't afford to wait for Intel to deliver mobile chips. It's possible that Microsoft had Windows RT in development long before the Intel BayTrail chips were on the roadmap. Having a desktop operating system on ARM means that Microsoft is not as reliant on Intel going into the future.

 

I think Apple very consciously made iOS for consuming content, not so much creating it (obviously, it's possible, but you should really have a computer), part of the reason being that it is quite hard to design productivity applications (e.g., Office) to work on a tablet, for a myriad reasons (small screen, non-existent keyboard, etc). I am not sure why MSFT did not take heed (well, it is tempting to leverage their dominance in office application, but it just does not work -- I remember trying to run Excel on a Sony Duo with its 11" screen, and trying to type into those teeny cells -- not fun).  Otherwise, my view (but what do I know...) is that either MSFT should have done a full port of windows to ARM (perhaps via some emulation scheme -- God knows they have the best compiler people at MS Research), or nothing. 

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I think Apple very consciously made iOS for consuming content, not so much creating it (obviously, it's possible, but you should really have a computer), part of the reason being that it is quite hard to design productivity applications (e.g., Office) to work on a tablet, for a myriad reasons (small screen, non-existent keyboard, etc). I am not sure why MSFT did not take heed (well, it is tempting to leverage their dominance in office application, but it just does not work -- I remember trying to run Excel on a Sony Duo with its 11" screen, and trying to type into those teeny cells -- not fun).  Otherwise, my view (but what do I know...) is that either MSFT should have done a full port of windows to ARM (perhaps via some emulation scheme -- God knows they have the best compiler people at MS Research), or nothing. 

 

I think the reason why Microsoft went down this route is for the very reason you mention - a tablet is mainly used for consumption, but that's a form factor issue. That's why they created the Surface. If the Surface was available with a 13" screen, it would be an excellent productivity device. But a tablet can also be docked and used with an external monitor, mouse and keyboard, which is again where Surface RT makes a tablet much more productive when you want it to be.

 

I agree, Apple deliberately made iOS and iPad primarily a consumer device, whereas Microsoft deliberately designed Windows RT to support productivity devices. I often see business people struggling to turn their iPads into something it was never designed to be. Those are the kinds of people for whom the Surface / Windows RT type of device was designed for.

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Gates and Ballmer are both major shareholders in MS so they will always be part of that company's DNA. It will be interesting to see if they move back to the old tactics of dumping to remove competitors and using monopolistic methods to build market share while sitting on standards setting committees then basing their own proprietary solutions on them after pulling out.

Embrace extend extinguish.

They will always have an interest in the success of Microsoft, so they'll sit on the board or "help where they can", but there is a chance that they really are "all in" for change. I have always believed that boards hire executives to lead and make decisions for the company, and not just say "yes" to whatever the chairman wants.

Otherwise, why force Ballmer into retirement?

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I think the reason why Microsoft went down this route is for the very reason you mention - a tablet is mainly used for consumption, but that's a form factor issue. That's why they created the Surface. If the Surface was available with a 13" screen, it would be an excellent productivity device. But a tablet can also be docked and used with an external monitor, mouse and keyboard, which is again where Surface RT makes a tablet much more productive when you want it to be.

I agree, Apple deliberately made iOS and iPad primarily a consumer device, whereas Microsoft deliberately designed Windows RT to support productivity devices. I often see business people struggling to turn their iPads into something it was never designed to be. Those are the kinds of people for whom the Surface / Windows RT type of device was made for.

The Surface is a Frankenstein's monster of poorly conceived design. An unholy mix of tablet and laptop with the worst implementations of both form factors.

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The Surface is a Frankenstein's monster of poorly conceived design. An unholy mix of tablet and laptop with the worst implementations of both form factors.


Why? Can you be a little more specific and give examples? Conceptually, I don't see how it's any different to someone buying a physical "keyboard + case" accessory for an iPad.

 

What exactly makes the Surface 2 (ARM version) the worst implementation of a tablet form factor, in your opinion?

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I agree, Apple deliberately made iOS and iPad primarily a consumer device, whereas Microsoft deliberately designed Windows RT to support productivity devices. I often see business people struggling to turn their iPads into something it was never designed to be. Those are the kinds of people for whom the Surface / Windows RT type of device was made for.

That's a fiction you tell yourself. Reality is that people are using the iPad in enterprise and small businesses, in a wide variety of ways. You ignorance of this, and your fantasies about Windows 8 RT, which independent hardware manufacturers have wisely avoided because look how many unsold Surface RTs there were, says that you are describing your idealized worldview.

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That's a fiction you tell yourself. Reality is that people are using the iPad in enterprise and small businesses, in a wide variety of ways. You ignorance of this, and your fantasies about Windows 8 RT, which independent hardware manufacturers have wisely avoided because look how many unsold Surface RTs there were, says that you are describing your idealized worldview.

 

On the contrary, I never said anything of the sort. I know full well people use them in enterprise - my company included, and I write software for them too.

 

The point I was making, which you missed, is that many business users are trying to make the iPad into something it's not. It can't show you more than one app on screen at a time. It was never designed to be used as a laptop. It was not designed to be used as a desktop. etc etc. But some people insist on trying (and failing) to make it work like a full productivity device.

 

And I'm not just talking about RT. I'm talking about Windows 8 x86 version which has obvious benefits over RT.

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Why? Can you be a little more specific and give examples? Conceptually, I don't see how it's any different to someone buying a physical "keyboard + case" accessory for an iPad.

What exactly makes the Surface 2 (ARM version) the worst implementation of a tablet form factor, in your opinion?

Look at their sales figures and ask yourself... Why is this not selling? What is wrong with this? Why do people prefer tablets and laptops over a combined device?

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Look at their sales figures and ask yourself... Why is this not selling? What is wrong with this? Why do people prefer tablets and laptops over a combined device?

 

You didn't answer my question. You said -

 

''The Surface is a Frankenstein's monster of poorly conceived design. An unholy mix of tablet and laptop with the worst implementations of both form factors.''

 

but you can't explain how.

 

All kinds of things affect sales, including price and availability.

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The Surface is a Frankenstein's monster of poorly conceived design. An unholy mix of tablet and laptop with the worst implementations of both form factors.

 

Have you actually used it? 

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Look at their sales figures and ask yourself... Why is this not selling? What is wrong with this? Why do people prefer tablets and laptops over a combined device?

 

Part of the reason it is not selling is what was already mentioned by me (and WP7Mango): windows RT is just like windows, except it's not windows. The Surface Pro 2, I have no idea how well it is selling, but it is in a pretty crowded market (Lenovo alone has a bunch of convertible devices), and MSFT can't be too aggressive vs its own OEMs. The point is, there are many reason why something does not sell well, only one of which is poor design, so what you say makes no sense.

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Wow look at all the positive windows posts... They must really be making better products now. 1smile.gif oh wait, it's just two guys posting back and forth. Hey you two, get a room!
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Currently Microsoft makes a better tablet OS than Apple. Currently Microsoft has better services, such as Azure. They both have good pro apps. Microsoft offers a better mobile Office Suite. IE11 is better than Safari.

Currently, Microsoft is a hot cross bun.
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Have you actually used windows? Other than the fact that both Windows and Mac OS use, umm, windows and a recycle bin, the look and feel is completely different, and the usage modes are quite different as well. Given that Mac was not the first, second, or third computer to use a window system, I am not sure what you are on about.

I suspect you are not 40-something or older.  Those of us who lived through the DOS -> Mac OS -> Windows history in the late 80s/early 90s scoff at your summary from a 21st century perspective.  There were no other exemplars to steal from when Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 were in full blown copy-Apple mode.  (Ok maybe they also stole a thing of two from the Amiga, but I wouldn't know.)

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I suspect you are not 40-something or older.  Those of us who lived through the DOS -> Mac OS -> Windows history in the late 80s/early 90s scoff at your summary from a 21st century perspective.  There were no other exemplars to steal from when Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 were in full blown copy-Apple mode.  (Ok maybe they also stole a thing of two from the Amiga, but I wouldn't know.)

 

Actually, the windows (certainly Windows 3.1)look  is much closer to the Amiga than it is to the Mac.

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Originally Posted by WP7Mango View Post

Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -

 

Not a single one of your points can be considered better an any conceivable fashion.

 

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I think you should get your own room where you can pleasure yourself in peace and not annoy people.

 

Or you could shut up and attempt to prove him wrong. Seeing as you didn’t…

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This post is nothing but insults. Moderators: are you EVER going to ban this troll?

Wow, windows people spend all day on forums, stressing themselves / others out. Definitely a different breed. You guys should get outside, there's a whole world out there!
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Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -

 

1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.

2. Windows 8/RT supports multi-user accounts.

3. Windows 8/RT has a better on-screen keyboard than the iPad. It can display a full size standard keyboard layout, with numbers at the top and even function keys, so you can use it just like a physical keyboard and not mess around with switching between letter and numbers. Also, when you press Caps or Shift, the letters on the keyboard change case rather than just lighting up the Shift key.

4. Windows 8/RT has much better support for external storage, such as USB 3.0 sticks, external hard drives, etc.

5. Windows 8RT gives you access to the full file system with a file manager.

6. Windows 8/RT supports a mouse too. If you connect the tablet to an external monitor (by cable or wirelessly) then you can use the tablet as a desktop base unit.

7. Windows 8/RT has full multi-monitor support, similar to a Mac.

8. Windows 8/RT has a much better framework for apps to share data with each other and to be able to do global native searches for content stored within apps.

9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.

 

I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.

 

Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.

 

I'll give some damn good reasons for why iOS is better than any other OS that claims to be (yet another wannabe) "iOS killer":

1. Quantity of apps (doesn't matter that much)

2. Quality of apps (does matter a lot)

3. Stability and general reliability of the OS

4. UI

5. Focused (all Microsoft products don't know what they are - laptop? desktop? tablet? hybrid? hybrid with mouse? partially hybrid? car? fork?)

6. Simple

7. Fast

 

You said that you could "go on", so please do. Because what I found in your reasons was desperation and insecurity. How can you think that having mouse connectivity is more important than having apps? Better yet, how can you say that based on these puny features you could call the Windows 8/RT an iOS killer which set the benchmark and the very definition of a 'modern tablet'?

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I'll give some damn good reasons for why iOS is better than any other OS that claims to be (yet another wannabe) "iOS killer":

1. Quantity of apps (doesn't matter that much)

2. Quality of apps (does matter a lot)

3. Stability and general reliability of the OS

4. UI

5. Focused (all Microsoft products don't know what they are - laptop? desktop? tablet? hybrid? hybrid with mouse? partially hybrid? car? fork?)

6. Simple

7. Fast

 

You said that you could "go on", so please do. Because what I found in your reasons was desperation and insecurity. How can you think that having mouse connectivity is more important than having apps? Better yet, how can you say that based on these puny features you could call the Windows 8/RT an iOS killer which set the benchmark and the very definition of a 'modern tablet'?

 

A benchmark is just that - something which can be compared and improved on, which is what Windows RT / 8 does.

 

Where did I say that mouse support is better than having apps? I'm simply saying that for users who want to use their tablet as a docked desktop (especially when connected to a big external monitor), they would be better off with mouse support.

 

1. Yes, iOS has far more apps than Windows RT. I never said it didn't. That said, Windows 8 has far more software available for it than iOS.

2. Yep, I would agree - but it's been around longer as a "touch" platform, so that is to be expected.

3. I disagree - Windows RT is at least equally stable compared to iOS.

4. The basics in terms of the UI are the same. But the UI in Windows RT is more flexible, as I already explained.

5. Focused - yes, I agree. But that focus is precisely why some people will struggle trying to turn it into something it's not. The iPad is a very fine tablet, so stick to using it as a tablet. Why even bother buying Bluetooth keyboards for it?

6. Yes, iOS is simple, but it's also restrictive as a result. But Windows RT is also simple if you use it like an iPad, but it allows you to do a lot more if you go beyond the basics.

7. Fast - yes, but so is Windows RT and 8 on the latest hardware. I would not call the earlier iPads fast.

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Examples of how Windows 8 RT is better than iOS -

 

1. Windows 8/RT can display 2 or 3 apps side by side. iOS only displays 1 app at a time.

...

9. Windows 8/RT is much more customisable with it's live tiles.

 

I could go on, but it clearly demonstrates the superior capability of Windows 8 and Windows RT compared with iOS.

 

No, you demonstrated that Win/RT has a bunch of features that have been shown to me kind of "Meh" from a tablet OS perspective from both reviews and sales.   Some are just not as relevant for a tablet OS and others are simply implemented so-so.

 

Of that list the multi-user accounts is the only one that strikes me as something that I would really like to have on iOS.

 

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Pro apps - there are plenty available for both platforms. Most companies which do pro apps support both platforms equally.

 

No.  That's not the assertion.  The assertion is that MS has good pro apps just like Apple.  Not the platform but the company.  As near as I can tell they don't.  Not like FCPX, Logic Pro X or Aperture.  So what "pro apps" are you thinking of because enterprise and office apps are explicitly covered already as their own categories.

 

Just like Apple doesn't sell any service platforms like Azure I don't believe that MS sell any "Pro" apps.

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