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Rumor: Apple's 'iWatch' to use new 'stepped' battery technology from LG

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Apple will turn to an LG-devised layered lithium ion battery design manufactured by Samsung SDI, LG Chem and Tianjin Lishen Battery for the powerpack in its so-called iWatch, a questionable report out of Korea suggests.

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iWatch concept by Todd Hamilton


"Apple will utilize LG Chem's stepped battery since it offers better longevity than others and can be applied for different shapes," a source told the Korea Herald. LG's stepped design is said to hold up to 16 percent more energy than similarly-sized conventional lithium ion batteries.

In addition to their enhanced energy density, the stepped batteries can be formed into shapes --?like curves --?that would suit a wrist-worn device.

The report should be taken with a grain of salt, however. The Herald intimates that Apple was also considering powering the device entirely with solar power --?other rumors have suggested Apple may be considering solar charging, but none have speculated that the company may eschew batteries entirely.

The paper also cites anonymous sources that say "there would be no point" for the iWatch to use a curved display that would ultimately be less than two inches diagonally.
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I'm coming to hate that render, because it looks so feasible, yet common sense tells me that Apple won't be able to make anything that cool looking that is also usable, has reasonable battery life, and isn't as delicate as a snowflake.

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If they make it foldable could they use a series of tiny batteries vs a odd shaped.
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Yes, why use a curved screen if it's so small? Flat reduces price.

And the report that should be taken with a grain of salt is the one on solar power...that won't happen.
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...a questionable report out of Korea suggests.
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The report should be taken with a grain of salt, however. ...

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The paper also cites anonymous sources that say ...

 

Key takeaways from the article.

 

Let me structure it better...

 

"A questionable report out of Korea suggests the report should be taken with a grain of salt, however the paper also cites anonymous sources."

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I'm coming to hate that render, because it looks so feasible, yet common sense tells me that Apple won't be able to make anything that cool looking that is also usable, has reasonable battery life, and isn't as delicate as a snowflake.

The one problem I have with it is the perfect, rigid, circle: because I'd like a vertically scrollable touch-screen and for that to work the bracelet had better offer resistance to rolling around the wrist and that shape doesn't offer that to my mind..

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This design would only appeal to the tech crowd. Apple will not design something like this. Why do you think they have hired all these fashion types over the last one to two years? They will design something that will have interchangeable bands. Fashion brands will come out with their own watch bands to compliment the iWatch face. Apple will not come up with a niche product that only the techies like. It will have to have mass appeal so it will have to easily mesh and fit with people's lifestyles and fashion choices.
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I'm coming to hate that render, because it looks so feasible, yet common sense tells me that Apple won't be able to make anything that cool looking that is also usable, has reasonable battery life, and isn't as delicate as a snowflake.

 

If the released product looks anything like these renderings, I'd be surprised [and would never buy one.]

I pray Apple has better taste than you . . .  think they have.

 

Seriously the design concept looks appropriate for children.

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Yes, why use a curved screen if it's so small? Flat reduces price.

And the report that should be taken with a grain of salt is the one on solar power...that won't happen.

When you think of people of different sizes, a curved display is necessary for anything greater than 1-1.25 inches. Otherwise it starts to look very bulky, like rolling a CD along a soda can. Even the 6th gen iPod Nano was only 1.5 inches across and is arguably too bulky for a mass audience (although thickness and bezels certainly play a part)
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I love the concept photo. Whether Apple actually will release an iWatch anytime soon if at all remains to be seen but if it looks like the concept I would be intrigued. For me personally I  would be most interested if it were able to check blood pressure and heart rate, show notifications from your iPhone or iPad, and include Siri capability. For Siri it would have to be able to work through the phone basically as a bluetooth headset but could also show data on the display as well.  For example if you ask for a weather forecast or today's sports scores you could see that on the display. If you could charge the battery at night not by plugging it in with a wire which would be hard to do due to the small size, but instead use inductive charging or some very simple dock to just plop it in I think that would be far more convenient. 

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You might want to take a look @ that sapphire screen protector video that's floating around. Shows a phone with it on scraping the cement off the front of a cement block. Not even a scratch on the screen protector. I'm sure if the watch went with that design it would have something on the back to make it hard for it to spin around. It would be hard for it to fit all different sized wrists though. Might have to be wider bracelet design with an opening and some flexibility to clamp it around your wrist. Not sure if a traditional watch design would be big enough to display useful information that's why the bracelet design is so compelling. The video shows a pretty slick interface. Hopefully we will know what apple will do soon
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I'm coming to hate that render, because it looks so feasible, yet common sense tells me that Apple won't be able to make anything that cool looking that is also usable, has reasonable battery life, and isn't as delicate as a snowflake.

Yep that is an awesome design. I don;t know how feasible or ergonomic it would be, but damn it looks hot!

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If the released product looks anything like these renderings, I'd be surprised [and would never buy one.]
I pray Apple has better taste than you . . .  think they have.

Seriously the design concept looks appropriate for children.
Bite me.

I didn't say the render represent my ideal product, just that the hardware and software illustrated give the appearance of feasibility, when I suspect neither are, so the render is raising expectations.

Apples eventual product in all probability will be better in many ways than this illustration, more usable, better thought through functionality, but I strongly doubt it will be as slick, or uniform, the screen as advanced, or as high resolution, bright and curved.

That's the point. No need to insult my taste over it.

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If the released product looks anything like these renderings, I'd be surprised [and would never buy one.]
I pray Apple has better taste than you . . .  think they have.

Seriously the design concept looks appropriate for children.

Really? I think this concept looks amazing. It actually reminds me that even if you think that you don't need something, if it looks great, you'll want it. And I'm sure Apple will play on that too.
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Even if the solar rumour is true, it's scary that the writer thinks this means it won't have a battery, I assume their aware of how gadgets work, now maybe people wouldn't want to use this at night, in the shade, or on a cloudy day. What Apple is attempting to do is create a device that would ideally never need to come off for a charge, or at all (waterproof), with a combo of solar, kinetic, Bluetooth 4.0, and a low power screen it's still a stretch but if anyone can pull it off....
Prediction: need to charge every 2-4 weeks at low use
Solider prediction: iPhone 5c 8gb model (no rear camera?, maybe just for China, India markets)
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a watch cannot have a rigid "bracelet" type device , as orientation is important, unlike a bracelet.
So it has to fit to many wrist sizes and shapes, so adjustable strap is essential.
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Bite me.

I didn't say the render represent my ideal product, just that the hardware and software illustrated give the appearance of feasibility, when I suspect neither are, so the render is raising expectations.

Apples eventual product in all probability will be better in many ways than this illustration, more usable, better thought through functionality, but I strongly doubt it will be as slick, or uniform, the screen as advanced, or as high resolution, bright and curved.

That's the point. No need to insult my taste over it.

 

Well, there's no accounting for taste!

Sorry, I should have put a ;-) on my post. Not because I'm joking, just because I didn't mean to offend ;-)

As a designer, I'm pretty picky on design concepts. The think I hate most about it is I can see it really is *not* a feasible design. As others have pointed out, it would be unusable. Even if the bangle like design were feasible, stylistically it would be rejected by most users. 

Apple, it they do an iWatch, will produce something far more practical, useful, and interesteing.

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Obviously any interrogation can point out a multitude of flaws; but the render is professional and very well done aesthetically, the UI has a veneer of plausibility, and most importantly of all it's being used on every news site and blog all the time as if it were a real product.

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post #19 of 28
I've never had one, but how does the nike fuelband design work? Would Apple use a similar design?
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Obviously any interrogation can point out a multitude of flaws; but the render is professional and very well done aesthetically, the UI has a veneer of plausibility, and most importantly of all it's being used on every news site and blog all the time as if it were a real product.

 

It's most likely a render done by an undergrad student. It's what is often referred to as "design porn" or "air design."

It's a visual concept produced by laying some rearranged iOS screen shots and a little illustrator work onto a simple shape that's well lit in an idealized setting, and then rendering it.

You see it as plausible because it looks photorealistic.

I'm unimpressed by "photorealism" and focus on design, so to me it looks inexplicit and unrealistic.


Edited by DESuserIGN - 2/5/14 at 5:13pm
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Is this the same battery technology they used in the 2012 and 2013 iWatch? O_o

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I'm coming to hate that render, because it looks so feasible, yet common sense tells me that Apple won't be able to make anything that cool looking that is also usable, has reasonable battery life, and isn't as delicate as a snowflake.

I think I understand why you (and many others) like the design but it's quite horrible for an actual product. It really belongs as a prop and CGI in a flashy sci-fi movie/TV show that only needs to maintain a visibly appealing veneer and not actually consider how something might actually be utilized.

This is essentially the problem I have with most of the people that create these mockups. They usually go for some cheap wow factor in aspect of the design that it isn't even remotely feasible while at the same time un-creatively keeping with some old standard that would be completely pointless with the product. You can look at mockups of a 5" iPhone, the original concepts of the iPhone based on whatever iPod was currently shipping, and slapping Mac OS X on the iTablet for a lack of inspiration.

This monstrosity appears to pair the Nike FuelBand with the way a band of the iOS GUI but then takes the already large Nike FuelBand bracelet and brings it much closer to being a perfect circle for reasons that escape me. Even if we could correct and get past any ergonomics and usability of the HW so that it does't constantly roll over your wrist as you try to slide your finger on it you still have what appears to be a very large, high-res non-eInk color display for the size of the device. Even with curved battery tech will it be enough? I don't think so. What about the curved logic board? Have they even tried this with other shipping devices before? I suppose it could a series of small segmented straight boards that are use ribbon connectors but this has its own issues, including maximizing space for the battery.

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I've never had one, but how does the nike fuelband design work? Would Apple use a similar design?

As you can see it's not a perfect circle. I'd say the height is about 60% that of its width, and that's still a bit much for how the average watch and fitness band fits on the wrist. The way its used is also vastly different than in this mockup. There is physical button on the top so you actually press down on it to interact. That is, press it down into wrist, you don't swipe your finger on it like with iOS and you have a raised button you can feel so you don't need to be looking at it to do basic tasks.



Edited by SolipsismX - 2/5/14 at 6:01pm

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post #23 of 28

I personally wouldn't have any relationship with a Korean company in any way, shape, or form!

 

Best.

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Not "a report out of the Far East" but "Korea". Nice going. Looks like someone just got a map.   :lol:

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Apple’s jumping to new energy, free-energy which never has to be renewed. Tesla would be pleased.

Sadly, Tim and company will then all have to be murdered, so be first to order and stand vulture-like by your mailbox.

Have wife watch back.

When I find time to rewrite the laws of Physics, there'll Finally be some changes made round here!

I am not crazy! Three out of five court appointed psychiatrists said so.

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post #26 of 28
I thought they were using the new baterry tech that draws energy from atmospheric static electricity?
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The iGalt?

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post #28 of 28
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This design would only appeal to the tech crowd. Apple will not design something like this. Why do you think they have hired all these fashion types over the last one to two years? They will design something that will have interchangeable bands. Fashion brands will come out with their own watch bands to compliment the iWatch face. Apple will not come up with a niche product that only the techies like. It will have to have mass appeal so it will have to easily mesh and fit with people's lifestyles and fashion choices.

Glad the article said RUMOR.

From a fashion viewpoint - elegant - not multiple gender friendly per the pic shown in the article.

From a tech viewpoint - non functional.

Mainstream will buy if functional.

I still have this "voice command to activate" thing in my head - then a hologram floating above to allow for a larger view space then a flat or curved surface can give.  The watch only needs enough space on the arm to function (charging/transmitt/receive, so interchangable wrist bands of varying designs could be possible.

Apple's products, to me, have always been elegantly designed & highly funtional.

Looking forward to the endgame.

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