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1. Do you actually drive?  Driverless cars will (do) exist.  That has NOTHING to do with whether or not (in this case, not) they will be allowed on public roads.  My point about F1 was that just because something can be created, and just because something can be bought, has nothing to do with whether or not you can drive it on a public road.

 

2. Factories have been mechanized for decades.  Some things, however, robots are not well-suited to.  And you do realize that your "maybe in America" statement makes absolutely no sense, right?  If they are all robots doing the work, who gives a damn?  That doesn't create jobs.

 

3. The iPhone is technological hardware.  You know, with a screen, a processor, memory, storage, etc.  The only difference between an iPhone and, say, a MacBook Pro is the iPhone is smaller and it makes phone calls by connecting to cellular network.  The iPhone was totally in Apple's wheelhouse, because it is tech hardware -- you know, the business that Apple's involved in?

 

Cars, otoh, are not in any way part of their business.  Ford was incorporated in 1903.  Why not leave automobiles to the people who have been making them for over a century?

 

I mean, should Apple start making refrigerators too?  What about golf clubs?  Maybe they should design lingerie and compete with VS?

forgot to answer this question

Why not leave automobiles to the people who have been making them for over a century? 

I could leave it unanswered as rhetorical but could not help myself answering

Cause in the most part they have been doing a shitty job that why.

Alternative answer.

Tell that to Elon Musk 

post #202 of 220
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Me too. Hence this post.
No. It is even unlikely that even the military, which really needs driverless cars will have them in 10 years.
It's nice that Google is funding the DARPA grand challenge winner but the innovation award belongs elsewhere. Like DARPA.
Something NeXT was doing in the 80s.

Apple is innovative when driving toward their goals and they are very focused on their objectives.

MS has done more UI and touch research than Apple. They employ some of the biggest guns in multitouch research at MS Research.

Which company was more innovative in multitouch? Apple or MS?

Same for many of Googles initiatives. Instead of just papers they want publicity but how many of them pan out?

My source on 90% driverless cars in 10 years is Elon Musk, I follow him closely and I strongly believe he must know more than you and I do on this.

 

About Multitouch. MS have their own research and apple did a pretty good job with their multitouch work. Apple as far as I can tell is not in cars nor robotics nor other cool stuff at all. And I think it should be in some of them.. not all, just some.

 

About Googles initiatives. Some pan out. And its OK with apple being more meticulous with their work and only releasing a product when its ready vs google witch releases products semi finished. But there are disadvantages to waiting as well. Some examples

 

google docs has been around for 3 years, apple just released its cloud solution and it still lacks vs googles. I can wait forever apple. I will eventually die

gmail vs apple cloud mail is another example.. apple might be slightly better but who cars? I have been using googles for ages and got ton of email there I am not gonna switch. Apple struggled to get this right and now a ton of people are on the gmail bandwagon and I dont see that changing anytime soon

 

example #2 on google

google + .. if you ask me its better than facebook, it has a more clean uncluttered feel to it. whats the problem then? One and its deadly, no one uses it. google was deadly late to the game.

post #203 of 220
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3. IMHO Apple has to venture into new arenas and markets, more importantly internet services and the cloud. A phone 30 years ago used to be a dumb big black box and now its a sophisticated computer. The car is bigger bumb box, tesla and google driverless shows us it should be a sophisticated computer thus its totally in Apples wheelhouse. It should be. I refuse to accept that the biggest company in the world with the best recourses in the world wont think this big or even bigger.

 

People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I’m actually as proud of the things we haven’t done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.

—Steve Jobs, Apple Worldwide Developers Conference, May 13–16, 1997

 

I would be surprised if Apple DNA did not still have this mindset.

post #204 of 220
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People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I’m actually as proud of the things we haven’t done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.

—Steve Jobs, Apple Worldwide Developers Conference, May 13–16, 1997

 

I would be surprised if Apple DNA did not still have this mindset.

 

I did not say make everything. I said make some things. For apple to grow from the gigantic proportions it has reached it has to venture and revolutionalize some other markets. Id love to see the coolest company in the world make tesla-like cars for instance. so basically Im saying say yes to 1 new thing every maybe few years, thats all im saying... by all means dont be samsung,

post #205 of 220
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People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I’m actually as proud of the things we haven’t done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.

—Steve Jobs, Apple Worldwide Developers Conference, May 13–16, 1997

 

I would be surprised if Apple DNA did not still have this mindset.

I dont see you commenting on the other points in my post.

I am an apple fan but I like to give credit where its due and because I love apple I feel I should criticise it and expect much from it.

 

For the life of me I cannot understand how it screwed up in icould verion of spreadsheet and the other apps. was it not in its DNA? wtf?

What took apple so many years to get going and still lag google on its proposition is beyond me. same for email

post #206 of 220
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I refuse to accept that the biggest company in the world with the best recourses in the world wont think this big or even bigger.

 

I suspect Apple does NOT have the best resources in the world, at least human.

 

It doesn't sound like a particularly fun place to work, heavily restricted and run by bitchy executives, and lacking the amenities and recreational perks of a Pixar or Google. Then there's that report cited here a few months ago indicating that Apple engineers are not paid very well compared to their equivalents at other companies in the area. Such conditions may lead to the "best" people taking a pass on Apple and accepting work elsewhere.

 

Honestly, the state of Apple's software development makes me think that's the case.

post #207 of 220
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I did not say make everything. I said make some things. For apple to grow from the gigantic proportions it has reached it has to venture and revolutionalize some other markets. Id love to see the coolest company in the world make tesla-like cars for instance. so basically Im saying say yes to 1 new thing every maybe few years, thats all im saying... by all means dont be samsung,

 

The software and services that Apple creates is primarily driven to sell hardware.

 

It strikes me as an amusing proposition to make cars in order to sell iPhones and Macs.

post #208 of 220
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The software and services that Apple creates is primarily driven to sell hardware.

 

It strikes me as an amusing proposition to make cars in order to sell iPhones and Macs.

your point is off.... cars is hardware. make cars to sell cars, software included for free, as always.

post #209 of 220
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I dont see you commenting on the other points in my post.

 

When I don't comment on something it typically means I don't have anything new to say about it.

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I am an apple fan but I like to give credit where its due and because I love apple I feel I should criticise it and expect much from it.

 

For the life of me I cannot understand how it screwed up in icould verion of spreadsheet and the other apps. was it not in its DNA? wtf?

What took apple so many years to get going and still lag google on its proposition is beyond me. same for email

 

Have you noticed that iWork and iLife are now free?  Have you noticed that FCPX is a mere $300?  iCloud is also free.  What is in Apple's DNA is that profit comes from selling really good hardware supported by a rich and unique, but low cost, ecosystem.  

 

And screwing up cloud services is evidently very much part of Apple's DNA.  I have a .mac email address.

 

Besides, from my perspective Apple didn't screw up iWorks in the cloud, especially since they have the beta label slapped on it which is something Apple rarely does and Google does all the time.

post #210 of 220
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When I don't comment on something it typically means I don't have anything new to say about it.

 

Have you noticed that iWork and iLife are now free?  Have you noticed that FCPX is a mere $300?  iCloud is also free.  What is in Apple's DNA is that profit comes from selling really good hardware supported by a rich and unique, but low cost, ecosystem.  

 

And screwing up cloud services is evidently very much part of Apple's DNA.  I have a .mac email address.

 

Besides, from my perspective Apple didn't screw up iWorks in the cloud, especially since they have the beta label slapped on it which is something Apple rarely does and Google does all the time.

google docs is free and its been out for 3 years, dont know maybe more? so is gmail ... and please dont say add supported cause i dont give a rats ass, it works and has been working for years now period.

 

my point exactly, by the time the get it out to market (about iworks being in beta) ill be needing it to record my pension slips (im in my 40s now)

post #211 of 220
Originally Posted by nht View Post

People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I’m actually as proud of the things we haven’t done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things.

—Steve Jobs, Apple Worldwide Developers Conference, May 13–16, 1997

 

One of the first things he said when he returned to Apple is one of the first things Apple reaffirmed after he was gone for good.

 

Anyone who thinks the company isn’t sound has invalidated their position.

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post #212 of 220
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1. yes buddy I drive, you seem to be have very strong views of some things and I have learned in my life to be very weary of people who use the words Never and Always too often. I say we will (certainly the 90% autonomous car) in our life time, you say we will not, ever. OK lets see what happens..

 

2. Factories have been mechanized for decades. I can agree with that statement yes. Google has been on a robot company buying spree and I am fairly confident this aint for seach related activities. They have stated its for revolutionalizing factories and I have no reason not to believe them. Logic states that they put all the resources to make the process faster, cheaper, better and replace the existing mechanization of factories

 

3. IMHO Apple has to venture into new arenas and markets, more importantly internet services and the cloud. A phone 30 years ago used to be a dumb big black box and now its a sophisticated computer. The car is bigger bumb box, tesla and google driverless shows us it should be a sophisticated computer thus its totally in Apples wheelhouse. It should be. I refuse to accept that the biggest company in the world with the best recourses in the world wont think this big or even bigger.

 

1. Well, maybe your lifetime will be longer than mine.  I'm 44, drink a lot, and I smoke.  So my days are already limited. :)

 

2. "... and I have no reason not to believe them."  Oh, when it comes to Google, I have all sorts of reasons not believe whatever it is they are saying this week.  When it comes to Google, ask yourself, "Does this help them sell more ads?"  If the answer is yes, then it will be something they seriously pursue.  If the answer is no, then it will be some rather pointless niche for them to go after, but never really make much of.

 

3. Again, though, this isn't their business.  Apple's business is hardware.  Google's business is advertising.  Microsoft's business is, with a couple minor exceptions, software.  Etc.  Expanding into areas where one has zero experience is not a good business move.  And you keep talking about how Apple needs to expand into different markets.  Why?  Are people going to stop needing hardware?  Are people going to stop making phone calls?  

post #213 of 220
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1. Well, maybe your lifetime will be longer than mine.  I'm 44, drink a lot, and I smoke.  So my days are already limited. 1smile.gif

2. "... and I have no reason not to believe them."  Oh, when it comes to Google, I have all sorts of reasons not believe whatever it is they are saying this week.  When it comes to Google, ask yourself, "Does this help them sell more ads?"  If the answer is yes, then it will be something they seriously pursue.  If the answer is no, then it will be some rather pointless niche for them to go after, but never really make much of.

3. Again, though, this isn't their business.  Apple's business is hardware.  Google's business is advertising.  Microsoft's business is, with a couple minor exceptions, software.  Etc.  Expanding into areas where one has zero experience is not a good business move.  And you keep talking about how Apple needs to expand into different markets.  Why?  Are people going to stop needing hardware?  Are people going to stop making phone calls?  

Check out the new article on apple and tesla. Looks like apple and I have different views from the ones you expressed. Oh well.
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The many names and faces of TekStud... You'd think someone would've figured out a way to perma-block this troll's IP address by now.


We do. What, you think you can’t change your IP address?

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post #216 of 220
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Check out the new article on apple and tesla. Looks like apple and I have different views from the ones you expressed. Oh well.

 

While you could turn out to be right, it's just as likely that this will have little to do with actual automobiles, and far more to do with things like batteries and Musk himself.

post #217 of 220
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While you could turn out to be right, it's just as likely that this will have little to do with actual automobiles, and far more to do with things like batteries and Musk himself.
think different. Disruption in mobile phones happened. One of the next big things is cars. And if you thought mobile phones is huge wait till you see this unfold. I wish apple was a bigger part of it. At least I would like to think they tried.
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We do. What, you think you can’t change your IP address?

Perhaps someone will figure out how to quarantine any signals going in or out of his home. 1wink.gif

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Perhaps someone will figure out how to quarantine any signals going in or out of his home. 1wink.gif

 

Seems like it should be possible to ban a device via its MAC address, rendering it completely useless until he buys a new one. A forcible entry cost of $299 to post his dreck would be pretty nice.

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Seems like it should be possible to ban a device via its MAC address, rendering it completely useless until he buys a new one. A forcible entry cost of $299 to post his dreck would be pretty nice.

 

You can change your mac address on many devices, perhaps not an iPhone etc but it's not a UUID.

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