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What's wrong with lacking curiosity? Why should Americans need to know where Russia is? I don't find it at all sad or disturbing.

 

Stupidity and ignorance are not positive qualities.  .....

 

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to truly, fully appreciate practically anything if you live in near complete ignorance?  

As Zappa once noted, "stupidity has a certain charm; ignorance does not."

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As Zappa once noted, "stupidity has a certain charm; ignorance does not."

 

Well, there's some truth to that.

 

Also, stupidity can't be helped.  Ignorance, however, is a choice.  So, I should have worded my comment above differently.

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I know I should resist but... Other than Europe being a continent, please share with us what you think Europe is.

 

I fail to see the point you're trying to make.  Did you have one?

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I see some very very stupid remarks in some of these posts, but this bit strikes me as something so obvious, so important (even more than another iphone line with a bigger screen):

- Apple's search engine.

Why doesn't Apple do something? Why are they defending and defending until someone really hits them hard? That's so stupid. Search is so important and can do so much to integrate the experience between devices. Neither Google or MS should have a presence unless the user wanted it. Apple has to do it.

Apple's search engine is very successful. I do not understand your comment.
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If Apple was actually "focused" on improving Safari then it wouldn't have had so many iOS problems/bugs. (... and please don't give me the silly little... "I've never had any problems"... in response.

So... a little more focus would be an improvement.
How do you know they are not focusing? And what does "a little more focus" even mean? Apple is a big company with various departments. They can do many things at once, without having to throw all of the company's resources into your pet peeves.
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We do know for certain that they are not doing a good job of fixing these services. And it's not just a matter of fixing bugs. Beta releases of Mail, etc. delivered to developers? Do you know what you are taking about? What's released to developers are beta versions of iOS or Mac OS, not Mail on its own.
And these beta releases may contain what? Among other things, bug fixes or improvements to mail or Safari.
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I know I should resist but... Other than Europe being a continent, please share with us what you think Europe is.
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That's pretty much it. What is North America other than a continent? What is Asia?

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Do you really think that I do not know where/how to provide feedback to Apple? Really?

C'mon...

Like I said already: it's not about you.

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How do you know they are not focusing? And what does "a little more focus" even mean? Apple is a big company with various departments. They can do many things at once, without having to throw all of the company's resources into your pet peeves.

 

Are you shittin' me?

 

A company like Apple that is supposed to be a producer of premium products puts out a buggy release of Safari and you think that is being focused. Hell, some developers have even called the release "sloppy".

 

... and that's okay with you.

 

Pet peeve? Okay, man, sure... whatever.

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Are you shittin' me?

 

A company like Apple that is supposed to be a producer of premium products puts out a buggy release of Safari and you think that is being focused. Hell, some developers have even called the release "sloppy".

 

... and that's okay with you.

 

Pet peeve? Okay, man, sure... whatever.

 

There's a problem.  They'll fix it.  What's the big deal?  Happens all the time with software, whether from indie developers or the Big Guns.  You're acting like this is the first time a major company has released a buggy version of a program.

 

Yeesh.

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A company like Apple that is supposed to be a producer of premium products puts out a buggy release of Safari and you think that is being focused. 

Not just any product, but basic browser software is perhaps the most mature of the lot, at this point...

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There's a problem.  They'll fix it.  What's the big deal?  Happens all the time with software, whether from indie developers or the Big Guns.  You're acting like this is the first time a major company has released a buggy version of a program.

 

Yeesh.

 

OFFS. At least follow the discussion. This is about focus. 

 

(or maybe it's okay with you that Apple acts "just like one of the other guys". Hell, Samsung does it, why not Apple! Microsoft sold buggy shit all the time and they made really big money... Apple should follow their lead. )

 

 We're talking about browser software. Is it really beyond Apple's capability to have a new version of a browser to be less buggy. Really?

 

I sure as hell don't want them releasing a complex new product for quite a while if that's the new attitude.


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OFFS. At least follow the discussion.

 

I did.

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I did.

 

Well, then... that's just sad.

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OFFS. At least follow the discussion. This is about focus. 

 

(or maybe it's okay with you that Apple acts "just like one of the other guys". Hell, Samsung does it, why not Apple! Microsoft sold buggy shit all the time and they made really big money... Apple should follow their lead. )

 

 We're talking about browser software. Is it really beyond Apple's capability to have a new version of a browser to be less buggy. Really?

 

I sure as hell don't want them releasing a complex new product for quite a while if that's the new attitude.

 

Apple has released buggy stuff before.  Everyone has, as I said.

 

It seems to me, though I obviously don't know the inside story, that what happened is that they were releasing on iOS7 on a schedule.  They were having problems with Safari on iOS7 but weren't going to delay iOS7.  And it has taken them longer to fix the Safari problem than they realized it would (for whatever reason).

 

It happens.  I mean, it's not a disaster.  I use Safari all the time, and have I had crashes?  Yes.  Have they happened constantly?  No.  Is it a simple thing to just re-open Safari?  Yes.

 

I mean, I'm looking forward to them fixing it too.  But it's not like some apocalyptic disaster.  Unclench man.

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The point isn't whether Apple creates a category that doesn't currently exist, it's whether Apple enters a category that is new for them and brings in new revenue streams. A wearable device, TV or mobile payments system would be a new category for Apple.

That's fair, but it's not how I interpret his post.
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Apple has released buggy stuff before.  Everyone has, as I said.

 

It seems to me, though I obviously don't know the inside story, that what happened is that they were releasing on iOS7 on a schedule.  They were having problems with Safari on iOS7 but weren't going to delay iOS7.  And it has taken them longer to fix the Safari problem than they realized it would (for whatever reason).

 

It happens.  I mean, it's not a disaster.  I use Safari all the time, and have I had crashes?  Yes.  Have they happened constantly?  No.  Is it a simple thing to just re-open Safari?  Yes.

 

I mean, I'm looking forward to them fixing it too.  But it's not like some apocalyptic disaster.  Unclench man.

 

How about if you actually follow the thread. Here, I'll even assist you...

 

Original discussion was pedro saying that Apple should get into "Search".

 

Anan responded:

 

"I'd rather that Apple focused on: (i) getting Safari right for iOS; (ii) getting its mail and iCloud right in both OSX and iOS."

 

See how simple that is...

 

... but guys like you run off at the mouth thinking that it's okay for Apple to be sloppy, be like everyone else etc. etc.

 

... and all this is about is one guy saying that Apple should "focus" on getting a simple thing right before they should even begin to think about search.

 

It's about focus.

 

I only have to unclench but you'd have to try and get your head out of yours.

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OFFS. At least follow the discussion. This is about focus. 

 

(or maybe it's okay with you that Apple acts "just like one of the other guys". Hell, Samsung does it, why not Apple! Microsoft sold buggy shit all the time and they made really big money... Apple should follow their lead. )

 

 We're talking about browser software. Is it really beyond Apple's capability to have a new version of a browser to be less buggy. Really?

 

I sure as hell don't want them releasing a complex new product for quite a while if that's the new attitude.

 

Apple has released buggy stuff before.  Everyone has, as I said.

 

It seems to me, though I obviously don't know the inside story, that what happened is that they were releasing on iOS7 on a schedule.  They were having problems with Safari on iOS7 but weren't going to delay iOS7.  And it has taken them longer to fix the Safari problem than they realized it would (for whatever reason).

 

It happens.  I mean, it's not a disaster.  I use Safari all the time, and have I had crashes?  Yes.  Have they happened constantly?  No.  Is it a simple thing to just re-open Safari?  Yes.

 

I mean, I'm looking forward to them fixing it too.  But it's not like some apocalyptic disaster.  Unclench man.

When a CEO boasts, as Cook did in the interview “….it’s really hard to do hardware, software and services and to link all those things together. That’s what makes Apple so special,” he’d better deliver on it.

 

Btw, if anyone needs to unclench, go look in the mirror. You’ve been getting bent out of shape as though some family member of yours has been slighted in a major way….

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Europe was a name that somebody came up with for Americans who didn't understand that Europe was a lot of countries that weren't like U.S.

 

Meanwhile is Arizona... "Eeeuuu... Eeee rep... eeerp, Erp!!"

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There was a poll not many years ago, and a huge percentage (can't remember what it was, but it was really large) couldn't find Russia -- RUSSIA! -- on a world map.  Americans' lack of knowledge about the rest of the world -- heck lack of knowledge about America itself -- cannot be overestimated.

 

Heck, when Sarah Palin was being prepped for the debates in 2008 they had to explain to her where Germany was, that they were part of the Axis in WWII, etc.  Really scary.

 

This is from 2006, but if anything it's most likely gotten worse:

 

 

I mean, COME ON!  How can nearly half of Americans aged 18-24 not be able to find India?!  I mean, ooh, if it were like Montenegro or Andorra or something, even say Serbia, I could understand.  But not only is India a HUGE country, it is also very distinctive looking.  And not knowing where Louisiana is?  Give me a break.  You have to either live in your basement 24/7 doing nothing but playing Xbox or be partially retarded.

 

60%+ of all High school graduating seniors routinely can't name Washington D.C., as the capital of The United States of America, nor find it on a map.

 

I've always wanted to see a weighted distribution mapping cause I'd wager some parts of the US are heavily skewing this metric.

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Meanwhile is Arizona... "Eeeuuu... Eeee rep... eeerp, Erp!!"

 

Speaking of Arizona, the proper name of `Tew-Sahn' (Tucson) is `Tewk-Sun' and the only person to ever say it correctly is the chief representing the natives in that area.

 

Then there is `War-sheeng- tun' DC, instead of `Wah-sheeng-tun', DC.

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Are you shittin' me?

 

A company like Apple that is supposed to be a producer of premium products puts out a buggy release of Safari and you think that is being focused. Hell, some developers have even called the release "sloppy".

 

... and that's okay with you.

 

Pet peeve? Okay, man, sure... whatever.

 

Describe the showstopper bugs you're eluding to; and have you tested the WebKit Nightlies of late? The huge gutting of the trunk has purged a lot of crap from Google and company.

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Describe the showstopper bugs you're eluding to; and have you tested the WebKit Nightlies of late? The huge gutting of the trunk has purged a lot of crap from Google and company.

 

How many links are you prepared to read today?

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Why I ever would bother to respond to you, I have no idea.  But here goes.

 

GOOG needs to gain about $70bn on AAPL.  Sorry, that's pretty unlikely.

 

And GOOG did not blow by XOM.  GOOG is still behind XOM, though by only $200M.

 

Gaining $70Bn on AAPL is not unlikely at all. GOOG just need to gain 10% and AAPL to lose 10% (and remember that AAPL is up some 35% from its lows of last year).

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"Europe was a name that somebody came up with for Americans who didn't understand that Europe was a lot of countries that weren't like U.S. states. They were very different."

I was born in 1963, which is in the range of Tim. As I think about how I learned about Europe, I remember my elementary school teachers repeating Europe was made up of individual countries not states. This part of Tim's remark is enough for my historical memory.

Europe did not happen until 1957. In grade school, Tim could have been taught what he said in the first part of his statement. Without completely sticking with adult knowledge to make his point, he could have momentarily picked up his childhood lessons.

Since the WSJ is only publishing an edited interview we cannot know EXACTLY what Tim said.

Special note... Elementary vs. grade was done only because I am from the North and Tim is from the South. I remember my Southern cousins saying grade school while we said elementary school in the North. Hopefully this will prevent a flame war.

Europe did not happen until 1957? Did Charlemagne get the memo?

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Europe did not happen until 1957? Did Charlemagne get the memo?

I know you did not read my other explanation about 1957. Take a moment to do so. I will edit my first post with a link to the second post to prevent further responses like this one 😃
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Because they couldn’t care less. End of story.

No, Apple doesn’t have to turn its customers into whores.

They already did, Sherlock and of course they have their unified search patents, which have been successfully used against Google's lesser Android offerings.
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What's wrong with lacking curiosity? Why should Americans need to know where Russia is? I don't find it at all sad or disturbing.
Ipsum quaestionem respondet ipsum: In Soviet Russia, curiosity lacks you!
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What's wrong with lacking curiosity? Why should Americans need to know where Russia is? I don't find it at all sad or disturbing.

 

Stupidity and ignorance are not positive qualities.  .....

 

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to truly, fully appreciate practically anything if you live in near complete ignorance?  

As Zappa once noted, "stupidity has a certain charm; ignorance does not."


As Dean Wormer (Animal House) said to Bluto Blutarsky: "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Also: “You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of football team, or some nuclear weapons, but in the very least you need a beer.” - Frank Zappa
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I thought the Europe analogy was counterproductive, seeing as we have technological marvels like the LHC, and ESA's Planck mission, as well as Concorde and a host of individual bits of genius wedded to history like BMW and Porsche and on and on. Using Europe sort of bigs up Android. 

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There's a problem.  They'll fix it.  What's the big deal?  Happens all the time with software, whether from indie developers or the Big Guns.  You're acting like this is the first time a major company has released a buggy version of a program.

Yeesh.

You want another bug since iOS 7 came out? If you start a movie in videos from icloud and don't finish it- and even then sometimes even if you finish- It saves on your iPhone or iPad. Unless you finish the movie- it stores it indefinitely with no way to remove. You stop halfway through and your wife puts on her movie- there's 9gb tied up. God forbid your kid starts a movie then switches it to another because he's halfway through.

6 months that crap still not being fixed is ridiculous. I had to download a program on my imac just to access my phones cloud storage.

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You want another bug since iOS 7 came out? If you start a movie in videos from icloud and don't finish it- and even then sometimes even if you finish- It saves on your iPhone or iPad. Unless you finish the movie- it stores it indefinitely with no way to remove. You stop halfway through and your wife puts on her movie- there's 9gb tied up. God forbid your kid starts a movie then switches it to another because he's halfway through.

6 months that crap still not being fixed is ridiculous. I had to download a program on my imac just to access my phones cloud storage.

 

That does sound bad.  I've never encountered it, just because I've never been in that situation.  

 

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You need to at least get to Dallas to check out the women. Nothin like them in America (I travel quite a bit- and no airport has hotter woman strolling around than Dallas international or love field)- there's not even a close 2nd. 1wink.gif

 

Nah.  There are exactly 4 places below the M-D Line I am at all interested in visiting: Miami, Austin, New Orleans, and possibly Lakeland, FL one day, because that's where my Detroit Tigers have Spring Training.

 

But I'll keep that in mind. :)

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Well, I see that this thread has evolved as per usual...

 

I wonder if Tim Cook would approve.

 

There wasn't anywhere near enough info in the article to sustain 130 messages On-Topic.  It was bound to start fading into Off-Topic territory pretty early.  It's not like Apple released a new OS or something.

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That'll be a loosing battle. You can't force everyone on iOS to use it, people are used to google. They even made it into a verb... Yeah you have a choice to switch out of google, but who the hell used bing now? I mentioned in another post, the money is in ads, and apple has iAds

I use Bing because I like it better 80 percent of the time. First, I like the homepage. The changing picture with related facts is fun. I also like the way the stories of interest are layed out. Second, Google borrowed Bing's superior way of displaying images. Third, in a side by side blind comparison I generally pick Bings results two out if three times. Fourth, Bing gives me points I can use at places like Starbucks and Amazon.

Further Googles claim to fame was not mixing ads with search results like everybody else was doing at the time. Now Google has adopted the annoying mix ads with search results behavior of the companies it surpassed.

Bing is a superior search engine most of the time unless you are searching for certain technical things.

I think Microsoft should spin Bing off and allow Apple to partner up on it.
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Are you shittin' me?

A company like Apple that is supposed to be a producer of premium products puts out a buggy release of Safari and you think that is being focused. Hell, some developers have even called the release "sloppy".

... and that's okay with you.

Pet peeve? Okay, man, sure... whatever.

But it is OK for Google to keep releasing Beta products?
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Baa, How did my comment get deleted? All I did was say something positive about America. :-( that's the last time I ever do that.
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Fact is the name Europe is not a name created by Americans. It existed long before the United States did. So that comment was dumb and took away from his larger more accurate point.

Americans think of themselves as American. That implies a great unity for USA. Europeans don't think of themselves as European. They think of themselves as English, French, Italian etc. Fragmented.

Politically, Europe is a complete mess. In that respect, Tim Cook's comparison to Android is apt.
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I use Bing because I like it better 80 percent of the time. First, I like the homepage. The changing picture with related facts is fun. I also like the way the stories of interest are layed out. Second, Google borrowed Bing's superior way of displaying images. Third, in a side by side blind comparison I generally pick Bings results two out if three times. Fourth, Bing gives me points I can use at places like Starbucks and Amazon.

Further Googles claim to fame was not mixing ads with search results like everybody else was doing at the time. Now Google has adopted the annoying mix ads with search results behavior of the companies it surpassed.

Bing is a superior search engine most of the time unless you are searching for certain technical things.

I think Microsoft should spin Bing off and allow Apple to partner up on it.

 

I generally prefer Google results (perhaps I am more used to them), but I agree that mixing ads with search results is really horrible.

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But it is OK for Google to keep releasing Beta products?

 

Google's argument is that it is OK because their products are generally free. Safari may be free, but it is really a (crucial) part of Apple's operating systems.

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Google's argument is that it is OK because their products are generally free. Safari may be free, but it is really a (crucial) part of Apple's operating systems.
Apple's non professional software is free too. But that's not to excuse the Safari bug which needs to be fixed like yesterday.
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