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After launching preorders for the completely redesigned Mac Pro in December it looks as though Apple is still struggling to meet demand, as the company's online store now reflects ship times of April for all configurations.

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When Apple began taking preorders for the redesigned, American-made Mac Pro in late December, pent up demand was such that ship dates for standard configurations quickly slipped from Dec. 30 to February. Stock of build-to-order units were constrained from the outset with ship-by dates quoted as "January."

Since that point, the Mac Pro has been on constant backorder from Apple's own online storefront, though shipping estimates never reached beyond the February time frame. As of Tuesday, however, it appears ship dates are once again sliding for all models, suggesting production has yet to ramp to adequate volumes.

The shortage was first spotted by MacGeneration (via MacWorld), which noted that even standard configuration Mac Pros were showing April ship dates. At the time, the publication reported modified estimates in international markets like China, France, Germany, Japan and the U.K., but the new ship times quickly spread to the U.S and Canada.

Shortly after the first Mac Pro orders arrived, Apple said it was unlikely to see in-store stock until March. That statement may have been optimistic given the Tuesday's updated ship times.

Professional users have been waiting years for Apple to release a revamped Mac Pro and the overall consensus from reviewers has been largely positive. AppleInsider agreed that the black aluminum cylinder was worth the wait, finding it to be the best Mac Apple has ever made.

While Apple may be running low on inventory, authorized resellers like MacMall and Adorama have limited supply of certain configurations as seen in AppleInsider's live Price Guides.
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Demand?? What demand? All the whining iHaters and trolls have said since day one that no one wants something that looks like a trash can that can be built with off-the-shelf PC parts in their mommy's basement for $599!!

There can't possibly be demand for this thing??!!! /s
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I'm not sure why this is news.

Is AI going to announce that it slid to May next month, and June in May?

It'd be better news when the backlog actually clears up.
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I'm not sure why this is news.

 

You may be getting bad news, good news, and any kind of news mixed up.

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I may not need it, but that does not stop me from wanting it!

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I'm not sure why this is news.

Is AI going to announce that it slid to May next month, and June in May?

It'd be better news when the backlog actually clears up.

 

Yes,

 

How dare they inform me as to when I might be able to pick up one for myself.

And as an investor... how dare they let me know the status of a hot new product.

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I want one.

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They should have kept production in China. The thing would be shipping in volume by now.
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Yet more proof that the Mac Pro comes from the future - that's the only place you can buy one :)

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I agree with Scotty321. There is a reason we let things be built in China, obviously for the cost, but because they are hard at work all the damn time.

Hell, foxxtron works 24/7. But god forbid we made people work at 2am, there would be lawsuits up the ass for Apple for workers comp and people whining.

Just saying, us american's are spoiled. And honestly, a Mac Pro built in America is the same as a Mac Pro built in China. It's only due to left wing whining hippies and liberals that Apple has a due diligence to build things in the USA.
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To the manufacturing twits who know nothing about Advanced Manufacturing, they built a factory that China can't match to make this goddamn machine. It's demand is solid and the system is state-of-the-art.

No number of extra cheap laborers will make the product go faster.
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Yet more proof that the Mac Pro comes from the future - that's the only place you can buy one :)


I finally saw the Mac Pro at the Apple store in SF for the first time.  That think really does look like it does not belong in this time.  It's wicked and I so want one but alas, even my wallet is feeling a little squirmish at the thought of shelling out the money.

The rep was demoing it to a prospective customer.  As they were hammering the machine, I placed my hand over the vent and could barely register any heat from the thing.  That's some impressive cooling going on in there.

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I am so hoping that someone or even Apple makes a Transparent Aluminium casing! The insides of this beast demand exposure. http://makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
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This thing is so fast! I was writing a book on one and when I was about halfway through the first chapter, it was printing out the last few pages of the end of the book.

That's some kind of FAST!
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I'm not sure why this is news.

Is AI going to announce that it slid to May next month, and June in May?

It'd be better news when the backlog actually clears up.

 

 

If you can afford one or if you are buying one, especially one that is a custom configuration, this is news!   It is unknown when the backlog may clear up.  The news is if you are serious about buying one and haven't done so already, pull the trigger and get in line!    

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Sad to see Apple struggling with supply issues with both the iMac and Mac Pro. 

 

I think the Mac could really win over a lot of people if the prices were slightly lower, and supply issues fixed. I´m guessing Apple will eventually figure it out for future models. They are leaving a lot of money on the table here.

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To the manufacturing twits who know nothing about Advanced Manufacturing, they built a factory that China can't match to make this goddamn machine. It's demand is solid and the system is state-of-the-art.

No number of extra cheap laborers will make the product go faster.

I guess they didn't see the video that shows how automated a lot of this stuff is.
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Have to say, that I think it's funny that now that all of the PC makers have moved away from 'towers' and finally copied (albeit very poorly) the iMac's all-in-one styling, what does Apple do? Release an awesome mini-tower that everyone wants!
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Demand?? What demand? All the whining iHaters and trolls have said since day one that no one wants something that looks like a trash can that can be built with off-the-shelf PC parts in their mommy's basement for $599!!

There can't possibly be demand for this thing??!!! /s

Don't waste your time with amateurish sarcasm. Just what do you think you've accomplished?

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Nice to see pent-up demand finally met. This is a beautiful piece of engineering.

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I'm not sure why this is news.

Is AI going to announce that it slid to May next month, and June in May?

It'd be better news when the backlog actually clears up.

 

Uh maybe because this is AppleInsider? At least they're not reporting when someone at Samsung took a dump as they usually do, when nobody cares. A backlog is just as much of news as when it clears up. People would probably like to know about a backlog. 

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Sad to see Apple struggling with supply issues with both the iMac and Mac Pro. 

 

I think the Mac could really win over a lot of people if the prices were slightly lower, and supply issues fixed. I´m guessing Apple will eventually figure it out for future models. They are leaving a lot of money on the table here.

 

People are already buying more Macs than PCs. Apple is not in a race to see how cheap of a Mac they can make. I can't necessarily say Apple doesn't care how many they sell, but it from what both Steve and Tim have said in the past, its quality over quantity, not the other way around. This is something that has worked for them in the past, and I have to believe will continue to work. 

 

The Mac Pro can't possibly get any cheaper. I'm surprised they're actually making money off the every MacPro sold. The dual graphics cards alone are damn near the cost of the low end MacPro. 

 

The price of the iMac is consistent of what it has been for years and yet, they still sell them very well. Apple doesn't have to sell 10 million Macs to declare themselves successful. Like I said they're already gaining marketshare in a time when some big players are deciding to get out of the PC business because its not worth it to them anymore. To me, this is what is making the Mac a success already. 

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PC Pro magazine in UK ( used to be Mac haters of course ) gave the Mac Pro a glowing review and used terms like 'truly impressive feat of engineering' , 'unparalleled triumph' and 'competitive on Price' ...  Gave it 6/6 stars for performance and features/design , value for money 5/6 :-)

It really was a glowing review....  

 

It's funny, they now have Apple products in their 'A-list' of best buys!  Best All-In-One = iMac 27" , Best Full size tablet  = iPad Air  , Enthusiast Laptop = Macbook Pro 13 with retina,  quite a turn-around for a magazine that originally described the iPad as a 'fad'..... and Mac's as 'toys'.

 

Well done Apple.   But where is the new Mac Mini ( Pro ) ??   ;-) 

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I am so hoping that someone or even Apple makes a Transparent Aluminium casing! The insides of this beast demand exposure. http://makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/

I would love to see the insides while working too. I felt the same about my 8 Core Mac Pro (last gen). They too were a work of art. I wonder if the black color has a significant role in the heat dissipation though?
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Don't waste your time with amateurish sarcasm. Just what do you think you've accomplished?

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Hey, anyone that's desperate let me know ... make me an offer I can't refuse... 6 Core model ... next day shipping. 1biggrin.gif
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They should have kept production in China. The thing would be shipping in volume by now.

 

Yes, I can see Apple didn't have any problems with keeping up with demand with things like the iPhone, which ships from China. Moreover, building it in the US has many benefits outside of the good publicity. The most important one is competitors can't ask the ITC for an import ban because that only applies to products build outside the US. Google was smart with Motorola and took the same approach. Moreover, Apple can keep a closer eye on manufacturing as well as IP theft. 

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I agree with Scotty321. There is a reason we let things be built in China, obviously for the cost, but because they are hard at work all the damn time.

Hell, foxxtron works 24/7. But god forbid we made people work at 2am, there would be lawsuits up the ass for Apple for workers comp and people whining.

Just saying, us american's are spoiled. And honestly, a Mac Pro built in America is the same as a Mac Pro built in China. It's only due to left wing whining hippies and liberals that Apple has a due diligence to build things in the USA.

 

 

Right, we Americans are lazy. Yet, the 80's was the height of the economic boom, and most manufacturing was done in the US. What changed? We Americans didn't all the sudden become lazy. My father worked at Ford, and put in 75 hours a week. Instead, all the greedy corporate fat cats decided to use all their extra dough and buy off Congress and the President to pass NAFTA so that they could do away with pesky import tariffs that paid for things like education, and roads. We essentially sold our values and pride so that things could be made cheaply by government subsidized slave labor overseas in places like China that do not adhere to the same values as western democracies do. Now the US is borrowing money from China, and our infrastructure is in shambles. 

 

A Mac built in China is not the same as one built in the US. I have pride over the one build in the US, and I am happy my purchase is keeping my neighbors employed. Further, the move is smart. You rarely heard of Apple's manufacturing plans when things were build in places like the US or Ireland. That is because product secrets can be locked down tighter in Western countries where IP is valued. If Apple set up shop in China for the Mac Pros, competitors would have easy access to the facilities. 

 

Additionally, Apple does not have to worry about having to defend itself before the ITC over patent trolls because products built in the US are not subject to the ITC.  Building the product in the US was a brilliant move. 

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If you honestly think that ever had any impact

 

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I have no doubt that Apple could have built the capacity so that there would be no back log at this point in the product cycle.  And then 6 months from now they would have to scale back when demand falls back to normal levels and assembly lines would be sitting idle.  I expect they've got this well under control.

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This thing is so fast! I was writing a book on one and when I was about halfway through the first chapter, it was printing out the last few pages of the end of the book.

That's some kind of FAST!

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PC Pro magazine in UK ( used to be Mac haters of course ) gave the Mac Pro a glowing review and used terms like 'truly impressive feat of engineering' , 'unparalleled triumph' and 'competitive on Price' ...  Gave it 6/6 stars for performance and features/design , value for money 5/6 :-)
It really was a glowing review....  

It's funny, they now have Apple products in their 'A-list' of best buys!  Best All-In-One = iMac 27" , Best Full size tablet  = iPad Air  , Enthusiast Laptop = Macbook Pro 13 with retina,  quite a turn-around for a magazine that originally described the iPad as a 'fad'..... and Mac's as 'toys'.

Well done Apple.   But where is the new Mac Mini ( Pro ) ??   ;-) 

And yet, MacFormat only gave the Mac Pro 4/5. Maybe their standards are higher than PC Pro. 1smile.gif

It almost makes me want to work in video so I can justify buying one.
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Hey, anyone that's desperate let me know ... make me an offer I can't refuse... 6 Core model ... next day shipping. 1biggrin.gif

 

 

I am still holding out hope that mine will arrive by the end of the month...

 

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 It's only due to left wing whining hippies and liberals that Apple has a due diligence to build things in the USA.

 

Funny. 30 yr ago "made in the USA" was a conservative mantra.  To the extent that Bruce Springsteen did a song with that theme.  To quote from the Wikipedia entry, "Even more notably, the widely read conservative columnist George Will... praised Springsteen...."  I remember, back then I was both a conservative and a USA-made advocate.  I'm still a USA-made advocate.

 

My point is: no need to politicize this, nor to cast aspersions.

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I'm not sure why this is news.
Is AI going to announce that it slid to May next month, and June in May?
It'd be better news when the backlog actually clears up.

 

Oh come off it.  Look on the bright side, at least it's a story about APPLE, rather than Sammy, Nokie, etc.

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Which is the hard part, a deep drawn aluminum cylinder, skim cut and anodized, or an aluminum extrusion? My father was using stainless steel domes, of very similar proportions, in juice vending machines back in the 1960s and 70s. Extrusions are easy. Pick and place machines? I've got a buddy in Montana assembling electronics on tightly packaged boards.

 

The Mac Pro is probably one of Apple's lowest volume products. We were told in 2012 there would be a new machine in 2013. Then in 2013 we were told we would be able to buy it in December. I'm still waiting for a six core machine. It's BS. The design may have been hard, but I flat out do not believe this thing is so difficult to manufacture. Where is the hard part?

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Hey, anyone that's desperate let me know ... make me an offer I can't refuse... 6 Core model ... next day shipping. 1biggrin.gif

 

I'm assuming this comment is made in jest or are you having second thoughts whether the nMP meets your needs?

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Which is the hard part, a deep drawn aluminum cylinder, skim cut and anodized, or an aluminum extrusion? My father was using stainless steel domes, of very similar proportions, in juice vending machines back in the 1960s and 70s. Extrusions are easy. Pick and place machines? I've got a buddy in Montana assembling electronics on tightly packaged boards.

The Mac Pro is probably one of Apple's lowest volume products. We were told in 2012 there would be a new machine in 2013. Then in 2013 we were told we would be able to buy it in December. I'm still waiting for a six core machine. It's BS. The design may have been hard, but I flat out do not believe this thing is so difficult to manufacture. Where is the hard part?

Because you don't think the extrusion is hard you can't see how any other part of it can be difficult? I'm also pretty sure your buddy in Montana isn't doing anything close to the sophistication found on Apple's boards. Do you have any images of his boards to show us? Where is he getting his Thunderbolt 2 chis from? How many TB2 chips can he obtain at once? Did he design his own low-power, high-volume, noise-less fan?

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Because you don't think the extrusion is hard you can't see how any other part of it can be difficult? I'm also pretty sure your buddy in Montana isn't doing anything close to the sophistication found on Apple's boards. Do you have any images of his boards to show us? Where is he getting his Thunderbolt 2 chis from? How many TB2 chips can he obtain at once? Did he design his own low-power, high-volume, noise-less fan?


Let's not conflate design and assembly. The design work is done. The design of the fan blade is done. The design of the Thunderbolt parts is done, and they are readily available in Macbooks. We are waiting on assembly. Is parts density on a Mac Pro circuit board so much higher than that on an iPhone that the Chinese cannot accomplish the task? I would be very surprised if the answer is yes. Owing to their precision, pick and place machines can populate very dense circuit boards.  Unless the Mac Pro uses a completely different parts set for Thunderbolt, I see no evidence to suggest availability of Thunderbolt parts is an issue. Macbooks ship within 24 hours.

 

Your arguments relate strictly to design, not assembly. The design is done. We are waiting on assembly. Usually, when some piece of an Apple product is subject to low yield/supply problems, we see articles all over the web speculating about it. I've not seen this with any Mac Pro parts - other than possibly the CPU.

 

One last point, I'm not a China advocate, but if you think they are still building stuff by hand on dirt floors, brother you're in for a shock. I am inclined to suspect the difficulty in ramping Mac Pro production is evidence of this. I bet the Chinese could have produced more machines in less time.

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