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Latest sketchy rumor claims Apple to launch two 'iPhone 6' models with 4.7" & 5.5" displays in Sept.

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Rumors about Apple's next iPhone continue to fly, with the latest questionable stab claiming the company is planning to launch a so-called "iPhone 6" this September with two larger screen sizes: 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches.

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The details supposedly come from "industry insiders" who allege to have seen "prototypes" of the upcoming devices, a report from the South China Morning Post said on Wednesday. Both devices are rumored to feature scratch-resistant sapphire crystal glass and will feature a new pixel density of 441 pixels-per-inch.

The pixel density specifics are particularly questionable, because the number cited is off by eight pixels, if Apple were to maintain the 16:9 screen aspect ratio currently found on the iPhone 5s, iPhone 5c and iPhone 5. For Apple to again change the aspect ratio of the iPhone's display seems suspect.

In addition, the report quoted an insider who reportedly said that the next iPhone will have a flat -- and not curved -- display because the company is following a lead supposedly set by Samsung.

"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it," the source was quoted as saying.

Given the questionable claims made in the report, it's unlikely the specifics will turn out to be accurate. However, it is another major publication piling on to the rumors that Apple is planning to release at least one larger iPhone model later this year. For example, last month The Wall Street Journal claimed that Apple was actually planning to launch two larger models this year, in some level of agreement with Wednesday's latest rumors.

Apple's current flagship device, the iPhone 5s, sports a 4-inch screen packing in 326 pixels-per-inch into its Retina display. Prior to the iPhone 5, Apple's smartphones sported smaller 3.5-inch screens.

Until now, most rumors have pegged the size of Apple's next iPhone at under 5 inches, including claims from analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities, who has a strong track record in predicting the company's future product plans. They suggest that Apple strongly believes one-handed use provides a superior experience on smartphones.

So-called big-screen "phablets" have become increasingly popular, with Samsung leading the way in terms of selection. The Korean firm's Galaxy Note III, which was released last year, features a 5.7-inch display, while the Galaxy Mega comes close to being a small tablet with a 6.3-inch screen.
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Well this isn't that farfetched since Apple already switched to having 2 parallel new iPhones starting last year.  They have also said that they don't think a large screen phone is for everyone.  So it makes sense to have 2 size screens to satisfy people who don't like large screens and those that think the screen should be bigger.  They're already doing it with the iPad and iPad mini.

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Just as well the rumours are sketchy, don't know what we'd do if they were rock solid!

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Those reports come from an Korean company and are propably sponsored by samsung. Recently, they reported that samsung will use an bezel less display in S5, and then they reported that Apple will make an bezel less display in iPhone 6, suplied by samsung...
Then they will say, Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it.
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"Rumors"..."questionable"..."so-called"
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3 keys words from the article...and 2 more from the title...

 

"sketchy rumor"

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I don't think they will make the phone any bigger. They may make the screen bigger by reducing the bezel to nothing, but that's the only way.

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This source lost all credibility when quoted as saying that Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it. It's quite the other way around; with the exception of the epic failure of the Samsung Galaxy Brick Watch.
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4.6 or 4.7 inches. No 5" and certainly no 5.5".
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The rumor mill is in full force and it's only February. There is one undeniable truth about Apple hardware: Nobody knows nothing until it's released. The speculation is ridiculous and it's guaranteed 95% of it is nonsense.
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It seems more likely that Apple are testing two sizes and will choose one of them to put into production.  If Apple will have two sizes of iPhones, the smaller size would almost certainly be the current size.

 

I could imagine the lineup a year from now being iPhone 6, 5s, and 5.  They might keep the iPhone 4 in production for poorer countries like India.

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I can't wait to see these anal-cysts proven wrong again when Apple releases another 4" iPhone 6.

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"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it," the source was quoted as saying.
 

 

I guess that's why Apple is waiting for Samsung to release 64bit...

 

...oh, snap!

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It seems more likely that Apple are testing two sizes and will choose one of them to put into production.

 

My sensible side says you're right.

 

My whimsical side says iPhone and iPad Nano :D

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The rumor mill is in full force and it's only February. There is one undeniable truth about Apple hardware: Nobody knows nothing until it's released. The speculation is ridiculous and it's guaranteed 95% of it is nonsense.

With enough guesses, someone will be close and then they can claim later on they were accurate so people believe them in future and maybe get paid for their analysis. The fact Macrumors yesterday posted a mockup image with a 4.7" and 5.5" phone here:

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/02/11/iphone-6-said-to-adopt-bezel-free-display/

and then today, there comes out news about someone seeing a 4.7" and 5.5" form factor, it's clear that it's the usual cycle of rumors based on mockups, based on rumors.

The problem Samsung and its fans have is that they want to believe they make a difference. They are insecure about the fact that Samsung's contribution to the mobile phone market is irrelevant and they are so desperate for Apple to copy something in order to validate it. This is one reason Apple shouldn't do 4.7" or above because there are so many people waiting with baited breath to jump on it as evidence of Apple following Samsung.

The width of the iPhone is comfortable for anyone to hold. 4" isn't quite the limit of one-handed use but it's comfortably within it. The limit is around 4.2" or 4.3" as the Blackberry Z10 demonstrated. If they went edge-to-edge with the current form factor, they could fit a 4.3" display in. That's also the limit of not needing to increase the resolution to stay above 300PPI.

To make a much bigger screen and stay above 300PPI without causing developers any problems, they have to increase the resolution considerably and possibly the backlight. While high-res panels exist already, they use OLED and the brightness level is about half the iPhone so not good in daylight and the display power usage is double.
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Personally- id love a 5.5" iPhone. But I think 4.3 and 4.7 would be much smarter options for apple. Id be fine with 4.7, and 4.3 wouldn't change the current size.

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4.6 or 4.7 inches. No 5" and certainly no 5.5".

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The rumor mill is in full force and it's only February. There is one undeniable truth about Apple hardware: Nobody knows nothing until it's released. The speculation is ridiculous and it's guaranteed 95% of it is nonsense.

So you're saying that everyone knows everything?
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I guess that's why Apple is waiting for Samsung to release 64bit...

...oh, snap!

Yeah, Apple's waiting for Samsung's fingerprint sensor too...
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4.6 or 4.7 inches. No 5" and certainly no 5.5".

Again, are you guys blind or something else? What if they make a 4.3 AND a 5.2 like they do on everything else? How in the world would someone complain?

For me, the current screen is worse than a joke because it is useless small as a mobile device. For others, it's just too small... Apple can and will give options.
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"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it,"

Oh man. A lot of AI readers are going to choke on their cheerios this morning.

The rumors are neither all wrong nor all correct. The iPhone 4/4s were out of the bag before release, the iPhone 5 as well. The NFC claims are still wrong to this day (and probably others that I've forgotten.)

I'd imagine that the accuracy of the rumors are a function of time, and the further away the probable release date (sept. or so being pretty far away,) the less likely they are to be accurate.

That said, I don't find anything too unreasonable about two iPhone models (it's been done already,) and certainly not one larger iPhone model. It really could go either way.

I'm inclined to think Apple will release one, modestly larger, iPhone this year, but if they did an "iPhone Pro" I'd not be that terribly surprised.

The tone of the article is a good enough reason to doubt the veracity of the claims, but it might just happen to be right, for all that.
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I can see 2 phones, but not 4.7 and 5.5..

What I can see is a 4" and 4.8", maintaining the same aspect ratio and allowing customer choice between a currently successful size and a larger version with higher resolution..

They MIGHT bump 4" to 4.3 or 4.5 if they can keep the same size.. but we won't know until it's in hand really.

I can also see them dropping the numbering system.. it might go iPhone and iPhone Pro.. the numbering has been getting silly and I suspect soon it will be a thing of the past. This would put its iPhone in line with the way they do their Macs Pro / MacBook Pro / Macbook Air.

They gave up on number those a loooong time ago.

You'll note they don't call the iPad an iPad 4/5.. It's just iPad Air now and iPad Mini Retina.. which I suspect will just be iPad Mini next time.
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"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it," the source was quoted as saying.
- this pretty much says Sammy sponsored the report.

Besides I think Apple will release a 4.5-5" iPhone. Nothing bigger.
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"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it," the source was quoted as saying.

 

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Just like there are many types of LCD displays there are also many types of OLED. I bought stock in one of the original OLED companies close to 10 years ago. They are called Universal Display and have done a lot of work with OLED since the late 90's. Their new PHOLED technology is supposed to offer far greater power savings over the AMOLED type that Samsung uses. Apple will use whatever technology best meets their goals with power efficiency, price, and other factors but it is silly to rule out any type of OLED display for Apple products since the technology is evolving very quickly. LG would love to partner with Apple to supply displays since they are not fans of Samsung and I am sure Apple want to sever all ties with Samsung sooner than later.

 

As far as phone size, I think it is likely Apple will release the same or slightly bigger version of the current 5s with a 4" display along with an additional one around 4.8". Any smaller than that and this would defeat the purpose of having a larger iPhone. People that want a larger one are not concerned with one handed use nearly as much as they want a larger display for many other reasons. I think Apple is far too conservative and risk averse to offer two larger iPhones though. I think they will decide on one size and likely are testing several variations at the moment. I think it is highly likely somewhere around 4.97" will be the choice for the new iPhone and I hope they ditch the 16:9 ratio which is just way to narrow in landscape. I think 16:10 is far better. If Liquidmetal, sapphire glass, and curved screens are ready for prime time, then the iPhone 6 will be the biggest change since the original one debuted. The iPhone has remained pretty similar since the iPhone 4 in appearance so I think Apple is ready to unleash something entirely new. 


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Rumors about Apple's next iPhone continue to fly, with the latest questionable stab claiming the company is planning to launch a so-called "iPhone 6" this September with two larger screen sizes: 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches.

If they'll do that they'll loose me as an iPhone customer. I'd 'simply' get an old school clamshell phone (if I can find one) and an iPod touch. The current 4" is already a bit too large for my taste, and preferred the 3.5" model.

A 4.7" phone would be too large for me, but I presume the article is simply in err to not write that these rumoured 2 new sizes are in addition to the current 4".
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iPhone 6 Air & Pro?

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Here you go again on clueless rumors. Why would Apple want to add these extra useless pixels to drain battery? Keep dreaming and be disappointed. These rumors could be from Samsung or other competitors to disappoint iFans when iPhone comes out with no where close to those screen sizes.
I don't see it happnning. The best I can see is 4.5" screen iPhone at 720p to maintain 326dpi and overall phone size for one hand use. If some crazy thing happens to Ive's head that Apple will make a 4.7/4.8" screen, I don't see it's more than 768x1366 resolution. Oh, 5.5" screen? Never happen for iPhone ever.
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"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it," the source was quoted as saying."

I like this one.

Except that Apple improvement should not look like copying Samsung. And if rumor is true, it's pure copy.
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To make a much bigger screen and stay above 300PPI without causing developers any problems, they have to increase the resolution considerably and possibly the backlight. While high-res panels exist already, they use OLED and the brightness level is about half the iPhone so not good in daylight and the display power usage is double.

1) There are LCD displays that are much higher than 300 PPI being used in smartphones. I believe HTC uses one that is 440 PPI.

2) What would Apple use for a larger iPhone display. A 4.9404" display could maintain the 1136x640 and use the 264 PPI panels used for the iPad Air, but that seems too low even though I doubt most would notice and it being higher than most PenTIle displays when corrected for pixel skimming. The easiest solution may be to introduce a brand new resolution and then use that for two sizes, like with the iPad Air and iPad mini.

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Why was pedromartins banned?

It was a while ago, the label takes time to update when the temporary ban ends.
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These rumors could be from Samsung or other competitors to disappoint iFans when iPhone comes out with no where close to those screen sizes.

It happens with any development they come out with. Whether it's NFC, big displays, home screen widgets, 3rd party app stores, they think these are the inevitable next steps and it's why Samsung uses the marketing "the next big thing is already here". They want more than anything for Apple to follow their lead. When Apple instead puts in a fingerprint sensor, 64-bit chips, dual-LEDs for a true tone flash, it catches them off guard. When they rush to then implement their own versions, it just shows them up for the followers they really are but they dismiss those developments as obvious or unimportant and they will keep longing to be the ones that set the standards.

The day that Apple comes out with a 4.7" phone with home screen widgets, 3rd party app stores and NFC will be the day that Samsung says 'told you they were catching up to us, we had those things years ago'. That shouldn't put Apple off using whatever developments are the right things to do but that's what Samsung's waiting for and what drives these rumors from pro-Samsung sources.
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What would Apple use for a larger iPhone display. A 4.9404" display could maintain the 1136x640

I don't think they'd make two models. I think they'd make one top-end phone to suit as many people as possible. If they did make two, I'd expect the top one to be double the resolution but it requires upscaled assets, which I don't think Apple wants to keep forcing on developers.
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-sigh- here we go again.

 

What's an iPhone for? Yes, it is primarily to make a phone call and to be connected at all times because you want to stay up to date with your social life! Apps are basic and focused on simple straightforward tasks: Checking and tapping.

 

iPad apps already look and feel different than iPhone/iPod apps. They are focused on basic tasks as well, but in a more laid back manner.

So, here's my remark: Why the need for creating something in between? It is going to mess up the user experience: Will the Phablet make use of the iPad interface flow or the iPhone flow?

 

To all those complaining they can't properly make use of the iPhone screen because the text is either too small or their fingers too big: You should blame the iOS app developer for messing up his User Interface. Not Apple. Their 3.5" phone fits perfectly in my pocket and my Life! Here's hoping for an iPhone mini (3.5") and iPhone (4"). Who wants to hold a brick to his head?

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I believe that the smaller size will continue to be the leader. What is needed is for both versions to be Air designs, with a curved back. The Air back is most important for the smaller version as there are people (my wife included) that does not believe the line to date has been comfortable in their hand.
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It will be the 5.5" for me, cant wait to upgrade my dwarf iphone

 

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Guess he figured a way to circumvent banishment because he's still posting. lol.gif ,and yes I read Marvin's explanation. It's still funny to see.

Btw is anyone else seeing that every post is 5 hours old or better?
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So, here's my remark: Why the need for creating something in between? It is going to mess up the user experience: Will the Phablet make use of the iPad interface flow or the iPhone flow?

 

Well, my tablet stays at home, on the go I need the biggest device I can carry that doesn't bother me in my pockets. For me, its a phone around 5". But if Apple can put a 5.5" screen in the footprint of the current 5" phones, then that 5.5" phone is what I want.

 

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To all those complaining they can't properly make use of the iPhone screen because the text is either too small or their fingers too big: You should blame the iOS app developer for messing up his User Interface.

 

The keyboard is just too small and I don't have big hands, I don't get how people could like that thing, I am sure it was cutting hedge in 2007, but this is 2014...  I need a device that can do texting and go on the web, and iphones are the worst possible choice for that.


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It will be the 5.5" for me, cant wait to upgrade my dwarf iphone

 

 

The great thing about Apple being so miserly with battery management over the years is that when they introduce a larger display it will likely match if not exceed the current 5s regardless of PPI, display size, or whatever resolution that they choose. The S4 has a far larger battery than the 5s, close to 2x bigger in fact ( iPhone 5s has 1,570 mAh battery, the Galaxy S4 holds 2,600 mAh)  but just manages to match it on a typical day of usage. Spend a lot of time outdoors in sunshine and the S4 gets even less battery life than the iPhone. All those battery saving techniques in both hardware and with iOS along with a larger battery will ensure a larger iPhone will likely get far better battery life than any similar sized Android phone. 

 

If Apple offered a 4.7" and 5.5" I would also go for the larger one. I will be happy with any iPhone between those two sizes in fact. I just hope they manage to shrink the extra large forehead and chin. I am also really hoping for a wider iPhone maybe 16:10. A phone is not a TV. 16:9 might be great for videos but not so good for surfing the web, reading emails, and so many other tasks in landscape mode that I use besides watching videos. I bought the 4s, 5, and now 5s and I can promise you that the 5s will be my last smartphone smaller than 4.7" It is just too ridiculously small for me. I hope I can stay with an iPhone because I prefer iOS and Apple in general but my patience has worn out waiting. 

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The rumor mill is in full force and it's only February. There is one undeniable truth about Apple hardware: Nobody knows nothing until it's released. The speculation is ridiculous and it's guaranteed 95% of it is nonsense.

So you're saying that everyone knows everything?

No. Everyone knows something.
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Well, my tablet stays at home, on the go I need the biggest device I can carry that doesn't bother me in my pockets. For me, its a phone around 5". But if Apple can put a 5.5" screen in the footprint of the current 5" phones, then that 5.5" phone is what I want.

 

 

The keyboard is just too small and I don't have big hands, I don't get how people could like that thing, I am sure it was cutting hedge in 2007, but this is 2014...

Okay. So you want a device with an iPhone flow: Checking and tapping on the go.

It sounds like you could be served with a 5.5" iPod touch? It is the only iPhone like device that you don't need to hold to your head. It would make the iPod sexy again …

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Okay. So you want a device with an iPhone flow: Checking and tapping on the go.

It sounds like you could be served with a 5.5" iPod touch? It is the only iPhone like device that you don't need to hold to your head. It would make the iPod sexy again …

How is the iPod Touch or an iPad Mini a replacement for an iPhone? Have you priced data only plans vs. iPhone plans? iPhone plans are far cheaper than data only ones and also offer phone, texts, more data and subsidies with also a lower price. Good luck with an iPod touch if you need to call 911. Like the other poster said I want the largest device I can carry with me and still be portable and I certainly do not want yet another monthly bill. I carry a .45 caliber Glock model 37 with me pretty much everywhere I go so I am not too worried about portability of a larger iPhone or for that matter someone trying to steal my iPhone either. They  now sell combination holsters for your phone and gun though I have not seen any in person. I love my Itac defense series holster though so unless Itac makes one I am not interested. 

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LOL!  The "source" lost all credibility with this absurdly dumb quote:

 

"Apple doesn't do anything until Samsung does it, and then they improve on it," the source was quoted as saying."

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