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but this report claims the Air will be updated with A8 (and one would assume new iPhone(s) as well). So what extra work would there be in updating the mini with it?

Don't get yourself worked up about something you are correct about. The mini will get A8. Chill, bro.
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post #42 of 70
iPad mini to iPad mini retina was one of the biggest spec jumps I can remember. It is a wonderful piece of gear and can probably sit still for awhile, if resources are needed for other products.
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Ok, here's my 2¢ worth. Apple currently sells four iPad models: Air, 2, Mini, Mini w/retina. There have already been rumors that the 2 will soon be dropped. Makes sense as it still has the 30-pin connector. Mini will take over the bottom spot with a small price drop and no significant updates. That leaves both the Air and the Mini-r to be upgraded with 64-bit processors and Touch-ID. The question is when. Best case would be late 2014 for the holidays. I base this on two things: 1) Tim Cook is a logistician - reducing model lines and inventories (both product and parts) is good logistics; 2) Apple is not shy about newer models cannibalizing older models, even the not-so-older ones.

 

Forget the 12" iPad. There is no usage model that makes any sense. "For business" is not a usage model. What problem does a 12" model solve? What need does it fulfill that can't adequately be done by the Air? I certainly have no answers but my thoughts do go either to another device with a 12" screen or this whole thing is a red herring, a smoke screen, part of Apple's secrecy program.

 

PS. I find it so-o-o cute that Samsung is introducing a 12.2" tablet as proof that they are "market leaders of innovation and progressive design in the mobile industry"! Gee, did they think of that all by themselves?

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Ok, here's my 2¢ worth. Apple currently sells four iPad models: Air, 2, Mini, Mini w/retina. There have already been rumors that the 2 will soon be dropped. Makes sense as it still has the 30-pin connector. Mini will take over the bottom spot with a small price drop and no significant updates. That leaves both the Air and the Mini-r to be upgraded with 64-bit processors and Touch-ID. The question is when. Best case would be late 2014 for the holidays. I base this on two things: 1) Tim Cook is a logistician - reducing model lines and inventories (both product and parts) is good logistics; 2) Apple is not shy about newer models cannibalizing older models, even the not-so-older ones.

Forget the 12" iPad. There is no usage model that makes any sense. "For business" is not a usage model. What problem does a 12" model solve? What need does it fulfill that can't adequately be done by the Air? I certainly have no answers but my thoughts do go either to another device with a 12" screen or this whole thing is a red herring, a smoke screen, part of Apple's secrecy program.

PS. I find it so-o-o cute that Samsung is introducing a 12.2" tablet as proof that they are "market leaders of innovation and progressive design in the mobile industry"! Gee, did they think of that all by themselves?
Current Air and retina mini are already 64-bit.
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Your reasoning is flawed. The guy is stating an obvious design flaw with a 12.9" tablet: it would be too heavy design wise. That's got nothing to do with killing brunettes, or preferring smaller iPads. I don't see a 12.9" iPad happening for weight and awkwardness reasons. A 12.9" something else perhaps.

 

 

At the risk of sounding repetitive, I don't understand why you object to something you're under no obligation to use? If you prefer a smaller, lighter iPad, buy a smaller, lighter iPad. If I'm prepared to accept greater weight to get a bigger screen, how would that affect you? Why would you care? That's all I'm saying.

 

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not necessarily saying I do or do not want a 13" iPad, I'm just wondering why anyone would object to buyers having more choices?

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Don't get yourself worked up about something you are correct about. The mini will get A8. Chill, bro.
i know, I just get so annoyed when some analysts brain dump is treated as fact.
post #47 of 70
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Current Air and retina mini are already 64-bit.

Where is that darn auto-correct when you need it! :devil:

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At the risk of sounding repetitive, I don't understand why you object to something you're under no obligation to use?

It's not about me, it's about making good products. A 12.9", heavy, awkward iPad makes no sense as a product. Personal choice is besides the point. It's the same as touch screen flip-flops would be, it's dumb. If Apple release a 12.9" product it won't be an iPad.
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Ming is usually right so it excited me with his prediction of the iWatch.... but I'm so against an iPad pro cause who the hell wants to carry a heavy ass tablet? Even if its just for businesses, thats really limiting your customers... I dunno.

Oh for crying out loud.

Ming is usually right in the broad strokes...however his details are always sketchy.

Regarding iPad Pro...everyone needs to understand that iOS devices are expanding their reach in terms of screen size. iOS is a fantastic operating system, and everyone (including Apple) is still wondering what the perfect screen size / device size is for certain applications.

iPad is already 7.9" & 9.7". Adding a 12.9" is a great idea...because if you design it like the iPad Air, it won't be much heavier at all...and will be one amazing iPad. No need for a custom OS...iOS is just fine. However, there may very well be some "unique" software features for the iPad Pro, that take advantage of what should be dramatically increased screen real estate.

The iPad Pro would also be an ideal laptop replacement for many people. A keyboard case or something similar is a lot more practical on a nearly 13 inch screen then it is on a 9.7 inch screen.
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It's not about me, it's about making good products. A 12.9", heavy, awkward iPad makes no sense as a product. Personal choice is besides the point. It's the same as touch screen flip-flops would be, it's dumb. If Apple release a 12.9" product it won't be an iPad.

As per usual, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If the iPad mini were the only iPad to ever exist and Apple was talking about releasing a mythical iPad air, you'd be making the same uninformed uneducated comment about how heavy and awkward it might be.

Bottom line, you have no frigging clue.
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But isn't the power button moving/moved to the F-key now? I think it'd be cooler (far more tricky) if they integrated Touch ID into the trackpad.

Well that's just insane. What are they going to do? Build a gigantic sensor under the entire trackpad surface? You have any idea how ridiculously wasteful and expensive that would be?

Comments like these are a good reason why people should avoid reading yours.
post #52 of 70
With the recent air and mini updates- I don't care at all about an iPad anytime this year. Even the iPhone update isn't doing much for me. I'm all about the Apple TV update looming. It's been far too long and I'm downright giddy now to see what's in store.

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As per usual, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If the iPad mini were the only iPad to ever exist and Apple was talking about releasing a mythical iPad air, you'd be making the same uninformed uneducated comment about how heavy and awkward it might be.

Bottom line, you have no frigging clue.

 

You're not making sense.

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post #54 of 70
The adoption of iPad Mini Retina is running at a rate which is a bit more that 1/3 that of the new iPad air, according to Fiksu's usage tracker site.
http://www.fiksu.com/iOS-7-iPhone-5s-5c-Usage-Tracker

What is quite apparent on the iPad usage graph is that the iPad Mini Retina is tracking on a near-perfect straight-line trajectory upslope. I interpret that as an indication of supply constraints controlling the adoption. The iPad Air is also on a straight line growth trajectory which shows no sign of letting up. The only aberration in the chart is a big bump upwards on Christmas Day for both models.

one of Fiksu's usage charts show the rate of adoption by days "since launch" as a percentage of unique devices being tracked by their in-app tools. When evaluation those trend lines, one must understand that the latest devices are now competing with a significant increase in the total population of iPads, in clouding those still being sold actively like the iPad2 and the original iPad Mini.
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I want touch ID on my Magic Mouse but have one fingerprint for 5 passwords.

That is an excellent idea for implementing TouchID on Mac while increasing the value proposition of the Magic Mouse.
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I want touch ID on my Magic Mouse but have one fingerprint for 5 passwords.

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That is an excellent idea for implementing TouchID on Mac while increasing the value proposition of the Magic Mouse.

Interesting idea but it is feasible. The current Touch ID data is stored in a secure enclave on SoC. Would this element need to be placed in the mouse or would the mouse wirelessly send the Touch ID hash to be read by the Mac? How does this affect the time to unlock or security? On top of that, how many people use the Magic Mouse? My iMac had the Magic Trackpad. Would this affect this feature being added?

Personally, I want to get past having to use my thumb. I want the fabled iWatch to automatically lock and unlock my iPhone, iPad, and Macs when I'm within a certain range of the BLE watch. Basically the iWatch is a moving, personal iBeacon that the aforementioned devices will look for and will unlock when it comes within the near and/or immediate range (not sure of the distances for these labels).

I want the iWatch to have Touch ID and I want it to know when it's been put on and taken off so that it can stop working as an iBeacon if, for instance, you left it on your nightstand and someone else tried to use it to access your devices without your consent. (I don't expect any of this to arrive)

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I know Kuo is usually right, but I hope he's wrong this time. The iPad Mini Retina display's colour gamut is way off the that of the iPad Air (I've checked them both out myself at my local Apple store, and you can see the difference!) and its competition from Google and Amazon. That needs to be addressed and Touch ID is a no-brainer too. I don't think its beyond Apple's capabilities this year to incorporate an A8 SoC, Touch ID and improved display in the Mini. As for the rumoured 'iPad Pro' - I really hope that does happen this year too. That 12 inch size would really suit my needs perfectly! But again I know Kuo is usually correct in his predictions, so to be honest I'm a little worried.
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I know Kuo is usually right, but I hope he's wrong this time. The iPad Mini Retina display's colour gamut is way off the that of the iPad Air (I've checked them both out myself at my local Apple store, and you can see the difference!) and its competition from Google and Amazon.

The displays definitely aren't in the same class but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker. I think it came down to "we can either ship a non-Retina display with an excellent color gamut or we can ship a Retina display with a poor color gamut on the iPad mini this year." This isn't unlike the iPad 3 having the tradeoff of being much thicker and heavier than even the 1st gen iPad when it went Retina. I suspect next year it should be better because unlike the iPad 3 I think this came down to sourcing components more than advancements in technologies that allowed the iPad 3 to become the iPad Air.

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Kuo has a strong track record with respect to predicting Apple's future product plans, having correctly predicted most of the company's 2013 product releases months before anyone else. He also revealed the company's entire fall 2012 lineup a year prior.

 

If you actually look at his past predictions from 2012 and 2013, you'll find they're mostly comprised of product refreshes that line up with the normal cycles.  It doesn't take any intelligence to figure that out and put it on a cheesy timeline graphic.

 

 

For 2012, he saw the iPad mini coming with parts ramping up, and correctly said Apple was going to start laminating the iMac's glass to the LCD panel.

 

What did he get wrong?  He said the dock connector (Lightning) would be 9-pin, and it would be coming to the iPod touch.  And that iPod touch and iPod nano would use a new kind of display panels.  And the iPod nano would be wireless.

 

 

For 2013, he was totally wrong about a new design for the MacBook Pro, modified iPod touch, and iPod nano refresh.  He completely missed the iPad Air.  The only thing he got correct is a redesigned iPhone 5.

 

He also predicted the fingerprint sensor parts would be installed under a convex home button.  That mades no sense, but it's what happens when you have all the parts and not enough technical knowledge to put them together.

 

 

There were a couple things he knew were coming (iPad mini and iPhone 5 redesign), he's predicted a lot of things that didn't happendetails he got completely wrong, and things he never saw coming.

 

Kuo calls up suppliers and asks what they're producing and shipping.  And potentially fields information provided by leaky insiders.  That's all.
 
 
Based on his track record, if you pick any one thing he predicts, outside of an expected product refresh, statistics say it will be wrong.  But, there's always one thing he gets right, and it's usually big.  The question is, what's the one thing he got right?
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What did he get wrong?  He said the dock connector (Lightning) would be 9-pin, and it would be coming to the iPod touch.  And that iPod touch and iPod nano would use a new kind of display panels.  And the iPod nano would be wireless.

If the details are coming from someone that gets a quick peak at the Lightning connector 9-pins would make sense if you think the surrounding metallic material is the ground on the male end. If you look in the female end and see the two little clips you may think it could have 10-pins. So even though he was technically wrong his source may have had access to the actual components.
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He also predicted the fingerprint sensor parts would be installed under a convex home button.  That mades no sense, but it's what happens when you have all the parts and not enough technical knowledge to put them together.

If he would have said concave I would have given it to him because on the Space Grey iPhone 5S I can see it giving that impression since it's recessed slightly and the sensor ring matches the rest of the elements well.

I wonder why he (or his source) thought it would be convex? An error in communication, an earlier prototype where it required a slight bulge, or just a wild guess?

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Apple has been working towards a more flexible OS for different sized displays for years now, they have this under control.

 

Actually, they've punted on this again and again and again. Instead of telling developers to dynamically resize layouts and assets, they've done the "retina" pixel-doubling dance on the iPhone, the iPad, and the MacBook Pro.

 

Apple needs to take a deep breath and tell its WWDC attendees, 'THIS is the year of resolution independence. Do it now, update your apps this one time, and you'll be good on all Apple devices and screens going forward."

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Getting tired of all these biased reports and reviews. Kuo has been good at 'product road maps' apparently whenever someone with knowledge of the Apple production sends him a slide or an entire deck, but when it come to his 'projections' and analysis of the numbers, he has been certainly a lot less than stellar.
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An analist?  Those guys are wrong every time!

 

So I think that Apple will release all three.  So I am an analyst now!

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I say units will ramp - with Obamacare loaded up - ramping - small businesses are busy firing people - and need to be more efficient - Apple lets us small business operators to survive with this "great" health care plan
 

 

 

If it is good for Apple than I am in favor of it too.

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Oh, boy! Well, if Ming-Chi Kuo says something, we better really pay attention.  /s

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I felt that withholding Touch ID in 2013 was a clear indication that the next version of the iPad mini and Air would otherwise see a modest bump in 2014. Touch ID in 2013 felt like the thin edge of of a much bigger wedge. Given it's initial success with a limited audience I can imagine Apple backing touch ID in a big way. Aside from enabling big push into mobile payments I'd really like to see them connect touch ID to a system-wide password keychain and simplify access for multiple users (such as child v parent accounts with different access restrictions).

In 2013 I was planning to get a retina iPad mini and iPhone 5S but given that my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 are still going strong I opt to wait until 2014 for a potential screen resolution bump on the iPhone and standardised touch ID across the iPad lineup.
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While Kuo is one of the most accurate analysts out there, last year at about the same time he gave a similar prediction about the ipad mini with retina display. Turned out supply was constrained, but the retina mini did launch in late 13. Even the best are not always correct. I think we will see the ipad pro in late 2014, and it will be cool.
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Patiently waiting for an iPad mini with support for multiple profiles and Touch ID to select between them.  8-)

TouchID is the only reason for a mini refresh...  

 

Multiple Profiles is a SW thing... although I'm sure in doing it right there are HW variables that could be tweaked (more flashRAM).

 

In general, 6 months prior  predictions easy to make/remake/unmake and make again.   No news here... move on.

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TouchID is the only reason for a mini refresh...  

Multiple Profiles is a SW thing... although I'm sure in doing it right there are HW variables that could be tweaked (more flashRAM).

In general, 6 months prior  predictions easy to make/remake/unmake and make again.   No news here... move on.

1) A better color gamut would be welcomed and perhaps expected by many in-the-know.

2) Even though profiles are SW they may not be feasible until the HW evolves more. There are plenty of examples of SW features being excluded from less powerful HW. Note: I would be surprised if profiles come in the foreseeable future due to the many logistical problems that would be faced by having multiple, instant-access users.

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Actually, they've punted on this again and again and again. Instead of telling developers to dynamically resize layouts and assets, they've done the "retina" pixel-doubling dance on the iPhone, the iPad, and the MacBook Pro.

Apple needs to take a deep breath and tell its WWDC attendees, 'THIS is the year of resolution independence. Do it now, update your apps this one time, and you'll be good on all Apple devices and screens going forward."

I think most of the "resolution independence" debate will be put to rest in the next couple of years for all technology companies, including Apple, MS and Google.

This due to HTML5, CSS3 and SVG vector graphics becoming the standard and being implimented across all platforms and browsers. As apposed to "bitmap rendering" of GUI assets. Bitmaps will go back to being used for pictures only, rather than a colored block with text in it.

All 3 of the above technologies "draw to the canvas" based on the size of the canvas, and can be further manipulated to "fit the canvas" at render time, or after with scripts and/or direct user control.

It is for this reason, and I would argue the biggest reason of all that GUIs have went "flat" across OS and browser vendors. The average user only sees it as a trend. I see it as the ability for GUI designers and developers being able to make "the switch" without a user even noticing it in the near term.
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