Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) Starting off your comment with "If you're not lazy… " isn't a good way to give an audience.
2) The cost for a Model S is much higher than an internal combustion engine. I don't have to calculate anything. Even if the electric was free and even if Elon personally came at night with a portable power truck to charge it it for free it would still cost me more to by a Model S because the price different is so great.
3) You have an odd argument to back up your comments about Americans having twisted ideas about cars. Perhaps you need to look at it from the perspective of an American. You can start with NYC.
1) Again with all these will have
comments. These are no different than when people sign up to AI just to stated how Apple sucks because Windows or Blackberry or Android/Google (or even wireless carriers) will have this or that. If there is a roadmap for that then that's great but why for it to actually exist before putting a feature in your cap and announcing it as a reason to buy an electric car today.
2) You aren't doing yourself any favours here with these arguments but telling people to move. That is not reasonable solution. Buying any Apple product I can plug into a wall socket or a computer with USB-A (2.0) just like I can with any other mobile device which makes Apple v others not the same as electric v internal combustion.
If you read my comment more attentively, you will see that I never made an argument that a Model S can compare favorably in the cost of ownership with owning an "internal-combustion-engine" vehicle. I was speaking about Nissan Leaf and the future Tesla that will cost in the $30,000 range.
My argument about the "twisted ideas about owning a vehicle" was directed at the notion that one would buy a truck in order to "haul stuff". I cannot tell you how many times I have heard this argument from various people who were in the market for a pickup truck. When I asked them how many times they would "haul stuff" per year, they would tell me that a couple times. They never considered the fact that you can actually rent a truck to "haul stuff," and it would cost you much less than buying a truck just to "haul stuff" a few times per year.
I was not "telling people to move". On the contrary, I was saying that the person who has no infrastructure at the current place of residence to charge an electric car should NOT buy an electric car. Only if they HAVE to buy an electric car, they should look for another place to live where charging such a car is feasible.
Finally, my point was that Tesla is going to do just fine whether you, as an individual, will decide to buy or NOT to buy their car. They have such huge demand for their cars already (with the cheapest one costing just under $65,000) that they can't make enough of them to satisfy the demand; hence the 3-month-long waiting list. Once Tesla releases the $30,000 mass-market car, whose cost of ownership will be favorable to the internal-combustion-engine cars of a similar price range, there will be no lack in demand. Tesla, like Apple, is not interested in the market share. Instead, they are interested in making best products.
Edited by sirozha - 2/21/14 at 7:52am