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Wait, they think that Cook possibly meeting with Musk was about BUYING Tesla? For real?

Do these idiots not know how Apple operates? I would imagine that Apple would have pushed for a strategic partnership, but it's not Apple's style to buy a company as a way of jumpstarting a new product category. That's Google's game.

As if you know how Apple operates?

post #43 of 145

Having had two heart attacks myself, I'd be at the head of the line if Apple came out with a predictor of future heart attacks.

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Doesn't Tesla already use google maps for its navigation software? What sort of "greater integration" are you looking for?

Yes it does use google maps, but it doesn't give multiple route options and doesn't estimate the travel time based on real-time traffic conditions.
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A paper released not long ago (last year, year before - I'd have to search for it again if someone asked for a link) suggested that differential blood pressure, that is, the difference between blood pressure measured in two arms might be a much better predictor of heart condition than measurements made in a single limb. Might be oversimplifying to say, 'the greater the differential, the greater the risk', however, that was probably the thrust of the paper. The idea of using audio is simply fascinating though (to the uninitiated - me lol).

In case it wasn't already posted: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/blood-pressure-should-be-taken-in-both-arms/

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Yes it does use google maps, but it doesn't give multiple route options and doesn't estimate the travel time based on real-time traffic conditions.

I have no issues with Google Maps as a general rule and use on the desktop but I'm not sure I'd be happy with it for my in-car navigation compared to what I've seen from automotive vendors.

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You gotta be f-ing kidding me: "San Francisco Cronical"??? Journalism is dead when the writer can't spell the name of a journalistic enterprise correctly. Sheesh! And shame on AI. The articles are short enough to be thoroughly proofread. And corrected if the typo is caught after posting.
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You gotta be f-ing kidding me: "San Francisco Cronical"??? Journalism is dead when the writer can't spell the name of a journalistic enterprise correctly. Sheesh! And shame on AI. The articles are short enough to be thoroughly proofread. And corrected if the typo is caught after posting.

This is a chronic problem, I must say.

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I could not think of a truly relevant reason why Apple would talk to Tesla. Batteries is a reason why Apple would talk to a Tesla!!

Apple has been in contact with other car manufacturers about iOS integration - the title of the following article is incorrect:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/12/why-bmw-doesnt-plan-to-integrate-apples-ios-in-the-car/

"BMW has contacted Autoblog to clarify its position. The company says it's in close contact with Apple and currently investigating the technical challenges required to integrate iOS in the Car, but since a final decision had not been made, it was not a part of Apple's announcement. Thus, according to BMW, integration of iOS in the Car in its cars has not been ruled out at all."

They already had lots of manufacturers on board for the iPod but Tesla isn't in the list:

https://www.apple.com/ipod/car-integration/

There could be more to it than this but iOS integration is a reason for them to be in contact.
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While the technology advances at Tesla are very interesting, they are never going to be a mass-market producer and the Market expects Apple to be a mass-market producer (for better or worse).   Tesla is more like Next - very high end, very esoteric, very expensive and few bought it.
Tesla fully intends to be a mass market car manufacturer, and they've demonstrated at every moment that they will do it. They started at the top of the market, but their intention is to deliver a mainstream EV in 2017. Those who doubt them continue to be wrong.

That said, cars are not consumer electronics. While there are obvious opportunities for a business partnership, outright ownership makes no sense. Elon Musk is the Edison / Ford of our time. He's not interested in working for anyone else.
post #50 of 145
This must happen! I for one would really really like to see a collaboration between Apple and Tesla. Exciting!
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Originally Posted by focher View Post
Elon Musk is the Edison / Ford of our time.


I’d MUCH rather he be the Tesla/Ford of our time… Edison was a thief. Musk will get us to the Moon.

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I’d MUCH rather he be the Tesla/Ford of our time… Edison was a thief. Musk will get us to the Moon.

To paraphrase Henry Ford, " You can have any engine you want so long as it's electric."

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post #53 of 145

I truly hope that these two star companies (APPLE and TESLA) align and merge someday in the near future. Something very beautiful will come out of it.

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Me too. The union is potentially promising.

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To paraphrase Henry Ford, " You can have any engine you want so long as it's electric."
You can have any hype you want as long as you buy it from me. 1biggrin.gif
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And of course the auto they jointly market will be named the "Juice".  Not only as a colloquialism for electricity, but also as a sweet product of Apple that people can drink up!

And Mophie will sell giant "Juice Packs" to combat range anxiety.

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You gotta be f-ing kidding me: "San Francisco Cronical"??? Journalism is dead when the writer can't spell the name of a journalistic enterprise correctly. Sheesh! And shame on AI. The articles are short enough to be thoroughly proofread. And corrected if the typo is caught after posting.

Fortunately, journalism has disavowed websites that re-post content from other news sources for profit. 1smile.gif

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post #58 of 145

I thought it was funny! :smokey:

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post #59 of 145
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While the technology advances at Tesla are very interesting, they are never going to be a mass-market producer and the Market expects Apple to be a mass-market producer (for better or worse).   Tesla is more like Next - very high end, very esoteric, very expensive and few bought it.

 

I think if Apple bought Tesla, it would sink Apple's stock, in spite of the current hype over Tesla's stock.   (Or maybe I'm just envious because I'm never going to be able to afford a Tesla car and even if I did, have no place to recharge it anyway.)

 

On the other hand, although medical devices are also somewhat of a niche market (depending upon the device), I think that if Apple can get involved in this area in a sophisticated way (more than that accessory you stick into a Nike shoe), that's something that can pull Apple far away from Android and the other competitors.    But it has to be far more than predicting heart attacks because the primary market, relatively young people, don't think they're ever going to have a heart attack.     (A herpes sensor might be a great idea, though!)

 

I'm very interested in anything Tom Holman brings to the table.   I still have a 35 year-old Apt-Holman preamp and it still sounds better than any reasonably priced audio device out there today.   In some ways, it's very Apple-like:   a very sophisticated device that's very easy to use, but with even more flexibility than Apple normally builds into its products.   I'd love to see Holman working on ways to make the audio in Apple's devices sound much better - I think that's an area that's been ignored the last few years and again, it would give Apple a competitive advantage.   And if Apple is working on a television, Holman should design the audio capabilities.  

 

So you don't think higher density batteries and electric vehicles will ever be mass marketed? Just like NeXT, Tesla's technology could be introduced in more mainstream consumer oriented products. (Not just cars either.) Sure, while they make a premium product now, they are already working on a followup SUV more geared for soccer moms. The model S is trailblazer designed to put (and prove) the technology in the hands of early adopters.

 

On the medical devices I somewhat disagree with you.  Apple has proven many times over that it can turn seemingly niche markets into exciting mainstream product categories. If they make it simple enough to use and fairly reliable, you might see them do very well, especially if it can tie into the rest of their iEcosystem.  

 

Even if this doesn't bear fruit, if it is an indication of the direction Apple is heading, I'm excited to see what comes next. 


Edited by Eric Swinson - 2/17/14 at 6:03pm
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I originated the unattributed poems & the "What will your verse be?" speech in the film Dead Poets Society that Apple now uses for it's iPad Air TV commercials. Apple doesn't pay taxes fairly, but the company's ethos adds inestimable value to the American brand, so cities & towns, states and nations bow and pay homage to the genius which is Apple. Even I, seeing my Pavan cum Paen being used to further a product's sales am not offended, rather I am flattered, no more, I am joyful to have contributed the verse. So, Apple, with leadership and imagination, can indeed reach the stars, just as Elon Musk must have begged. Think not of the ground, think of the sky.

Apple put the off key above the delete key, but thoughtfully keeps it on long enough to correct a novice's error. So I thank an engineer/software guy to have done the right thing for me writing here, to keep it for you all. Thanks, Apple.

Apple's success is sweet, and it can become a million times greater than it is now, either by acquisition or by original development. Apple breathes, an organism, stretching out it's wings, testing them, so seek not the ground, seek the heavens.
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Incidentally, recording electrodes with subclinical stimulus electrodes can differentiate between plaque and polar fluids like blood.  The plaques are made up of electrodeposited crystals, lots of them, lots of different ones.  Crystals, (even liquid crystals like the cholesterols in plaque) come out of solution at characteristic temperatures.  98.6 is not one of them, of course.  All the juxtaposed crystals observable on electron microscopy in plaques are electrodeposited because, naturally, that is the only device allowed by physics.  Simpleton physicians (remember, the MD is a bachelor's degree) seem to think that an aggregation of hundreds of different crystals could come about by some biological process, a patent absurdity.  Veins are unaffected by atherosclerosis because they lack innervation, duh.  Turbulence and electrogenic proximity both enhance electrodeposition, too.  Mathematically, the incomplete equation for electrodeposition explains why tall people escape while shorties succumb.  See chapter 10 or 11 in Nicholson B.  Exocrinology the Science of Love.  Amazon.

So for the non-dummies out there, I should have just established my bona fides, eh?

When exposed to a transient electric field, dipoles align.  Released, the dipoles tend to return to their original position, but then they OSCILLATE BACK.  That's a T-wave. Docs have wondered why T waves form since there's no electrical activity in the heart going on at the time.  Well, it's a damped, driven oscillation, which I have described for my cousin's husband who published it for me under his own name, Tom Irvine.  Well, lipids without dipoles don't do that.  They flatline.  Of course, you are going to have to have some means of discrimination because you are going to have such diversity that learning will need to take place, so many electrodes may be necessary.  Sound?  It's help, but you'll need both.  No problem.  Nothing's cheaper than programmable low voltage electrode arrays.  You may have to account for many other variables, maybe not.  It all depends. It's doable, but you will probably need somebody like me, which you don't have right now.  Gimme a call.

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Like this linked story says, Apple's interest in Tesla probably has more to do with their batteries than Apple wanting to buy Tesla: http://electrek.co/2014/01/15/elon-musk-confirms-tesla-gigafactory-battery-plant-to-be-built-in-us-with-partners-announcement-next-month/

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post #63 of 145
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Incidentally, recording electrodes with subclinical stimulus electrodes can differentiate between plaque and polar fluids like blood...

Did you intend to write subclinical or did you intend subcutaneous?

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Did you intend to write subclinical or did you intend subcutaneous?

While waiting for an answer, i'd offer that he was autocorrected from subcuticle.

Anyway, an interesting line of thought. The commoditization of biosensing will be a very big deal.

I'd hate to see Apple go into the car business, unless it involved some radical rethink of personal transportation. The Tesla is laudable in its power system, but still imperious and unsustainable, like all cars have become. Not human or nature scaled, in other words. Too complex and heavy.

It's now possible to make safe cars that are light in weight. If Apple is going to keep their focus, they're going to have revolutionize any business they step into.
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Wow, I had no idea.

I've always had this wet dream of Elon Musk running Apple. Can you imagine? Holy Shit!!! Elon Musk is currently the one person most like Steve Jobs in the world. In fact IMO he's the one great industrialist that can compare. So if they bought Tesla they'd have two options: Lose him, or make him CEO. Tesla without Musk would make no sense so...
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Wow, I had no idea.

I've always had this wet dream of Elon Musk running Apple. Can you imagine? Holy Shit!!! Elon Musk is currently the one person most like Steve Jobs in the world. In fact IMO he's the one great industrialist that can compare. So if they bought Tesla they'd have two options: Lose him, or make him CEO. Tesla without Musk would make no sense so...

I'd much rather Musk stay where he is to do what he does best solving very big problems. Without him on board at both Tesla and SpaceX, the ultimate goal of colonizing Mars is dealt a severe blow. As Musk has already publicly stated he fully plans to be part of the next frontier and his companies are the manifestation of that tantalizing goal.

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There were at least three Teslas parked in the employee area of Apple's smallish parking lot in front of 1 Infinite Loop last summer. I am sure there must have been many more.

Despite its Android-based UI, there are clearly some Apple employees -- I am guessing senior management, since those seemed like prime parking slots -- that like the car.

 

Parking at Apple is not reserved - i.e., higher ups get better parking. Its first come first serve.

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My opinion is that their meeting may have centered on batteries.

The Tesla uses the same type of battereis that we find in Apple devices.

In order to significant lower the cost of them, Musk already said that Tesla would probably build its own manufacturing plant for them. Now imagine that he could get Apple to partner on this endeavor (such as GT for sapphire) in order to have a very high production right from start to help utilize better the production capacity and reduce the batteries costs.

The 2 companies could even cooperate in order to improve the efficiency and capacity of them, before the plant starts de production, meaning exclusive technology that Tesla uses just for autos and Apple for computers, telecommunications and whereables, with no copycats possible without major lawsuits.

At least is what I would do.

Great points. Considering all the effort Apple has poured into creating it's own tech for processors, aluminum frames, metal alloys and screens, it's a very logical progression for custom battery technology to be their next challenge.
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In case it wasn't already posted: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/blood-pressure-should-be-taken-in-both-arms/
I have no issues with Google Maps as a general rule and use on the desktop but I'm not sure I'd be happy with it for my in-car navigation compared to what I've seen from automotive vendors.

The Model S uses google maps on the dashboard and standard in car navigation on the heads up display. I actually prefer Apple Maps and Google Maps style of turn by turn directions over any automotive vendor solutions I've seen. What cars have you seen that have nav features better than google maps?
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The Model S uses google maps on the dashboard and standard in car navigation on the heads up display. I actually prefer Apple Maps and Google Maps style of turn by turn directions over any automotive vendor solutions I've seen. What cars have you seen that have nav features better than google maps?

Most in-car navigation systems work completely offline. Their entire POI database is stored in the car and does not require an internet connection to access. The same thing cannot be said for Apple or Google maps.

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The Model S uses google maps on the dashboard and standard in car navigation on the heads up display. I actually prefer Apple Maps and Google Maps style of turn by turn directions over any automotive vendor solutions I've seen. What cars have you seen that have nav features better than google maps?

They all have tthe off-line feature that d4NjvRzf mentions but are also geared toward always having a destination in mind, which includes PoI along a route, whereas Apple's Maps and Google Maps want to default to simply showing you a location and require too many extra steps to make it a destination. As for PoI routes, I don't think I've used a stand-alone TomTom an in-car navigation that tried to find me PoI along a route that gave me points that were many miles behind me simply because it was the closest geographically, but this seems to be the case with, at least, Apple's Maps.

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Most in-car navigation systems work completely offline. Their entire POI database is stored in the car and does not require an internet connection to access. The same thing cannot be said for Apple or Google maps.

That is an issue but at least once you set the trip, at least with Apple's Maps, it will then store all the presumed data so you could be offline and still get to your destination. If you veer off course the map will go blank but the GPS will still plot your location in relation to the map you jut left.

Can Apple or Google ever have a great product if they don't allow for at least regional mapping to be stored locally?

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Wow, I had no idea.

I've always had this wet dream of Elon Musk running Apple. Can you imagine? Holy Shit!!! Elon Musk is currently the one person most like Steve Jobs in the world. In fact IMO he's the one great industrialist that can compare. So if they bought Tesla they'd have two options: Lose him, or make him CEO. Tesla without Musk would make no sense so...

No. Because PayPal.

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No. Because PayPal.

If Tesla was run like PayPal there would be a 2.9% fee for charging your car (unless you were at a friend or family member's place) and once you did charge your vehicle you still couldn't drive it for 5 more business days. (This is a work in progress)



PS: So many celebrities have their own fragrance, including George Takei's wonderfully named Eau My, but not Elon Musk?
Edited by SolipsismX - 2/17/14 at 9:07am

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Hmm...An interesting development.
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Apple buying Tesla isn't the dumbest idea possible, but very close.

Making cars is about as far from their core competencies as you can get. There are no "synergies" between the companies, they are tech companies heavily involved in batteries but spending $8B (a year ago) or $30B (today) to get some advice on batteries from Elon Musk is beyond dumb.

This is the kind of stuff that bad analysts like Adnaan Ahmad think up without any clue on actually how to run a business successfully. They are obsessed with "growth" without purpose. Apple can generate a very high return for shareholders with only minor growth, they are generating almost 10% in net cash flow on their market cap already, growing sales 5% a year and reinvesting that cash flow well (either in dividends, buybacks or new products) means Apple's value can grow at a 15% rate for decades. BUT ONLY IF they aren't distracted by poorly thought out acquisitions, and focus on their core markets.

A Tesla acquisition is the kind of dumb thing that Google does. Buy Motorola for far too much, claim it was for patents, find out patents aren't very valuable, say it was to build better phones, the phones aren't very good, take a huge loss. Now they massively overpay for Nest which has cool products and smart people but early zero natural fit with their business, and they'll justify it by some wild assed ideas to use Nest private customer data in their other businesses, and when that becomes public knowledge it will get either blocked by congress or it will kill Nests business as customers run away.

Even if buying Tesla was a good idea, Tesla is Elon Musk, you can't buy the company because he will be able to walk away and focus on building Falcon rockets with more billions.

What's wrong with making the best PCs, Tablets & Phones for the next decade? It's a very hard thing to do, taking Apple's ability to stay on top in those businesses for granted so they can defocus on new businesses a very bad idea.

A Tesla acquisition is Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
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Sorry, subclinical is only an approximate usage, mea culpa.  Basically, it's shorthand for a stimulus that's not consciously considered.  Very low voltages can "shock" locally, but not be felt by the brain as they're below the threshold for CNS reception, sorta.  So you can have electrodes that alternately shock and record without the user knowing about it.  

I'm very, very, very, very smart, but my language skills have a lot to be desired.  Again, please accept my apology.

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I do agree.  I own an electrified Quest velomobile from velomobiel.nl, but it is laborious to own if you are not in tip top shape like me.  

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This thread is a weird amalgam of two completely unrelated topics: one about Elon Musk, the other about heart attacks.

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This thread is a weird amalgam of two completely unrelated topics: one about Elon Musk, the other about heart attacks.

Yet, it's not atypical for AppleInsider.

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I really don't care what Apples multiple is, I care that they are still willing to develop the products of the future. Until proven otherwise I see iWatch as misstep in moving the computing world forward.
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WORKING CLOSELY WITH MUSK =

GOAL TO PREVENT OR QUICKLY ADDRESS HEART ATTACKS

THIS IS A M A Z I N G DIRECTION - JOBS WOULD BE PROUD

MOST IMPORTANTLY - APPLE IS ON THE CUTTING EDGE CLEARLY - ALL OF THE "JUNK" COPYCATS ARE TOAST

APPLE DESERVES A MULTIPLE OF ABOUT 17 BASED ON THE INNOVATION AND PRODUCTS FORTHCOMING - FUTURE MUCH MORE VISIBLE - I EXPECT THAT WE WILL MOVE TO 15 MULTIPLE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS THE "REPORTERS" CATCH UP TO WHAT WE SEE NOW

The only multiples worth caring about are the ones you leave your girl friend with.
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