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Apple and Samsung fail to reach settlement agreement ahead of patent trial, still willing to talk

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In a court document jointly filed to the District Court for the Northern District of California late Friday, Apple and Samsung reported mediation talks had failed, but noted both parties are willing to continue discussions ahead of a patent trial scheduled to begin at the end of March.

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According to the filing, the parties sent high-level executives to a "full-day negotiation session" during the first week of February, but failed to reach an agreement over what will be the companies' second high-profile patent trial in California.

As reported in January, Apple and Samsung had agreed to settlement talks at the behest of presiding Judge Lucy Koh.

In attendance for Apple were CEO Tim Cook, SVP and General Counsel Bruce Sewell, VP and Chief Litigation Counsel Noreen Krall and VP and Chief IP Counsel BJ Watrous. Samsung sent CEO of IT and Mobile Communications JK Shin, Head of IP Dr. Seung-Ho Ahn, VP and Head of U.S. IP Ken Korea, Executive VP and CFO of Mobile Communications HK Park, SVP and Head of Licensing Injung Lee and VP and Head of Licensing for Mobile Communications James Kwak.

The filing notes that representatives from both sides had spoken with a neutral mediator multiple times since the initial session in a bid to advance settlement efforts. Apple is reported to have held teleconference calls more than six times, while Samsung made similar efforts more than four times.

Apple and Samsung held identical last-minute settlement negotiations before the first Apple v. Samsung jury trial in 2012. The outcome was similar to that of the recent discussions.

While an amicable settlement could not be reached, the parties remain willing to continue talks through the mediator as a second two-way California patent trial approaches. Apple is asserting five patents against ten Samsung products, while the Korean tech giant is asserting four claims against ten Apple products. Proceedings are set to begin on Mar. 31.

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Apple wants a anti-cloning clause and Samsung refuses...Cloning is samsungs cash cow.
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Just use that cash hoard to obliterate scamsuck, please. In memory of Steve. Just do it already.
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Samsung failed to reach an agreement with Apple in an attempt to look legit.

Apple failed to reach an agreement with Samsung because they don't have to.
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Once again, when given the option to go the high or the low road, Samsung chooses the low road.
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Apple   2013-Q1 $57.6 billion revenue, $13.1 billion net profit, 51 mill.iPhones, 26 mill.iPads, 4.8 million Macs Sold 

        2012-Q1 $54.5 billion revenue, $13.1 billion net profit, 47.8 mill.iPhones, 22.9 mill.iPads, 4.1 million Macs Sold      
         
Samsung 2013-Q4 $54.95 billion revenue, $7.7 billion net profit, Lamps, CassettePhones, CDPlayers, Flashlights, SmartDildos,

        2012-Q4 $52.04 billion revenue, $8.27 billion net profit, Non-Smartphones, Smartphones, Phablets, Non-SmartTV's

Google  2013-Q4 $16.86 billion revenue, $3.38 billion billion net profit, 

        2012-Q4 $14.4 billion revenue, $2.89 billion net profit 

 

Samsung why din't you accept the deal? if Apple tells you to dance.. you dance!

 

 

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Just use that cash hoard to obliterate scamsuck, please. In memory of Steve. Just do it already.

Apple should use their $140,000,000,000.00 to sue Google.  They can't let Google get away with stealing Android from Apple.  Android is a stolen OS.

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Apple should use their $140,000,000,000.00 to sue Google.  They can't let Google get away with stealing Android from Apple.  Android is a stolen OS.

I didn't know Apple made Android.
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I didn't know Apple made Android.

 

thats not what the post you quoted implied... android was changed to be just like iOS. Don't even fucking try to deny it

android sucks, but not as much as the people who come here to defend it.

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android sucks, but not as much as the people who come here to defend it.

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Apple wants a anti-cloning clause and Samsung refuses...Cloning is samsungs cash cow.

no doubt. I have said it before. Samscum has NEVER EVER introduced anything to the world that wasn't a "me too' product. They suck too much to create or innovate.

Toaster----been done

Fridge---done

vacuum cleaner---done

phones---done

Face it Samscum-you suck and always will.

android sucks, but not as much as the people who come here to defend it.

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Apple should use their $140,000,000,000.00 to sue Google.  They can't let Google get away with stealing Android from Apple.  Android is a stolen OS.

Andy Rubin prefers to think Apple didn't invent anything, ever, therefore, he is free to "not gonna ship that phone" and ship a shallow copy of the first iPhone, minus the concessions they made to placate a furious Steve Jobs.

Oh Andy Andy.

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thats not what the post you quoted implied... android was changed to be just like iOS. Don't even fucking try to deny it

Watch your mouth, there's no need for that language. If one's writing can be misconstrued then it was written wrong. The OP should have written 'stole the idea for Android', that's a big difference from what he/she wrote.
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Apple: stop cloning our products
Sammy: what if we clone half of them
Apple: no cloning
Sammy: what about just a qtr of...
Apple: no
Sammy: no deal!
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Watch your mouth, there's no need for that language. If one's writing can be misconstrued then it was written wrong. The OP should have written 'stole the idea for Android', that's a big difference from what he/she wrote.

 

Android is a stolen OS, and I hoe that Apple spends every penny it has in the bank to right this wrong by suing Google into submission.

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take a deep breath say **** Samsung and then release it, you will feel so much better

 

Part of Steve Jobs’ meditation ritual every morning.

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Android is a stolen OS, and I hoe that Apple spends every penny it has in the bank to right this wrong by suing Google into submission.

 

Why would you want them to spend all their money? Surely you'd want them to spend nothing but bring a lawsuit which is undefeatable.

 

Regardless, nobody seems to want to list things Google stole other than pinch to zoom and slide to unlock. I think Apple lost the patent on one of those but then that was also overturned? I haven't kept up with that news but if there's more on the 'stolen list' then please do let me know.

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Android is a stolen OS, and I hoe that Apple spends every penny it has in the bank to right this wrong by suing Google into submission.

In order for it to be a 'stolen OS' all the code would need to be exactly the same. What could be considered stolen was the 'idea' for a touchscreen OS especially since Android was well into being developed for devices with a physical keyboard.
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thats not what the post you quoted implied... android was changed to be just like iOS. Don't even fucking try to deny it

Watch your mouth, there's no need for that language. If one's writing can be misconstrued then it was written wrong. The OP should have written 'stole the idea for Android', that's a big difference from what he/she wrote.

Hmmm... Someone appointed you as an Ombudsman!?
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Hmmm... Someone appointed you as an Ombudsman!?

See there's a ton of hypocrisy here, if I was to say "Apple stole Xerox's UI" there wouldn't be a shortage of people to correct me. For me what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong regardless if it's pro this or pro that. If you want to allow posters to spread falsehoods that's on you but I'll correct them unless they're being a obvious troll.
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See there's a ton of hypocrisy here, if I was to say "Apple stole Xerox's UI" there wouldn't be a shortage of people to correct me. For me what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong regardless if it's pro this or pro that. If you want to allow posters to spread falsehoods that's on you but I'll correct them unless they're being a obvious troll.

It's just semantics, not hypocrisy. It's like when someone says pirated software is stolen rather than copied. Stolen isn't the right word to use as it doesn't remove the original version and there's ambiguity over it being a lost sale but people use it to emphasize the guilt the offending party should feel over their actions. When people try to encourage the use of milder terms to diminish the guilt then it's suspect.

Apple hired Xerox employees and they made a commercial success of their version of the OS where Xerox didn't and they built unique hardware. Xerox had their opportunity to profit from their version and failed.
Apple made unique mobile hardware and software and was commercially successful and after that success, were copied by Samsung and Google. Apple didn't invite them to copy it, Samsung and Google didn't hire the staff at Apple to implement similar designs and improve on them, they improved largely nothing at all.

The sales they are stealing from Apple are similarly ambiguous because many of the lower-end buyers wouldn't have bought an Apple product anyway. It doesn't really matter if it's not semantically correct to say what they did is stealing, that word is used to make the companies and their supporters feel guilty for their actions and it will continue to be used for as long as their guilt needs to be highlighted. People use words to convey meaning, if they use what you think are the wrong words then it's because the words they are supposed to be using don't convey their intended meaning. 'Stealing ideas' and 'copying' are not harsh enough terms and don't convey any sense that they result in a lost sale. It makes it sound as though they took a little idea here and there when in fact they set out to replicate the entire product down to the packaging and peripherals. The fact that Google even had to tell Samsung to ease up on it shows how far they went:

http://allthingsd.com/20120725/apple-google-warned-samsung-against-copying-us/

"In February 2010, Google told Samsung that Samsung’s “P1” and “P3” tablets (Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1) were “too similar” to the iPad and demanded “distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3.”
In 2011, Samsung’s own Product Design Group noted that it is “regrettable” that the Galaxy S “looks similar” to older iPhone models.
As part of a formal, Samsung-sponsored evaluation, famous designers warned Samsung that the Galaxy S “looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that “innovation is needed.” The designers explained that the appearance of the Galaxy S “[c]losely resembles the iPhone shape so as to have no distinguishable elements,” and “[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone.”"
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I didn't know Apple made Android.
Cut the crap. You knew exactly what was meant by their post, just like any reasonable person would. You're just up to your usual trolling.
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Thermonuclear Samscum
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Part of Steve Jobs’ meditation ritual every morning.

Nice lol! but probably true

 

 

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I wish Steve were still alive for these mediation sessions so we could hear stories of him throwing chairs at Samsung's faces.
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