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Korean electronics giant Samsung on Saturday unveiled the second generation of its Gear smartwatch line, updating the wrist-worn device's industrial design and moving from Google's Android to the Samsung-backed Tizen operating system.

Gear 2


Samsung made the Gear 2 slightly thinner than its predecessor and relocated its camera from the strap to the watch's main body, giving users the option of changing straps. A second model, the Galaxy Gear Neo, is mostly identical but does not feature a camera.

In addition, the Gear 2 and Gear 2 Neo add built-in heart rate sensors alongside a pedometer, features Apple is rumored to include in its so-called "iWatch." Samsung promises real-time feedback "allowing users to develop a customizable fitness routine and monitor their heart rate in order to improve their overall well-being."

Both Samsung wearables sport 1.63-inch Super AMOLED displays and are powered by 1-gigahertz dual-core processors with 512 megabytes of RAM and 4 gigabytes of internal memory. Battery life from the 300 mAh lithium ion battery is said to be 2 to 3 days.

Gear 2


There is no word on why Samsung chose to eschew Android, though there have been reports that relations between Google and its largest OEM partners are strained. Along with the change to Tizen -- the development of which is guided jointly by Samsung and Intel -- Samsung has added several first-party applications including a standalone music player and television remote control.

As before, the Gear line will only connect to Samsung's own handsets. The company said they are "compatible with more than dozens of Samsung Galaxy smartphones at launch."

Samsung indicated that the Gear 2 and Gear 2 Neo will be available starting in April, though pricing has not yet been revealed. Consumers will be able to purchase the watches in a variety of colors, including Charcoal Black, Gold Brown and Wild Orange for the Gear 2 and Charcoal Black, Mocha Grey and Wild Orange for Gear 2 Neo.
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Lately, it seems that AI is slow to cover breaking stories such as this.

Some stories are not even covered at all -- for example the recent Google Tango project.

Tango is a smart phone and SDK with interior 3D mapping/navigation capability -- it could be a major breakthrough ...

Yet no mention by AI.

Edit: as I write this, ARS has more than a four hour lead, with 30 posts, before this AI article hit the Web.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/samsung-replaces-the-galaxy-gear-with-a-pair-of-tizen-powered-smartwatches/
Edited by Dick Applebaum - 2/23/14 at 1:33am
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A camera ! ridiculous !

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A camera ! ridiculous !

Actually, because of the form factor, a watch could have a better camera optics than a smart phone -- enclosed in the length of the watch body versus the thickness of a smart phone.
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Uh? That'll be because it's not an Apple product and the fact that the original was a massive flop, who cares about it's second revision. 

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I will remember this day as a turning point for both android and samsung. If samsung starts to do its own thing, android will lose market share and developers. Samsung has to find new developers first, but it will finally be measurable how many tizen activations there will be and therefore real market share numbers. Also this will fragmentate the market further and i guess not all android partners like retailers will jump on the tizen train directly.
Will be interesting to see how samsung manages it
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Uh? That'll be because it's not an Apple product and the fact that the original was a massive flop, who cares about it's second revision. 

The Sammy watch is of interest to many here, because it is potentially a competitor to an Apple product ...

On several occasions, Tim has stated that Apple is quite interested in "wearables".

As an Apple customer and aapl shareholder, I, for one, care very much about activity in this space ...

Including things like this:

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Actually, because of the form factor, a watch could have a better camera optics than a smart phone -- enclosed in the length of the watch body versus the thickness of a smart phone.

 

 

I do not think it is a spec sheet issue ....

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I will remember this day as a turning point for both android and samsung. If samsung starts to do its own thing, android will lose market share and developers. Samsung has to find new developers first, but it will finally be measurable how many tizen activations there will be and therefore real market share numbers. Also this will fragmentate the market further and i guess not all android partners like retailers will jump on the tizen train directly.
Will be interesting to see how samsung manages it

Google cannot let that happen ...

Sammy can readily make it happen
  • run android apps on tizen
  • marketing dollars to developers
  • marketing dollars to carriers
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Actually, because of the form factor, a watch could have a better camera optics than a smart phone -- enclosed in the length of the watch body versus the thickness of a smart phone.


I do not think it is a spec sheet issue ....
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I agree ... It is a usability issue. When taking pictures or videos -- the small size, wrist-stability, and potential for optical zoom, make it much more practical than shoving a big, honking camera in someone's face ...

Selfies might be a little awkward, though ...
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post #11 of 162
So ugly
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It is one unattractive piece of crap to wear.It is a joke to purchase this item.

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I'm actually starting to get concerned about the battery life of all those wearables.

 

It is already annoying having to charge the phone and tablet on a daily basis. Last thing I need is having to charge glasses and watches as well. What a mess that'd be. :)

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A dual core 1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM in a watch! That's pretty cool from a tech specs perspective. Hasn't DED (author on this site) been predicting Samsung might move to Tizen? So what is the future - iOS vs Tizen vs Windows Phone (and Android a mere appliance OS for very very cheap phones?)

 

I think Google has a problem - in order to get a lot of the benefits Apple gets from controlling the whole ecosystem, Google has to impose a lot of controls on their Android customers: insist that they include this or don't include that. But the more they do that, the more likely bigger customers are likely to chafe.


Edited by ascii - 2/23/14 at 4:05am
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All that SameDung does is copy everything from Apple.  I for one am sick of it.  Apple cannot be the R and D lab for an entire industry!

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A dual core 1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM in a watch! That's pretty cool from a tech specs perspective. Hasn't DED (author on this site) been predicting Samsung might move to Tizen? So what is the future - iOS vs Tizen vs Windows Phone (and Android a mere appliance OS for very very cheap phones?)

I think Google has a problem - in order to get a lot of the benefits Apple gets from controlling the whole ecosystem, Google has to impose a lot of controls on their Android customers: insist that they include this or don't include that. But the more they do that, the more likely bigger customers are likely to chafe.

Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.
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All that SameDung does is copy everything from Apple.  I for one am sick of it.  Apple cannot be the R and D lab for an entire industry!
Yes because Apple has a "smart watch" on the market right now that looks and functions similar to this. 1oyvey.gif
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Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.

Radical idea. Those customers probably want a properly curated App Store they can trust, and Apple has a trusted name. But couldn't Samsung make Tizen refuse to run any app that wasn't signed by Samsung? Or maybe you were being tongue in cheek.

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Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.

Do not let Woz read that remark! He will state it then claim to have been misquoted.
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One day, Samsung will realize it does not want to do the market research for Apple.  

 

Introduce a new product or a new feature just because a competitor is rumored to be doing something is just ridiculous 

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It is one unattractive piece of crap to wear.It is a joke to purchase this item.

I agree, but you can bet that Samsung will claim it shipped 1.6 million Gear watches three two months after releasing the watches. No sales figures will be released though.

EDIT...
Changed three to two to match last year's knee jerk reaction to the press calling the Galaxy Gear a failure.

Here are links to last year's 800,000 shipment articles...

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/28/samsung-adds-galaxy-gear-support-to-more-phones-but-faces-high-return-rate-at-best-buy

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/18/samsung-galaxy-gear-smart-watch-flops-with-just-50000-units-sold---report

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/19/samsung-announces-800k-galaxy-gear-smartwatches-sold-since-launch

This link is for Google's supposed watch...

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/29/google-reportedly-enters-home-stretch-of-smartwatch-development-launch-within-months
Edited by leavingthebigG - 2/23/14 at 4:52am
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It is one unattractive piece of crap to wear.It is a joke to purchase this item.

I agree and don't think it will sell well outside of tech people. But it is technically impressive, the specs are higher than the original iPhone. And that means there is a slight danger in that if someone could come up with a way to get a really insanely great usable GUI on that little screen, and put an LTE chip in there, some people might start replacing their cellphones with them. Maybe just a few at first, but the GUI would be really hard to get right.

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Actually, because of the form factor, a watch could have a better camera optics than a smart phone -- enclosed in the length of the watch body versus the thickness of a smart phone.

I find the idea of a camera in a watch bizarre and ridiculous. It sounds exotic, like a spy gadget, but the reality of trying to use it?

Samsung is flailing in the dark with these updates. The design is so chunky and outdated. A black and white screen!

I'm not at all convinced that Apple are going to bring out a smartwatch or some such thing. I hope they do, though. I think they would need two sizes for men and women. The hiring of Angela wotshername might have been a nod to the fashion element of a watch.

But Tim Cook himself said that not many young people wear watches these days. A bracelet? Can't see too many guys wearing them. Maybe it'll be something integrated into wireless headphones—Apple like to combine things.

Cook has teased that it's a ring; it would be quite funny if it were!
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All that SameDung does is copy everything from Apple.  I for one am sick of it.  Apple cannot be the R and D lab for an entire industry!


That's because they aren't. Do you honestly really think that smartwatches are something new? Have you even looked around in the tech world outside of Apple? There where even smartwatches back in the late '90s early '00s that ran Palm OS, like the 'Fossil wrist PDA', and Samsung launched there first smartwatch in 2009 (the S9110 watch phone). Back at CES 2012 it was already said to become to next battleground, and by then rumors of an iWatch didn't even take off yet.

 

And Toshiba showed at CES 2013 (before the health centered iWatch rumors, those only started around July 2013) a prototype smartwatch with heart-rate sensor that could even identify you on that basis. Toshiba's goal was to bridge both trends, smartwatch and fitness tracker. Sound familiar? It's called following trends (just like Apple is doing according to the rumors), and also has to do with similar technology being developed at the same time when technology is ready for it (a little bit like 'convergent evolution' in biology). There is no doubt that Apple contributes to the R&D in the industry but to say they are the only one in beyond ridiculous.


Edited by Chipsy - 2/23/14 at 5:43am
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Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.

Maybe hell should freeze over.
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When Samsung does this to their phone range then Google may be extremely f*cked.
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Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.
Radical idea. Those customers probably want a properly curated App Store they can trust, and Apple has a trusted name. But couldn't Samsung make Tizen refuse to run any app that wasn't signed by Samsung? Or maybe you were being tongue in cheek.

Not really tongue in cheek ... maybe foot in mouth, o loco en la cabeza 1confused.gif


But, just thinking back a few years -- Apple had this mp3 player and an ecosystem of content in iTunes. Both were doing OK! But the big breakthrough was in October 2003:
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Apple Launches iTunes for Windows

Second Generation Online Music Store Available Today for Mac & Windows Users

SAN FRANCISCO—October 16, 2003—Apple® today launched the second generation of its revolutionary iTunes® Music Store for both Mac® and Windows users. The new iTunes Music Store offers Windows users the same online music store that Mac users love—with the same music catalog, the same personal use rights and the same 99 cents-per-song pricing. Since its launch six months ago, music fans have purchased and downloaded more than 13 million songs from the iTunes Music Store, making it the number one download music service in the world. With music from all five major music companies and over 200 independent music labels, the iTunes Music Store catalog is growing every day and will offer more than 400,000 songs by the end of October.

“The iTunes Music Store has revolutionized the way people legally buy music online, and now it’s available to tens of millions more music lovers with iTunes for Windows,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “While our competitors haven't even come close to matching our first generation, we’re already releasing the second generation of the iTunes Music Store for Mac and Windows.”Store for Mac and Windows.”


That move, opening up the iTunes ecosystem to Windows, was responsible for a tremendous increase of sales of iPods and iTunes content. And, to a lessor extent, it exposed WinTel users to the quality of Macs, the Mac OS and ecosystem.


Certainly, Apple is in different businesses today ... but it makes me wonder what would happen if Apple offered a better ecosystem for competitive platforms -- while, at the same time, exposed them to the superior advantages to a total Apple solution.


One of the potential businesses that Apple could enter is general "purchasing and payment" through the iTunes Market™.


Projecting how big this could be -- why not welcome all comers?
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So ugly


It looks like pretty much any watch

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SOT:

Lately, it seems that AI is slow to cover breaking stories such as this.

Some stories are not even covered at all -- for example the recent Google Tango project.

Tango is a smart phone and SDK with interior 3D mapping/navigation capability -- it could be a major breakthrough ...

Yet no mention by AI.

Edit: as I write this, ARS has more than a four hour lead, with 30 posts, before this AI article hit the Web.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/samsung-replaces-the-galaxy-gear-with-a-pair-of-tizen-powered-smartwatches/

iMore was quicker than ARS by about 2+ hours ;)

 

http://www.imore.com/samsung-announces-new-gear-2-smartwatches-world-still-waiting-apple-announce-one

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Cook has teased that it's a ring; it would be quite funny if it were!

Well, there is a slightly related patent on an Apple designed ring:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/02/20/apples-smart-magnet-tech-could-spawn-new-classes-of-ipad-accessories

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I will remember this day as a turning point for both android and samsung. If samsung starts to do its own thing, android will lose market share and developers. Samsung has to find new developers first, but it will finally be measurable how many tizen activations there will be and therefore real market share numbers. Also this will fragmentate the market further and i guess not all android partners like retailers will jump on the tizen train directly.
Will be interesting to see how samsung manages it

"Fragmentate"?

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SOT:

Lately, it seems that AI is slow to cover breaking stories such as this.

Some stories are not even covered at all -- for example the recent Google Tango project.

Tango is a smart phone and SDK with interior 3D mapping/navigation capability -- it could be a major breakthrough ...

Yet no mention by AI.

Edit: as I write this, ARS has more than a four hour lead, with 30 posts, before this AI article hit the Web.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/samsung-replaces-the-galaxy-gear-with-a-pair-of-tizen-powered-smartwatches/

Count backward from the first appearance of this story on The Verge. How long does it take to reinterpret and rewrite the work of another author, ofttimes leaving out critical details only the original writer would understand were critical to the story?

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post #33 of 162
Imagine what would people say if Apple released a product, then stopped its production five months later for a new one, and stopped providing updates.
I'm actually a little sad for those few first Gear buyers.
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I will remember this day as a turning point for both android and samsung. If samsung starts to do its own thing, android will lose market share and developers. Samsung has to find new developers first, but it will finally be measurable how many tizen activations there will be and therefore real market share numbers. Also this will fragmentate the market further and i guess not all android partners like retailers will jump on the tizen train directly.
Will be interesting to see how samsung manages it

Delusional. Samsung is only 'good' at copying. They don't have the means to develop something competitive with the PlayStore or AppStore. They can't support developers as Google does, update their OS as Google does. They don't have the level of service Google has. Anyone who thinks they can needs a reality check. Samsung is nothing without Google.
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Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.
Are there any Android apps not already in the App Store that people would want (or would be useful with an iOS device)?
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Not really tongue in cheek ... maybe foot in mouth, o loco en la cabeza 1confused.gif


But, just thinking back a few years -- Apple had this mp3 player and an ecosystem of content in iTunes. Both were doing OK! But the big breakthrough was in October 2003:
That move, opening up the iTunes ecosystem to Windows, was responsible for a tremendous increase of sales of iPods and iTunes content. And, to a lessor extent, it exposed WinTel users to the quality of Macs, the Mac OS and ecosystem.


Certainly, Apple is in different businesses today ... but it makes me wonder what would happen if Apple offered a better ecosystem for competitive platforms -- while, at the same time, exposed them to the superior advantages to a total Apple solution.


One of the potential businesses that Apple could enter is general "purchasing and payment" through the iTunes Market™.


Projecting how big this could be -- why not welcome all comers?

Aren't even capable of analyzing your own comment.
Apple put iTunes on Windows > pushed people to buy iPods.
Apple puts Android apps in the iTunes Store > what do they gain exactly?

You all need to get back to Earth. This is the stupidest idea I've heard this month.
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When Samsung does this to their phone range then Google may be extremely f*cked.

Fortunately for them, they get most their mobile advertising revenue from iOS anyway.
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Maybe Apple should start selling Android and Tizen apps through the iTunes Store.
Are there any Android apps not already in the App Store that people would want (or would be useful with an iOS device)?

IDK.* My point was that maybe Apple should consider selling apps for competitive platforms, e.g. Android Apps for Android devices.

If there are Android apps that are N/A on iDevices, this might influence the developers to develop for iOS too.

* I suspect that there are quite a few Android apps that use capabilities on Android devices that would not be allowed on a similar iOS app. From what I understand, except for Google's family jewels, anything goes on Android -- kinda' semi-Jailbroken.
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If there are Android apps that are N/A on iDevices, this might influence the developers to develop for iOS too.

Yes, because there clearly are so many major apps on that situation. not.

And anyway, I don't see why an Android-only developer might be influenced to develop for iOS because Apple makes Android apps. Doesn't make any sense.
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Not really tongue in cheek ... maybe foot in mouth, o loco en la cabeza 1confused.gif


But, just thinking back a few years -- Apple had this mp3 player and an ecosystem of content in iTunes. Both were doing OK! But the big breakthrough was in October 2003:
That move, opening up the iTunes ecosystem to Windows, was responsible for a tremendous increase of sales of iPods and iTunes content. And, to a lessor extent, it exposed WinTel users to the quality of Macs, the Mac OS and ecosystem.


Certainly, Apple is in different businesses today ... but it makes me wonder what would happen if Apple offered a better ecosystem for competitive platforms -- while, at the same time, exposed them to the superior advantages to a total Apple solution.


One of the potential businesses that Apple could enter is general "purchasing and payment" through the iTunes Market™.


Projecting how big this could be -- why not welcome all comers?

Aren't even capable of analyzing your own comment.
Apple put iTunes on Windows > pushed people to buy iPods.
Apple puts Android apps in the iTunes Store > what do they gain exactly?

You all need to get back to Earth. This is the stupidest idea I've heard this month.


Um... What does Apple [currently] sell [at a good profit] in the iTunes Store? Answer content: movies, TV shows, Books, Apps. What are Apps? Answer: Content!








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On a yearly basis iTunes/Software/Services is nearly half of Google’s core business and growing slightly faster.

The iTunes “empire” of content and services would be ranked as number 130 in the Fortune 500 ranking of companies (slightly below Alcoa and above Eli Lilly).

http://www.asymco.com/2014/02/10/fortune-130/


You might try to think more broadly than the world as we know it ... Who can say what the next big Tech opportunity will be.

Apple has shown that there is good profit to be made in sales of digital content ... what other types of sales might offer good potential profits? Eh?
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