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Lately, it seems that AI is slow to cover breaking stories such as this.

Some stories are not even covered at all -- for example the recent Google Tango project.

Tango is a smart phone and SDK with interior 3D mapping/navigation capability -- it could be a major breakthrough ...

Yet no mention by AI.

Edit: as I write this, ARS has more than a four hour lead, with 30 posts, before this AI article hit the Web.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/samsung-replaces-the-galaxy-gear-with-a-pair-of-tizen-powered-smartwatches/

Yeah I read about it at Ars first, too. AppleInsider's "news desk" consists of an inbox full of spam and press releases from analysts touting their latest predictions, and a few submissions from readers. In the past, every time I submitted news, they just ignored it, or posted the story hours later without attribution. So I gave up trying to help them.

I wouldn't rely on this site for news anyway. It's just a collector of stories from elsewhere, with the occasional review or rant (sorry, editorial) from DED. 1smile.gif

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That when you see a new Apple product you should embrace it and never let it go!


Well I haven't seen the iWatch yet so.......

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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post

It is one unattractive piece of crap to wear.It is a joke to purchase this item.

I saw someone wearing one of the first gen Galaxy Gear. It makes thick nerd glasses and a propeller beanie look less nerdy.

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I will remember this day as a turning point for both android and samsung. If samsung starts to do its own thing, android will lose market share and developers. Samsung has to find new developers first, but it will finally be measurable how many tizen activations there will be and therefore real market share numbers. Also this will fragmentate the market further and i guess not all android partners like retailers will jump on the tizen train directly.
Will be interesting to see how samsung manages it

Don't forget: Samsung and Google are BFFs now, now that they signed their patent cross licensing deal. /s

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Don't forget: Samsung and Google are BFFs now, now that they signed their patent cross licensing deal. /s

Google signed one with Cisco too more recently, as did Samsung. I don't particularly get the timing or the need myself but whatever might keep the out-of-control software patent wars from spreading even more can't be bad.
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Count backward from the first appearance of this story on The Verge. How long does it take to reinterpret and rewrite the work of another author, ofttimes leaving out critical details only the original writer would understand were critical to the story?

It could take hours (apparently). AppleInsider authors have to carefully inject misspelling, grammar and formatting mistakes, then get it approved by editors, who have the power to reject mistakes that don't look spontaneous enough. 1wink.gif

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Well I haven't seen the iWatch yet so.......

Well if you are Techie enough which i'm not you can always buy an iPod nano put some bluetooth in it and you get the Galaxy Gear 4 years ago 

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Haven't Samsung and Google agreed to share patents or something? I don't think there's going to be any major break-up between Sam and Goo anytime soon!

Apple and Microsoft signed a patent cross-licensing deal when Steve Jobs returned. And they haven't broken up since. 1wink.gif

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Well if you are Techie enough which i'm not you can always buy an iPod nano put some bluetooth in it and you get the Galaxy Gear 4 years ago 


Just without a camera

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Well if you are Techie enough which i'm not you can always buy an iPod nano put some bluetooth in it and you get the Galaxy Gear 4 years ago 

... and a heart-rate sensor. Oh and a gyroscope. OOPS, and a IR-LED sensor. Dang, you forgot about that camera too. But other than all those things your're right, it's kinda, sorta along the lines of an iPod nano. . . . if it was a rumored iWatch.
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Originally Posted by DroidFTW View Post

Off the top of my head I would say Swiftkey.

Swiftk3y. Remember: all android apps must use 13375p34k. Makes them more legit.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post.  I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say.

Try harder? you pointed out that some of the Samsung hardware are good and i pointed out that some are not, but also you literally the only one who goes to store to buy a SSD storage and ask for a Samsung SSD all of us we just buy Kingston or Seagate    

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Does someone have any stats on the number of non-iOS users who would purchase content from iTunes? And what that figure might be once Apple releases a phone with a larger screen? I have my doubts that it would be enough revenue to be worth it. Plus Apple takes away one of the selling points of owning an iOS device. Seems to me people who are Android users by choice (beyond iPhone screen size being too small) probably wouldn't use iTunes anyway. Unless there's this huge swath of consumers who can't afford to own an iPhone but can afford to purchase content from iTunes? Is that a large number of people? One of the reasons I owned an iPod (and now own an iPhone and iPad) is because iTunes had content I couldn't get anywhere else. If I could have easily gotten that content and put it on another device I probably would never have owned an Apple device. Sure Apple needs to increase their service revenues but if it's at he expense of hardware revenue is it worth it?

 

Good post.  And that is probably the main reason Apple doesn't 'share' iTunes... for now.  2/3 of Apple's income is iPhone hardware.  Right now they have a few services- iTunes, Apple Maps, Facetime, that add a sense of uniqueness to the iPhone and Apple won't likely share them as long as that is true.  There are one or two Apple fans out there who love the feeling of 'exclusivity' they get with the iPhone (no, really!) and they wouldn't like that anyone on any phone could do what they can do.

 

iTunes *is* growing and becoming a larger portion of that 'other 1/3' category of income.  iPhones, at best, can continue to do well, but most likely will stagnate in sales somewhat and get pinched year over year on their margins with continuing declining profits.  That is not a function of anything Apple is doing wrong so much as the market no longer growing at 150% year over year and increased competition.

 

At some point it would make sense for Apple to no longer limit those products to Apple users only and open them up to the open market.  They couldn't 'make less' from them, but the question is would people with choices go for them?  Would people on Android ditch Google maps for Apple maps or Hangouts for Facetime?

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Swiftk3y. Remember: all android apps must use 13375p34k. Makes them more legit.

 

I quite like Light Flow. Tasker was mentioned earlier and it's frankly magic. The problem is that we are half talking about apps and half talking about features. For example I have a customised VPN solution that I can't use on iOS. I have NFC stickers that I can't scan on iOS. These are for two entirely different reasons.

 

Mixing the two platforms is pretty damn unlikely, the two have entirely different goals and I don't think that would maintain Apple's margins. I honestly don't know what Apple should make next, but I doubt they'd permit the level of interoperability that these Android apps require.

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Try harder? you pointed out that some of the Samsung hardware are good and i pointed out that some are not, but also you literally the only one who goes to store to buy a SSD storage and ask for a Samsung SSD all of us we just buy Kingston or Seagate    

Your original post lacked clarity which is required when having a discussion with others.

 

What can I say, credit is due when it is earned.  SSD's are one thing they do well, apparently that's too much for you to handle.  I doubt I'm the only person here that would use an 840 Pro SSD, some of us desire exceptional performance with low power consumption.

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Why aren't there any pictures from the side? /s
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Originally Posted by Emes View Post
 


Just without a camera

 

Well you can always buy a strap with camera from china store or a small camera for iPhone if want to spy someone

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... and a heart-rate sensor. Oh and a gyroscope. OOPS, and a IR-LED sensor. Dang, you forgot about that camera too. But other than all those things your're right, it's kinda, sorta along the lines of an iPod nano. . . . if it was a rumored iWatch.

probably you can add those things too but why waste your time on a IR-LED sensor lol!

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Your original post lacked clarity which is required when having a discussion with others.

 

Yeah probably

 

What can I say, credit is due when it is earned.  SSD's are one thing they do well, apparently that's too much for you to handle.  I doubt I'm the only person here that would use an 840 Pro SSD, some of us desire exceptional performance with low power consumption.

 

They don't want to risk it

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I agree and don't think it will sell well outside of tech people. But it is technically impressive, the specs are higher than the original iPhone. And that means there is a slight danger in that if someone could come up with a way to get a really insanely great usable GUI on that little screen, and put an LTE chip in there, some people might start replacing their cellphones with them. Maybe just a few at first, but the GUI would be really hard to get right.

 

But doesn't work as well as anything Apple has done with hardware.


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Why aren't there any pictures from the side? /s

According to the press release, they're 10.0 mm (~0.39 inches) thick.

 

I just can't stand the look of these things.  Only analogue watches for me!

 

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Hey where you at? ohh i think my logic upset him and made him go away! don't worry i'm troll too you don't need to come here anymore i'll come to you to find more like you and i'll put logic in you trolls! 

 

Sorry, you didn't use any logic.  All you did was spew some opinionated nonsense about Samsung copying Apple's products' weight and then about how you think the tablet sucks.  What a solid argument.  At least you recognize that you are a troll; you said so yourself!

 

You did have one valid point.  The attachment of the name "Pro" may have an attempt to steal Apple's thunder with regards to the rumored iPad Pro.

 

And just as a disclaimer, I wouldn't buy a Samsung tablet over an iPad.

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Better looking than the first.

But still- who wants or wears a wristwatch anymore? P Diddy w  a Rolex?

I'll take my pocket watch iPhone or iPod Nano any day over that. I'd prefer an iRing even better. 

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Better looking than the first.

But still- who wants or wears a wristwatch anymore? P Diddy w  a Rolex?

I'll take my pocket watch iPhone or iPod Nano any day over that. I'd prefer an iRing even better. 

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 the watch industry is actually growing, analysts say. Sales may have fallen 4% in 2008 and an additional 10% in 2009 to $5.8 billion, but since then the watch’s fortunes have reversed, according to Euromonitor International. Last year, U.S. sales rose to $7.2 billion, and analysts say the industry expects that growth to continue.

As for the iWatch and competing smartwatches from the likes of Samsung and others, the industry seems to give such threats barely a second’s thought. In fact, watch sales are predicted to increase another 30% by 2017, according to Euromonitor......

 

......It makes sense to produce smartwatches that connect to a phone -- still allowing the user to send text messages, see sports scores and a variety of other tasks -- rather than a network. The devices would synchronize and the phone itself would be used less often.

Apple may be more likely to pull this off than its competitors, says Scott Steinberg, a strategic innovation consultant for TechSavvy Global. “I’m not entirely sure a smartwatch would be a phone replacement unless it’s made by Apple,” he says.

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And now it looks like the main site is unreachable.

My favorite formatting error is when they forget to close a formatting tag properly, and a hyperlink extends to the rest of the text of an article.

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post #104 of 168

Here is proof that Samsung don't copy Apple.  They clear copy rumors about Apple.

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According to the press release, they're 10.0 mm (~0.39 inches) thick.

 

I just can't stand the look of these things.  Only analogue watches for me!

 

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Wow it looks even uglier from behind

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post #106 of 168
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Actually, because of the form factor, a watch could have a better camera optics than a smart phone -- enclosed in the length of the watch body versus the thickness of a smart phone.

Not true.

By the same logic, phone camera optics can also be enclosed in the length of the phone, which has far greater real estate.
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Here is proof that Samsung don't copy Apple.  They clear copy rumors about Apple.

 

In fact Samsung even copy things not rumoured yet. Any product they release is a copy of something, no matter if past, present or future. That's the rule right?

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Not true.

By the same logic, phone camera optics can also be enclosed in the length of the phone, which has far greater real estate.

 

I think the point is you'd be happy to look down at your watch but have the camera facing forwards. It'd be less likely with a phone.

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Meh. They don't need to. Apple started the 3D maps and with their aquisition a year or so ago of interior mapping company, they have already even there. Glad they aren't "pulling a forstall" and rushing things.
post #110 of 168
There simply isn't room for that with the decent specs in the watch.

As far as the phone... Mirrors.
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Not true.

By the same logic, phone camera optics can also be enclosed in the length of the phone, which has far greater real estate.

How can you justify installing a camera on a watch so that the lens faces at the wrist or straight up from the display? I suppose it's the ultimate selfie-camara and could be used for video chat but this seems like a highly limited use case.

And how is that reasonable way to install a camera? What use case would make turning the display away from a natural holding position or having to bend your head down to see the display properly something that benefits users?

These simply aren't reasonable suggestions and Dick Applebaum's comments make perfect sense, although I hope not to see any camera in an iWatch.

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post #112 of 168
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Sorry, you didn't use any logic.  All you did was spew some opinionated nonsense about Samsung copying Apple's products' weight and then about how you think the tablet sucks.  What a solid argument.  At least you recognize that you are a troll; you said so yourself!

 

You did have one valid point.  The attachment of the name "Pro" may have an attempt to steal Apple's thunder with regards to the rumored iPad Pro.

 

And just as a disclaimer, I wouldn't buy a Samsung tablet over an iPad.

Well i'm a different troll a troll that trolling other trolls not normal people, i think was logical.. Samsung are so dumb they could it maded lighter and no one would notice but no they maded exactly the same just to steal iPad Air killer feature at cost of their battery, since when Samsung cares more about weight and less about battery? 

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post #113 of 168
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Off the top of my head I would say Swiftkey.

 

There's a notetaking app from Swiftkey on iOS.

But yes, having tried it, it's amazing. It's extremely fast and reliable. It's something that could be implemented in the current iOS keyboard without disrupting it. And it's optional, people would use it without even knowing they are using a special keyboard. I wish Apple bought that company to integrate it in iOS!

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Delusional. Samsung is only 'good' at copying. They don't have the means to develop something competitive with the PlayStore or AppStore. They can't support developers as Google does, update their OS as Google does. They don't have the level of service Google has. Anyone who thinks they can needs a reality check. Samsung is nothing without Google.

 

Before Samsung developed Tizen, they developed another phone OS called Bada.  I think most people on this forum would actually be astonished by how good it is.  It had multiple features which made it a better OS at the time it was introduced than I think iOS was in it's first iteration and had several features Which iOS didn't adopt for some time.  Samsung developed Bada with a small army of software engineers in India - more than 2000 of them, and that was back in 2010.  I suspect they employ considerably more currently.  Bada had several updates before being abandoned in favour of the development of Tizen.  Samsung have an App store, they can produce and distribute OS updates, they supported developers who produced apps for Bada. Certainly Samsung don't have Google's scale, but I think they would be quite capable of developing the infrastructure - if they haven't already - to support Tizen robustly.

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According to the press release, they're 10.0 mm (~0.39 inches) thick.

 

I just can't stand the look of these things.  Only analogue watches for me!

 

Close window 

 

You mean 1 mm.

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The trouble with being a fanboy, getting all your sustenance from the effluent Bilger disgorges periodically, is that you become incapable of independent thought or critical thinking.

 

Before Samsung developed Tizen, they developed another phone OS called Bada.  I think most people on this forum would actually be astonished by how good it is.  It had multiple features which made it a better OS at the time it was introduced than I think iOS was in it's first iteration and had several features Which iOS didn't adopt for some time.  Samsung developed Bada with a small army of software engineers in India - more than 2000 of them, and that was back in 2010.  I suspect they employ considerably more currently.  Bada had several updates before being abandoned in favour of the development of Tizen.  Samsung have an App store, they can produce and distribute OS updates, they supported developers who produced apps for Bada. Certainly Samsung don't have Google's scale, but I think they would be quite capable of developing the infrastructure - if they haven't already - to support Tizen robustly.

 

You are assuming too much.

 

Yes, Bada was so good that no phone uses it today. What a success on Scamsung's part. 

They can distribute OS updates? Oh, then why won't the Galaxy 4 support KitKat in Europe? That's a joke?!

Maybe they can support that infrastructure, maybe not. But they are not Google. Again, if MS is facing so much difficulty in pushing its ecosystem forward, you truly believe Samsung will be able to? Their ecosystem is obviously a lot weaker than that of MS, Google or Apple. Again, delusional. 

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Try harder? you pointed out that some of the Samsung hardware are good and i pointed out that some are not, but also you literally the only one who goes to store to buy a SSD storage and ask for a Samsung SSD all of us we just buy Kingston or Seagate    


I would happily buy a Samsung SSD, after all, Apple do.

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You mean 1 mm.

No.

 

10 mm = 1 cm = ~0.39 inches

 

1 mm = 0.1 cm = ~0.039 inches

post #119 of 168
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Well, there is a slightly related patent on an Apple designed ring:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/02/20/apples-smart-magnet-tech-could-spawn-new-classes-of-ipad-accessories


Well! Well! Then you will able to be truly married to Apple...
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Ugly!
Ugly as usual. They are no doubt waiting for Apple to deliver so they can copy and compete.
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