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I think you've misinterpreted the CNET story. CNET actively sought to monetize its already favourable reviews by charging companies to republish those stories. It's a shady business scheme but it's a stretch to say that CNET has accepted bribes in exchange for positive reviews.

 

Yes.  That's true.  However, I still wonder if they wrote the glowing reviews in advance and with intent to monetize them later.

It's sad that a news and review site like CNet has turned to this tactic to make money.

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On a related note, would somebody please enlighten me as I am genuinely interested in the following...

A number of times now, when I have described to friends how I prefer iOS over Android for its ecosystem, consistency across apps, ease of use, speed, etc., I have had Consumer Reports thrown in my face (as if that's the last (and only) word on the subject).

Was it ever shown that Consumer Reports was, in some way, influenced by the "Android Lobby"?

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Then don't play. Any real friends would respect your choice of platform, and you should respect theirs.
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Nice "Minority Report" reference. 

I hate that movie though. Apparently in the future wifi and ethernet are lost technologies which were substituted with glass diskettes.

Just kidding. It is an entertaining movie so long as you ignore the supposed advanced tech. 
I think the name Android must have been some twisted and evil joke by a Goggle executive.   A botnet of cloneable minions for which we harvest data from.  Billions upon billions of droids connected to and watched by our network. Not humans with privacy rights; but servants to play with as we like to harvest and sell their data.  bha bah ha ha.  

but why would people agree to this?  just tell them its free and open.


feels more like a combination of "Soylent Green" and "The Matrix" to me than "Minority Report"

I'm reminded of the AIs in Dan Simmons' Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion who are using everyone's brains as additional computer power while they're passing through the matter transmitters.
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Nice "Minority Report" reference. 

 

I hate that movie though. Apparently in the future wifi and ethernet are lost technologies which were substituted with glass diskettes.

 

Just kidding. It is an entertaining movie so long as you ignore the supposed advanced tech. 

 

Yeah, always thought that was funny that in that movie the future has resorted back to "sneakernet". :lol: 

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I despise the mainstream media in this country. They are getting too powerful and too corrupt. It's not about reporting who, what, when, where, and why but it's about greasing palms and influence peddling. Not only in the tech world but also in the reporting of what is supposedly news. I hope that Apple stays the course and continues to do what they've always done, make great products that people love. That means telling the tech publications to go pound sand and continuing to raise the bar for their competition. In other words, give Samsung something else to copy.
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My respect for Daniel Eran Dilger has risen, and for that matter, for AppleInsider for publishing this article.
I'm sure the payola has extended to AppleInsider. AppleInsider should be transparent regarding this issue and expose any attempts to subvert it and, in fact, do a story on payola in the media.
We, I, demand a Fifth Estate which informs us without bias.

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My phone was bricked after the "small" update. Luckily, I was at home and connected to iTunes. Sucks.

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Nice "Minority Report" reference. 

 

I hate that movie though. Apparently in the future wifi and ethernet are lost technologies which were substituted with glass diskettes.

 

Just kidding. It is an entertaining movie so long as you ignore the supposed advanced tech. 

 

Heh not to be mean but thinking it's a reference to a movie is kind of sad. Education...you has it.

 

This is one of the more useless editorials I've read - as far as security holes go, this is one of the larger, easier to exploit ones. Payment companies - whether they be Visa, Paypal, or Square - spend a ton of time worrying about man in the middle attacks. An issue that exists at the OS level compromises all of that unfortunately.

 

So is it the end of Apple or even a roadbump in the long view? Of course not. But to pretend that it's not a serious issue that isn't yet closed in the entire Apple ecosystem is just sticking your head into the ground. Shouting about how other companies might be worse doesn't change the severity of this incident.

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Heh not to be mean but thinking it's a reference to a movie is kind of sad. Education...you has it.

Cool it! Proverbs, idioms and the like are usually phrases that one learns as a child from their elders from within a particular culture so mstone remembering it from a film is likely more about him being attentive then him being poorly educated. I certainly don't recall it from that movie despite having seen the it more than once, but I know it because my particular upbringing had it repeated on a multitude of occasions.
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post #90 of 281

great editorial DED.     Feel sorry for all of the guys who's voices can be bought.   Its rare to find to find someone who puts their integrity ahead of their paycheck. 

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It's not a "vulnerability" it's an NSA backdoor, or that's how the latest take goes.

And if it was in fact an NSA backdoor, which employee at Apple snuck it through?

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Heh not to be mean but thinking it's a reference to a movie is kind of sad. Education...you has it.

 

This is one of the more useless editorials I've read - as far as security holes go, this is one of the larger, easier to exploit ones. Payment companies - whether they be Visa, Paypal, or Square - spend a ton of time worrying about man in the middle attacks. An issue that exists at the OS level compromises all of that unfortunately.

 

So is it the end of Apple or even a roadbump in the long view? Of course not. But to pretend that it's not a serious issue that isn't yet closed in the entire Apple ecosystem is just sticking your head into the ground. Shouting about how other companies might be worse doesn't change the severity of this incident.

 

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post #93 of 281
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On a related note, would somebody please enlighten me as I am genuinely interested in the following...

A number of times now, when I have described to friends how I prefer iOS over Android for its ecosystem, consistency across apps, ease of use, speed, etc., I have had Consumer Reports thrown in my face (as if that's the last (and only) word on the subject).

Was it ever shown that Consumer Reports was, in some way, influenced by the "Android Lobby"?

I do so hate playing chess with pidgeons.

CR is subjective and they like checklists. You can't really rate experience and you can't place a check mark next to that either. SD card: check; large screen: check; openness: check. = Android "win"
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Proverbs, idioms and the like are usually phrases that one learns as a child from their elders from within a particular culture...

After reading up on the subject, although it has been written several times on the Internet that it is a common phrase, all of the actual literary references appear to be quite obscure. I grew up in Central America where it never came up in my upbringing, nor did I encounter it in my studies in the States. I was not a Literature major. The reference in the MR film appears to be the the widest exposure of the phrase in recorded history as it probably has the broadest audience, especially compared to the Latin,  Hebrew and Dutch origins of the phrase.

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Well, I knew the "Country of the Blind" trope from reading the H.G. Wells story at an early age, but my favorite usage is in the Michael Flynn novel of the same name—kind of a reverse Difference Engine.
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CNet should be ashamed of itself accepting bribes from Samsung and Microsoft.
I always suspected some glowing reviews for MS Surface were paid for and it still does not sell.

This is cheating their customers and readers. Fortunately most people are not stupid and think before buying.
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Cnet is a bloody joke. I hardly use their app anymore. I figured a while back that they reporting was suspect. I wonder if being owned by CBS Interactive has put them in the proverbial toilet.
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Well, I knew the "Country of the Blind" trope from reading the H.G. Wells story at an early age, but my favorite usage is in the Michael Flynn novel of the same name—kind of a reverse Difference Engine.

Thanks. Interesting reading. Just goes to show how exchanging a single word, "country" for "land" while doing an Internet search turns up results which were omitted when searching the original phrase that was quoted here. I probably should have been familiar with the H. G. Wells version however, I did not read that work either.

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Proverbs, idioms and the like are usually phrases that one learns as a child from their elders from within a particular culture...

After reading up on the subject, although it has been written several times on the Internet that it is a common phrase, all of the actual literary references appear to be quite obscure. I grew up in Central America where it never came up in my upbringing, nor did I encounter it in my studies in the States. I was not a Literature major. The reference in the MR film appears to be the the widest exposure of the phrase in recorded history as it probably has the broadest audience, especially compared to the Latin,  Hebrew and Dutch origins of the phrase.

you mean Dutch philosophy is not mandatory in the Central America primary education system?  I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.   /s

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Well, I knew the "Country of the Blind" trope from reading the H.G. Wells story at an early age, but my favorite usage is in the Michael Flynn novel of the same name—kind of a reverse Difference Engine.
Thanks. Interesting reading. Just goes to show how exchanging a single word, "country" for "land" while doing an Internet search turns up results which were omitted when searching the original phrase that was quoted here. I probably should have been familiar with the H. G. Wells version however, I did not read that work either.

Well, reading the Wikipedia article, I realized I'd only read the revised 1939 version and not he 1904 one, and now I've got to try and find the 2001 revision of the Flynn novel, which I didn't know existed. We can all learn something every day. Unless we work for MicroSoft.
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you mean Dutch philosophy is not mandatory in the Central America primary education system?  I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.   /s

Ha Ha, no. I went to a private school which was probably equal to or better than US public schools at the time. We did study Dutch painters though.

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Quote: "The close relationship between Android licensees like Samsung and journalists covering the consumer electronics industry has grown increasingly sketchy."

I assume 'sketchy' in USA speak means 'dodgy' in UK speak? In UK speak that would mean vague.

Even in the USA "dodgy" would have been a better word to use in place of "sketchy" as sketchy has a dual meaning here and dodgy has only one.
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Quote: "The close relationship between Android licensees like Samsung and journalists covering the consumer electronics industry has grown increasingly sketchy."

I assume 'sketchy' in USA speak means 'dodgy' in UK speak? In UK speak that would mean vague.

Even in the USA "dodgy" would have been a better word to use in place of "sketchy" as sketchy has a dual meaning here and dodgy has only one.

if there is any doubt, I'd suggest the dictionary for sketchy.   I know of no USA dodgy. Its a British word.

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sketchy

 

sketchy

 adjective \ˈske-chē\

: not complete or clear

: done quickly without many details

: likely to be bad or dangerous

sketch·i·ersketch·i·est
 

Full Definition of SKETCHY

1
:  of the nature of a sketch :  roughly outlined
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:  wanting in completeness, clearness, or substance :  slight,superficial <the details are sketchy>
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:  questionableiffy <got into a sketchy situation> <a sketchycharacter>
— sketch·i·ly  adverb
— sketch·i·ness  noun
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post
sketchy has a dual meaning here

 

What’s the dual meaning? “In the style of a sketch”? I think we can parse the difference. :lol:

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sketchy has a dual meaning here

 

What’s the dual meaning? “In the style of a sketch”? I think we can parse the difference. :lol:

that's the 3rd meaning actually.

 

see above.

1. rough drawing

2. incomplete, unclear

3. questionalbe, iffy

 

I guess we could use "shady" here, but that is a bit stronger of a word.   IMHO, sketchy is leaves the possibility of things being on the up and up (i.e. questionable), while shady means you are pretty sure something is wrong, you just don't know what.

 

you calling me a crook? I'm not sure. Its sketchy. 

you calling me a crook? Well you do seem a bit shady.  *fight!*


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post #107 of 281
how can you guys get past the first five paragraphs in this drivel. i'm cognisant that this is pro-Apple website. Still, the writing is poor, unimaginative and makes one cringe, including myself who has the home stacked to the gills w/ apple products. I'm a fan-boy but geesh.
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how can you guys get past the first five paragraphs in this drivel. i'm cognisant that this is pro-Apple website. Still, the writing is poor, unimaginative and makes one cringe, including myself who has the home stacked to the gills w/ apple products. I'm a fan-boy but geesh.

#1. Always try to understand a person's motivation for saying what they say.

#2. Never trust anyone who calls themselves a fan-boy. 

 

someone sure is bent on taking the steam out of DED's writing. Must be working. Congrats DED. 

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post #109 of 281
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CNet should be ashamed of itself accepting bribes from Samsung and Microsoft.
I always suspected some glowing reviews for MS Surface were paid for and it still does not sell.

This is cheating their customers and readers. Fortunately most people are not stupid and think before buying.

If you think cnet is bad, try reading zdnet for more than 5 minutes. The obviously influenced bias is overwhelming.
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#1. Always try to understand a person's motivation for saying what they say.
#2. Never trust anyone who calls themselves a fan-boy. 

someone sure is bent on taking the steam out of DED's writing. Must be working. Congrats DED. 

It's all that Samsung money floating around. They are even paying people here. At $1m a post.

No the reason people don't like DED is many fold. Bad writing. Over writing. Paranoid. Illogical arguments. Sock puppetry.
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post #111 of 281
I would be cautious if I were you, ded. You've made some claims in this article that could be interpreted as accusations of illegal behavior (though you don't seem to know the legal definition of "payola," which refers narrowly to the record industry, see 47 USC 317) for which you don't have legally meaningful evidence. If any of them are incorrect, you could open yourself up to charges of libel.
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#1. Always try to understand a person's motivation for saying what they say.
#2. Never trust anyone who calls themselves a fan-boy. 

someone sure is bent on taking the steam out of DED's writing. Must be working. Congrats DED. 

It's all that Samsung money floating around. They are even paying people here. At $1m a post.

No the reason people don't like DED is many fold. Bad writing. Over writing. Paranoid. Illogical arguments. Sock puppetry.

its interesting what pops up in a search engine when you type unusual phrases that people type.

something that caught my eye, like:

 

 "stacked to the gills" and "iPhone",  the expression is "packed to the gills". So when someone uses it wrong in a unique way it catches my eye.

 

just saying.


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DED gives the term apple fanboy a whole new meaning. Loved the article and thanks for the knowledge!

Knowledge?  What knowledge?  There is nothing but pure speculation here regarding the reasons for the so-called negative press coverage.  He has not one shred of evidence that it's because of "Apple's failure to pay."  He simply made this up, plain and simple.  How can anyone take him seriously when he writes such hysterical and baseless drivel?  He gives Apple fans a bad name.  

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If you think cnet is bad, try reading zdnet for more than 5 minutes. The obviously influenced bias is overwhelming.

I can't imagine any more biased writing than this article we're commenting on.  It's laughable.  

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I can't imagine any more biased writing than this article we're commenting on.  It's laughable.  

 

Guess who wasn’t paid by Apple to write it.

Guess who completely missed the topic of discussion.

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post #116 of 281

The Pitch

 

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That's a long post, but it should get the usual suspects going.

 

Exhibit A:

 

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I was wondering if that SSL vulnerability would cause a DED meltdown.  Meltdown confirmed.

 

Exhibit B:

 

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Nice "Minority Report" reference. 

 

I hate that movie though. Apparently in the future wifi and ethernet are lost technologies which were substituted with glass diskettes.

 

 

 

Not trying to be a snob, but the short story by Philip K. Dick was really much better. Maybe 'cos when I read the story, I didn't have to picture Tom Cruise in my head!

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I can't imagine any more biased writing than this article we're commenting on.  It's laughable.  

 

Guess who wasn’t paid by Apple to write it.

Guess who completely missed the topic of discussion.

guess who is encouraged to write more of the same when he gets the right kind of attention. Both good and bad.

 

its seems that just about every weekend, we get one of DED's editorials and the outcome seems pretty much consistent. 

#1. Lots of people complimenting the article and thanking DED for a job well done.

#2. A few people completely lose it and resorting to name calling, threatening to leave the web site, and other meaningless shenanigans.  

 

thats exactly what a successful editorial is designed to do. 

 

p.s. IMHO, pointing out typo's, grammar, word usage, and other pointless OCD mumbo jumbo is so petty.  lol.. who cares... Language is used to communicate a message. The editorials are obviously received and understood just fine as is. Job accomplished.


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DED,

I humbly request you pen one of your historically-based articles detailing how Objective-C has moved to being one of the least known programming languages to one of the most used throughout the world. According to Tiobe, Java is now number 2 and at the current rate Objective-C will pass it to become the 2nd most popular programming language after C, of course, by Summer. I think the history of Objective-C would be an interesting read and I think you're the author to write it.

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According to Tiobe, Java is now number 2 and at the current rate Objective-C will pass it to become the 2nd most popular programming language after C, of course, by Summer. 

 

What now? Objective-C is great stuff, but it gained 1.5% over the last 12 months, with Java losing 1%. They're still 6% apart. Even if the deltas continue, Objective-C won't pass Java for more than two years. 

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