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I didn't make any claims of that kind. You are making all the leaps about what I said. What I posted was a reply to the argument that "company Y didn't copy X because X didn't invent it." One can still be inspired by a derivative work.

 

You're right, you didn't make those claims, and I didn't claim you made those claims.  That's why I wrote questions, questions you could answer to clarify your position.  And then I answered a series of my own questions to lay out the conditions surrounding Samsung's placement of a fingerprint scanner in the S5.  And then I explained what I believe to be the limits of the copying argument.

 

Samsung didn't become inspired to add a fingerprint sensor to the S5 after Apple showed them it was possible.  Rather Samsung was compelled to add one now rather than later in order to maintain competitive parity.  I, personally, don't consider that copying.

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I think the Galaxy S5 is an ugly device.  

Look at the size of the camera on the back, look at the cheap looking cover.

It appears that Samsung copied the overall design of the iPhone 2G but screwed up the casing and the camera.

The casing has a band-aid texture and the "after thought" camera and flash were certainly not designed for this phone body.

Call it the Frankenstein phone with body parts from different devices merged together.

 

 

 

 

Look at the smooth lines on the old iPhone 2G design with its camera, casing and layout that fit well together as they were custom designed for each other.

 


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Wow, 20% improvement in battery life... 20% of, um 2 hours is uh, 40 minutes... Gee that's useful. Funny how they failed to give specific hours and minutes...

In fairness, good to see they are pushing hard as it will continue make Apple innovate at least even though Samsung are constantly playing catch up.
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That's the 3G, not the 2G (original iPhone). Unless you're using 2G to mean second generation, which isn't a great idea since the 2G phone is called the 3G.

What a naming clock up that was from Apple, six years ago.

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They have officially made a fool of themselves. iPhone 5s samsung s5 seriously?!?! And then touch ID in the home button and then samsung dies it to!!! Someone has to stop there bullshit. I'm sick and tired of samsung. I used to have everything samsung and then bam then I found Apple and saw how much samsung had copied Apple. Scam, jerks, copy cats, dumb ass's. And then they take paypal which was rumored to be with Apple in nogotiation. What crap AND THEN they take the same color selection as the iPhone 5s's and the iPod's. They have to be delt with. People are going to realize that the s5 is a complete rip off. Even the name being swapped around.
Rumours are now facts. If Apple are rumoured to do anything then all other companies must stop any development in them and hand over all IP just so they are not accused of copying?
Has anyone ever heard of convergent development?
galaxy s2, galaxy s3, galaxy s4 now the galaxy s5 sounds like a consistent naming convention to me I'd bet the next version is called the galaxy s5!

Can anyone have a sensible discussion about the product or must we all have the Apple iz da best, Samsung is the devil attitude?

I'd say Samsung was maybe forced to use the fingerprint scanner ealier than they wanted due to Apples introduction of their version as the perception will be top end phones require it.
No 64 bit. Is that more due to Android than Samsung?
Colour thats such a personal choice. Me I'd always go black but that gold is tacky.
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I'm sure I remember reading that TouchID is to some degree enabled by 64-bit because of its advanced cryptography capabilities. I wonder if that means Samsung's version is significantly worse functionally, in addition to the poor usability in swiping and one-handed use.

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Touch ID is not the first implementation of a fingerprint scanner on a smartphone. That credit belongs to the Atrix, but even that idea was not novel since fingerprint-based authentication had long been used for personal computers, and smartphones are pocket-sized personal computers. The main difference between Touch ID and the Atrix's implementation is that Touch ID uses a newer sensor. Apple waited longer than Motorola for Authentec's sensors to mature before integrating them in a smartphone.
yes I know Apple wasn't first; every know that. Still doesn't answer my question. Why didn't the Galaxy S3 or 4 have a fingerprint scanner? Why is it only coming out AFTER Apple implemented it on iPhone?
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That's the 3G, not the 2G (original iPhone). Unless you're using 2G to mean second generation, which isn't a great idea since the 2G phone is called the 3G.

What a naming clock up that was from Apple, six years ago.

That's what I mean by being unduly negative on Apple.
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yes I know Apple wasn't first; every know that. Still doesn't answer my question. Why didn't the Galaxy S3 or 4 have a fingerprint scanner? Why is it only coming out AFTER Apple implemented it on iPhone?

All this defending Samsung after they admitted they copied the original iPhone to solve their "crisis in design" and asked a jury to go easy on them.

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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Look at the smooth lines on the old iPhone 2G design

 

3G.

 

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That's what I mean by being unduly negative on Apple.

 

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OH, no. That’s ALL on them. They made their bed and now they have to figure out what to do with triangular sheets on a circular mattress.

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Samsung Galaxy S5 comes in two version Snapdragon 801 2.5 GHz and Octa-core 2.1 GHz,  so it looks like is not gonna be any S5 Pro or S5 Prime so this is pretty much what you gonna get from Samsung flagship phone, well hey it's never to late to go and buy an iPhone 5s! 

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Why print scanner if u can't make a good one?

Advertising copy, then you allow people to easily turn it off so the pushback is minimal in the face of billions in ad copy....

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So was Apple copying the Atrix?  Is Samsung copying the Atrix?  Was the Atrix copying the laptops with fingerprint sensors?  Were laptops with fingerprint sensors copying institutional security systems?

Did Samsung put the fingerprint sensor in a phone this year because Apple put on in the 5s?  Yes.  Did Samsung only realize they could put a fingerprint sensor in their phone because the iPhone has one?  No.  Did Samsung consider using a fingerprint sensor in their phone before the iPhone had one?  Probably so.

I think the furthest you can go with your argument is that Apple's implementation forced Samsung's timeline to change.  You can't make the leap to say that Apple gave Samsung the idea.

Where was the Atrix sensor. Where is Apple's.

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Wow, 20% improvement in battery life... 20% of, um 2 hours is uh, 40 minutes... Gee that's useful. Funny how they failed to give specific hours and minutes...

In fairness, good to see they are pushing hard as it will continue make Apple innovate at least even though Samsung are constantly playing catch up.

Actually it's 24 mins. (20% of 120 mins)
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That's what I mean by being unduly negative on Apple.
You must have missed all of the "iPhone 5, but it's the 6th phone" controversy and all of the "4S isn't a true upgrade" nonsense.

I'm not being entirely serious about it being a major cock up, but it does seem to have caused some people a lot of grief.

And I don't think the criticism is undue, Apple seem to have been winging it with their naming conventions in the early iPhone years. iPhones, great; iPhone naming conventions, not very well thought through.

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iMember pointed out something reported at BGR, there's an 8 core version coming.

 

Edited for the link - http://bgr.com/2014/02/25/galaxy-s5-specs-processor/

 

As for all this 'who did the fingerprint sensor first' stuff, think of it as we do in firearms instruction. When competing (or shooting for your survival) the fastest miss doesn't win. So some other technologies including touch screens, fingerprint sensors, retina display, etc. may have been in the wild before Apple, but they mostly were misses. Not until Apple has done them did anyone hit the target. 

 

I'm happy to admit Apple has had it's own misses as well. Pippin, Ping, and others that probably don't start with P.

 

So screaming some other company did it 'FIRST' doesn't mean they did it RIGHT, or that it caught on. First doesn't automatically mean right. There are plenty of misses, and I'm thinking a lot of these smart watches are good examples, IMO.

 

The cool thing with iPhones, at this point Apple can simply increase screen size and it's a big deal, which means it sells lots of phones. Where as, had they 5 and/or 5s had gone larger screen and had all their bells & whistles there might be a less compelling reason to upgrade to the 6. I'm assuming the 6 has a larger display, imagine if if has a larger display AND some other new innovation. Heck, if there isn't anything else new they could bump storage memory specs which would please many here as well.

 

The pattern of changing the physical size of the phone every 2 years really helps those cases or add-ons to stay relevant, reducing waste. I would think this keeps the 3rd party case makers happier even if Apple doesn't care about their happiness ultimately. Revealing two screen sizes that are done 'right' with appropriate UI tweaks will make them hits with us.

 

Having said all that and looking at the S5 specs, I do wonder if the cell phone world is starting to plateau. I also believe 'cell phone' is an anachronism at this point, but don't have a better name. Maybe we should call the the true personal computers. I mean, if it takes your pulse then that's pretty personal :)

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iMember pointed out something reported at BGR, there's an 8 core version coming.

Is it actually 8-core or is it big.LITTLE?

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Rumours are now facts. If Apple are rumoured to do anything then all other companies must stop any development in them and hand over all IP just so they are not accused of copying?
Has anyone ever heard of convergent development?
galaxy s2, galaxy s3, galaxy s4 now the galaxy s5 sounds like a consistent naming convention to me I'd bet the next version is called the galaxy s5!
You really think those are the only names they've used in this line? They had upwards of 13 names for the original Galaxy S alone with more than 5 for the S2

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S
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Rumours are now facts. If Apple are rumoured to do anything then all other companies must stop any development in them and hand over all IP just so they are not accused of copying?
Has anyone ever heard of convergent development?
galaxy s2, galaxy s3, galaxy s4 now the galaxy s5 sounds like a consistent naming convention to me I'd bet the next version is called the galaxy s5!
You really think those are the only names they've used in this line? They had upwards of 13 names for the original Galaxy S alone with more than 5 for the S2

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S
no but the line is galaxy s the rest are variants that reside under parent name. The parent name has had a standard naming convention galaxy s +generation
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Wow, 20% improvement in battery life... 20% of, um 2 hours is uh, 40 minutes... Gee that's useful. Funny how they failed to give specific hours and minutes...

In fairness, good to see they are pushing hard as it will continue make Apple innovate at least even though Samsung are constantly playing catch up.

2 hours? please show me where you got that ridiculous figure from.  Imagination land perhaps?

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Samsung Galaxy S5 comes in two version Snapdragon 801 2.5 GHz and Octa-core 2.1 GHz,  so it looks like is not gonna be any S5 Pro or S5 Prime so this is pretty much what you gonna get from Samsung flagship phone, well hey it's never to late to go and buy an iPhone 5s! 

 

There might still be another version that launches in the summer with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 805.  I don't know if they'll label it with "Pro" or anything like that.
 
The original Galaxy S4 launched with the Exynos 5410 and in LTE markets, the Snapdragon 600.  A couple months after the S4's release, another version, the Galaxy S4 LTE-A, launched with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 and LTE-Advanced support.
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More reviews of how crappy the scanner is:

 

http://recode.net/2014/02/24/first-look-samsung-goes-back-to-basics-with-galaxy-s5/

http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/samsung-galaxy-s5-tech-critics-verdict-218916.html

 

Also the scanner isn't on the button.  Its actually on the glass.  So you need to press a button to wake up the phone and then slide your finger.

 

 

LOL.

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More reviews of how crappy the scanner is:

 

http://recode.net/2014/02/24/first-look-samsung-goes-back-to-basics-with-galaxy-s5/

http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/samsung-galaxy-s5-tech-critics-verdict-218916.html

 

Also the scanner isn't on the button.  Its actually on the glass.  So you need to press a button to wake up the phone and then slide your finger.

 

 

LOL.

I'm more impressed with the design now that you tell me its in the glass.  Still think the sliding action is subpar however.

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Wow, 20% improvement in battery life... 20% of, um 2 hours is uh, 40 minutes... Gee that's useful. Funny how they failed to give specific hours and minutes...

In fairness, good to see they are pushing hard as it will continue make Apple innovate at least even though Samsung are constantly playing catch up.

2 hours? please show me where you got that ridiculous figure from.  Imagination land perhaps?

unfortunately, saying that one component has a 20% improvement if battery usage is not the same thing as stating what the overall product battery life is.  Just a marketing trick. 

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That's the 3G, not the 2G (original iPhone). Unless you're using 2G to mean second generation, which isn't a great idea since the 2G phone is called the 3G.

What a naming clock up that was from Apple, six years ago.

That's what I mean by being unduly negative on Apple.

Benjamin Frost,

don't waste your time.  Some people only come to fan sites with unpopular statements for debate purposes. For that to happen at AI,  they need be negative about Apple. I'm sure they have accounts on Android fan sites and are negative about Android there as well. They live for debate regardless of their position. It just has to be in opposition of popular belief on the fan site.  

Just hit the "Block Member" button, if they annoy you. Don't try to fix them, they don't want fixing.  They just get off on it and even more so if people give them the benefit of the doubt that they are just trolling.

 

I already hit the Block button on this person, its unfortunate I see their "craftsmanship" quoted in replies from other members.


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no but the line is galaxy s the rest are variants that reside under parent name. The parent name has had a standard naming convention galaxy s +generation

You know that line started selling in 2010, right?

 

The iPhone line has been standard from 2010 as well. iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5S. The iPhone 5C is a variant of the parent. I'm pretty sure the next one will be the iPhone 6. Looks like convention to me.

 

This naming convention actually started with the 3G and then 3GS. When did Samsung start the "S" line? After the 3GS. Coincidence? 

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Is it actually 8-core or is it big.LITTLE?

It's the Exynos 5422, another big.LITTLE design, but unlike previous designs, this can use all 8 cores at once.

 

Specs:

  • 4x Cortex A15 @ 2.1GHz
  • 4x Cortex A7 @ 1.5 GHz
  • Mali-T628 MP6 @ ???MHz
  • 2 x 32-bit LPDDR3-1866
  • 22nm HK+MG
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It's the Exynos 5422, another big.LITTLE design, but unlike previous designs, this ca
n use all 8 cores at once.


Specs:
  • 4x Cortex A15 @ 2.1GHz
  • 4x Cortex A7 @ 1.5 GHz
  • Mali-T628 MP6 @ ???MHz
  • 2 x 32-bit LPDDR3-1866
  • 22nm HK+MG

My or is unfounded. I don't recall reading that big.Little was advancing to allow all cores to run at once. Thanks.

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My or is unfounded. I don't recall reading that big.Little was advancing to allow all cores to run at once. Thanks.

This is how it was supposed to be from the start.  The reason the Exynos 5410 could not run all 8 cores at once was due to a fault with the CoreLink CCI-400.  This problem was said to be fixed in the Exynos 5420 when it launched in the second half of 2013, but if I'm not mistaken, it was never put to use.

 

Worth noting, in the second half of 2013, MediaTek launched the MT6592.  This SoC utilized 8 Cortex A7 cores and was able to activate all 8 cores at once.  

 

Later in 2014, Qualcomm plans to join the 8 core race with the mid-range Snapdragon 615. It will make use of 8 Cortex A53 cores (64-bit ARMv8).

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no but the line is galaxy s the rest are variants that reside under parent name. The parent name has had a standard naming convention galaxy s +generation

You know that line started selling in 2010, right?

 

The iPhone line has been standard from 2010 as well. iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5S. The iPhone 5C is a variant of the parent. I'm pretty sure the next one will be the iPhone 6. Looks like convention to me.

 

This naming convention actually started with the 3G and then 3GS. When did Samsung start the "S" line? After the 3GS. Coincidence? 

it could well be a coincidence or it could have been deliberate. Though that would have meant Samsung copying a future trend, they should have copied the tech from the future not the name. iPhone, iPhone 3g iPhone 3gs doesnt tell you what future names would be. But i would bet the next galaxy s phone will be galaxy s6 and the one after that the s7 etc.
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it could well be a coincidence or it could have been deliberate. Though that would have meant Samsung copying a future trend, they should have copied the tech from the future not the name. iPhone, iPhone 3g iPhone 3gs doesnt tell you what future names would be. But i would bet the next galaxy s phone will be galaxy s6 and the one after that the s7 etc.
Bottom line is since 2010 they've both followed a naming convention.
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it could well be a coincidence or it could have been deliberate. Though that would have meant Samsung copying a future trend, they should have copied the tech from the future not the name. iPhone, iPhone 3g iPhone 3gs doesnt tell you what future names would be. But i would bet the next galaxy s phone will be galaxy s6 and the one after that the s7 etc.
Bottom line is since 2010 they've both followed a naming convention.
yup and I hope they both font start dicking around with it. Both sets are now easy to understand. Samsungs is each generstion and Apples is the tick-tock. You know which has the higher specs, which is newer etc.
My original response about the names was my interpretation of someone elses over tge top claim thst Samsung was copying the 5s name with the s5.
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Rumours are now facts. If Apple are rumoured to do anything then all other companies must stop any development in them and hand over all IP just so they are not accused of copying?
Has anyone ever heard of convergent development?
galaxy s2, galaxy s3, galaxy s4 now the galaxy s5 sounds like a consistent naming convention to me I'd bet the next version is called the galaxy s5!

Can anyone have a sensible discussion about the product or must we all have the Apple iz da best, Samsung is the devil attitude?

I'd say Samsung was maybe forced to use the fingerprint scanner ealier than they wanted due to Apples introduction of their version as the perception will be top end phones require it.
No 64 bit. Is that more due to Android than Samsung?
Colour thats such a personal choice. Me I'd always go black but that gold is tacky.
My friends a samsung fan I told him the news and he said "Crap! I hoped they wouldn't do this. Now there gonna struggle" I think that still the fact that samsung puts it in the home button and hasn't done their retina thing is just.... And that there s5 and people who army that technical will realize that it's a rip off and just changed the name around from 5s
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I thought this copy of Samsung's S5 was really ironic, until I saw that they also make copies of iPhones as well.

http://www.goophone.cc/phones/goophone-s5.html
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will be interesting to see if Apple will follow up on the bigger display - then we'll all have to wonder who's copying who. At least Apple does it with much more style. That plaster-lookalike-gold edition, sorry, just bad.

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