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Hi All,

I am wondering about a digital camera in the 4-500 dollar range. I think that puts me in the 2-3 Megapixel range. However, what I am most interested in (for a number of reasons) is color fidelity and image quality, not necessarily speed/bells/whistles, etc.

I have looked at the Canon digital elph, and the nikon 885. Are there any other suggestions? Sony's seem like a pin in the neck with the memory stick situation, but I hear they have good glass (lenses) in them.

What are people's suggestions?

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I've owned a Nikon 990, a Canon Elph S100, S110, and S300. The Nikon took great pictures, I'd say it was better than the Elph... however I'm still more a fan of Canon's Elph series. I like the size of the camera the most.
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I would spend just a "little" more and get the Canon PowerShot S40. I don't have one but I've used one and have seen the results. The features are SWEET...and they are compact and lightweight. You can even get a waterproof casing for extreme hiking, scooba diving, etc.

Check out the .PDF for it and tell us what you think about all of the features. Armed with a 1 or 2GB Microdrive you are ready to take a journey and show us all of your cool pix.
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[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>Hi All,

I am wondering about a digital camera in the 4-500 dollar range. I think that puts me in the 2-3 Megapixel range. However, what I am most interested in (for a number of reasons) is color fidelity and image quality, not necessarily speed/bells/whistles, etc.

I have looked at the Canon digital elph, and the nikon 885. Are there any other suggestions? Sony's seem like a pin in the neck with the memory stick situation, but I hear they have good glass (lenses) in them.

What are people's suggestions?

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[quote]Originally posted by fumbled:
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Sorry Mandricard, I'm sort of new at this site.

From personal experience, try the Toshiba PDR-M81.

If you shop it around, you can get it for around $500 (or less) It has great specs (4.3 megapixel, 2.8 optical zoom, plenty of manual settings (if that's what you want) and it takes GREAT pictures. Uses SmartMedia memory, comes with a USB cable for downloading to Mac or PC. It's pretty idiot proof.

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I own the Digital Elph S100 and it's a great camera. The pictures come out well (although I often run an Auto Levels/Auto Contrast in photoshop on them). What I love most is the size and portability though - it's a tight little design.

If you do look at the Elph, watch out for models above the S100 - they all add mpeg video and tons of other nonsense, but unless you REALLY think you'll need it, it's probably not worth the $$$. The only thing I'd pay more for is more megapixels or firewire (USB seems so slow now for this sort of thing! C'mon Apple, show us what you got!)

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Thanks for the replies!

What should I expect (in terms of cost) for this Nikon S40? And the Toshiba? Are there any mac-connectivity problems? Are they compatible with iPhoto?

I understand the Elph series are tiny and convenient, and they do look attractive, but image quality is really what I am concerned about: color fidelity (and holding of close toal values) in the darks and lights, sharpness of course, and the ability to "bracket" images, as opposed to simply pointing and shooting.

is there a website that rates these things reliably? Most places I look rate one or two against one another, not the whole gamut of things.

Thanks for the continued help.

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You can get lost over at <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/" target="_blank">Digital Photography Review</a>, but they have tons of info and good fora. If you want to know everything before you buy, this is the place.
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Timo is right, DP Review is by far the best source of digital camera information. The site also features excellent fora, which were essential in coming to my ultimate choice of digital camera.

Mandricard: Good to see you testing the digital photography waters. As you may remember, I got a 2MP Canon PowerShot A20 a little less than a year ago. The image quality it produces, incl. color and sharpness, is excellent. It uses 4x AA batteries, which are much cheaper than the proprietary battery systems used by other Canon and Nikon cameras. What's even better is that Canon just announced an updated A20, the <a href="http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/a40-30/index.html" target="_blank">Canon PowerShot A40</a> at PMA 2002.

Personally, I haven't used my film cameras (a Canon Point & Shoot and a Pentax manual SLR with a good set of prime lenses) since I got my PowerShot A20. And I'm planning on hanging on to my PowerShot A20 until I can get a Digital SLR with interchangeable lenses for less than $1000.

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I would look into the Olympus C-3020Z and the Sony DCS-S75. Perhaps look at the Canon S30, but the first two cameras will produce much better images.

At this point, I don't recommend any of Nikon's consumer digital cameras because offerings from Sony, Olympus and Canon are all much, much better in image output and in build quality. Let's take the two cameras you've listed as an example...The zoom lens on the Nikon operates on plastic gears vs metal with the Canon Digital Elph. Unless having 3 megapixels vs 2 is the most important thing, i would not suggest the Nikon over the Canon. Even with that in mind, there are plenty of better cameras from other manufacturers.

I actually like Sony MemoryStick. I like it more than SmartMedia, which is what you'll be stuck with if you buy an Olympus C-Series. Bottom-line, SmartMedia is not durable, and I hate fumbling around with the cases you have to put them in to protect them. Of course, my favorite medium is CompactFlash, but they don't seem to be in my favorite consumer level digital cameras. It's a bit of a pity actually.

As for Sony's Zeiss lenses. dpreview.com has some telling close-up comparisons of the "Zeiss lens" with other lenses. They're basically the same as other lenses from other manufacturers...particularly Canon, Casio and Epson. Perhaps the glass is very slightly better..who knows...check out this page near the bottom.

<a href="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscs75/" target="_blank">http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscs75/</a>

Nevertheless, the S75 is a great camera.

And regarding the Canon S40...If you're going to be spending that much, I'd look at the Sony DSC-S85. The S40 is $600 at B&H and the Sony is $660. The Sony has much better optics than the Canon S-series.

As for the next immediate digital camera purchase in my household. My sister's going to college this fall. I've already steered her toward the Canon Digital Elph S330. It's small, has a 3x optical zoom, a good amount of manual control and plenty of resolution for what she'll use it for...4x6s and web.
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I've been very happy with my Kodak DC 3400. It cost me $330 at Office Depot when I got it last year. It's a 2.0 megapixel camera and has pretty good but not stellar quality (it's no Nikon). But it serves it's purpose very well, which is to capture moments. I wouldn't buy a Sony because of the proprietary memory stick.

Other than that, I know a guy who really likes his Nikon 775, which was about $300 and I've always heard good things about Canon and Olympus cameras.
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i purchased sony dsc f-505v few years ago. i bought it since it had zeiss lens and it was funniest looking digital camera with extruding gigantic lens..... then i realized i hardly take it with me, because of it's size. it does take some sharp pictures though. i would suggest you purchase one that you can fit into your pocket. if lens quality is your priority concern, i read that panasonic has teamed up with leica. so that might be interesting to check out.....
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post #13 of 118
Pfft, Leica is a nice name of course, but their digital cameras are just rebadged models from other manufacturers. Leica's previous digital cameras were rebadged FujiFilm digitals.

I wouldn't give them any special consideration for their name alone...same with the Zeiss lenses in the Sonys, which have proven to be not all that special.

Example:
<a href="http://www.dpreview.com/news/0009/00090102leicadigilux43.asp" target="_blank">http://www.dpreview.com/news/0009/00090102leicadigilux43.asp</a>
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post #14 of 118
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Thank you all for your advice.

So, the models I am now looking at are:

The Digital Elph,
The A40
The Nikon 885
The Olympus C-3020Z

The questions that remain:
What are people's experiences with OS X and these cameras?
What about hardware/software compatibility?
Do they all take movies?
How much time is too much time between shots? (i.e. What should I expect from a camera in terms of the time it takes to process a shot and allow you to shoot the next? How much time is too much time?)

Thanks for all the help, once again.

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Actually, since all these cameras are practically brand new, they aren't even listed on the iPhoto compatibility page...yet.

I know the Olympus C-3020Z, Canon A40, and the Canon Digital Elph S330 and S200 aren't listed.

If they really don't work with iPhoto right now, you should get a flash media reader anyway...one that is iPhoto compatible.
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[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>So, the models I am now looking at are:

The Digital Elph,
The A40
The Nikon 885
The Olympus C-3020Z</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mandricard: I have no doubt that Olympus makes great digicams. But in my opinion, anything that doesn't use CompactFlash for storage is highly inconvenient. CF cards are both cheaper per MB and available in significantly higher capacities than any other flash format. It's a mistery why the industry (including PDAs) hasn't standardized on CF yet. I guess everybody is hoping to create their own turf.

[quote]<strong>What are people's experiences with OS X and these cameras?
What about hardware/software compatibility?
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OS X is really a non-issue. You will realize soon after getting your camera that using third party software (such as GraphicConverter and iPhoto) is much better than anything that comes with the cameras. And as Eugene pointed out, you're better off with a $20 CF card reader regardless of camera compatibility.

[quote]<strong>Do they all take movies?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not sure, but I think they all do. Check their specs on DPReview.

[quote]<strong>What should I expect from a camera in terms of the time it takes to process a shot and allow you to shoot the next?</strong><hr></blockquote>

In my admittedly limited experience, all the point and shoots are annoyingly slow. I used a manual SLR for 15 years and resisted autofocus cameras until I got my A20 last year. I have found the autofocus lag and lack of manual focusing (with a ring on the lens, not with silly buttons) a major nuisance. I imagine the situation is much better with the recent digital SLRs, but they are currently out of the question for budget reasons. To sum it up: (1) Look at the times on DPReview. (2) Faster is obviously better. (3) Don't expect to be blown away by the speed of any sub-$1000 digital camera.

If you don't mind a slightly larger camera and like the idea of using standard AA batteries (still get NiMH rechargeables), choose the A40. An additional benefit is that you can get a wide angle and telephoto adapter for the A40, none of which are avaiable for the other 3 cameras. If you want to carry the camera with you at all times, the Digital Elph is without equal. I'd skip on the Olympus because it doesn't use CF. The Nikon is nice, but I have no personal experience with it, aside from holding it at the Apple Store and finding that it fits in my hand very nicely.

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Hey... first post!!!!

(been readingg for years)

I've been using a Nikon 885 for the last 3 or 4 months and have been giving it some pretty severe testing.

I've come from a decent SLR so picture quality, lens quality and manual control were the main factors in my choice.

I have to say that I've been chuffed to bits with every aspect of the camera - the picture quality is fantastic, it feels good and solid and fits the hand great. It has a slight tendancy to oversaturate reds in certain conditions although this is a known bug and a firmware update will hopefully be available sometime soon. I've not noticed it in pictures unless there is a strong red presence.

The autofocus, although not super-fast in the viewfinder works well in practice. If you try and catch it out by pointing and pressing before it gets a chance to breath, it still gets everything nice and sharp.

I've not plugged it into OSX at work yet but at home on 9.2 it's been a dream, just mounts on the desktop.

There is a slight delay in pressing the shutter but this is fairly standard in this level of digital camera as far as I can tell.

I'd certainly recommend the camera to anyone, I've been really pleased so far.

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Forgot to say... the Nikon 885 does take movies, up to 40 seconds (assuming you've got the space) but there's no mic so no sound.
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So, Mandricard, have you made your final choice yet? Or are you waiting until the end of the semester?

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I am cautiously pering at the Canon A40, though waiting for X support!

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the sony dsc-s75 is the best camera. i researched it for so long i was going to go blind from reading. altho i paid $699 when it first came out last summer, you can surely get it for $500 today.

my 3.3 mp sony takes better pix that my friend's brand new 5mp nikon. also, get a sony with the carl zeiss lens. the image quality is SO SO SO SO SO sharp, it's better than my regular vision (with glasses)!!!!!!

colors look great too. no accuracy problems. not that you needed any extra features, but the sony has those too. unlimited mpeg movie mode with sound is a very cool and comes in handy.

i want to be completely honest, and the only thing ithat irks me is that the flash is too strong. you will probably have to set it to low instead of normal (which is not hard to do).

as for the memory stick, it is 1000x better than a compact flash card in my opinion. it is smaller than a wrigley's stick of gum, and is 100% compatible with mac. installing drivers was s snap, and for OS X, i didnt even need to install them. completely plug and play. there is no need to upload pix to your computer with memory stick. you just plug in the USB cable from the camera, and the computer treats it just like it would, say, a zip disk. you may need to buy a bigger memory stick, however, which have come down a lot in price lately. $80 for a 128mb, or 64mb for $40. i only have the 64mb, but i have never run out of room.

hope this helps.

***btw, just wanted to add, this is NOT the sony camera with the long barrel lens!! this one is regular 35mm camera size. and it imports directly into iphoto if you want it to. it also has macro and manual settings for aperture, exposure, etc, but i'll be damned if i know how to use those. "auto" everything mode works just fine for me. however, maybe some day i can learn how to use the other advanced features.

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i got the minolta s404 for $500...it's 4.1 MP, 140 mm (equiv) zoom....it's great. i haven't tried to sync it with my computer via iphoto, but i'm hoping it works. if not, i'm sure it will be with the next iphoto update.....the s304 was supported, so i'm hoping the next incremental update will work
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It is far nicer to grow into your camera than out of it.

I used to have a Kodak DC360. The top of the line in its day, but I did learn some things to look out for when upgrading...

1. Cameras whose lenses go in and out externally to the casing take longer to warm up. They are also more likely to get dust and other contaminants into the gears and lens area. Not only that, but if it is in your pocket and you accidentally turn it on while taking something else out, the camera may not be smart enough to notice it can't extend the lens. This can burn out your camera. Not to mention waste battery power.

2. Plastic and metal gears are relatively redundant. For the most part, the manufacturer does not mention this spec, so most of the statements must be made by people who have taken their camera apart, right? Yeah, right...

3. Software which allows you to control the camera from the computer is not a necessity... It's nice, but not something you really really need. The DC 260 had it... the Nikon 990 doesn't...

4. Lens attachemtns are something that can expand your photography. If you think you will want them, make sure your camera can handle them. The DC260 (and other outside-the-casing lens cameras) need a sleeve to fit over the lens before attaching extras. This means you will get vignetting depending on how you have the zoom set for your shot.

5. Macros can be fun. If you think you will play with this feature (which can be really, really neat) make sure your camera can handle it. If it cannot, you will limit the possibilities.

6. wear it. I mean it! Try it around your neck... see if it is bulky in your pocket (with the sales guys permission, of course) I mean, this is something you want to take with you on a hike, slip into your pocket to go to a party and have on hand when you are on the town. If it looks like a pack of ciggarettes stuck on the end of a coke can, (Sorry, Sony) then it will probably be bulky and uncomfortable.

7. Can you attach an external flash unit to it? You may not want to at first, but over time you may want to play a bit, especially if you get bitten by the photography bug after playing with a well made digital camera.

8. Can you use off-the-counter batteries. A few cameras force you to use proprietory batteries (Nikon 995) and this means you have to shell out more money to get another battery. The 995 battery costs $70 here in Canada... a 4=pack of AA's are $12.00. Do the math.

9. Choose your storage. Nowadays its not enough to commit to compact flash, smart immedia or Sony memory sticks. Now you must contend yourself with compact flash 1 or 2... Thjis is mostly important if you absolutely feel the need to consider the IBM Microdrive. Personally, you can buy 5 or 6 of the 64 Meg Compact Flash cards for the same price as a Microdrive.

I started with the Kodak DC360, mostly because of a great deal that came along. I took over 19000 pictures with it. I got as many of the extras as I could afford, but noticed a few things lacking. Since then I got the Nikon 990. It offered the most features, but what really impressed me at the time was that it held its value in the stores for a lot longer than the others which came out. Over half a year since it came out, it only dropped $400 (CDN) Other models were replaced almost weekly, but the Nikons seem to have more staying power. Then there were the features, which are too numerous to mention. Now I am slowly learning to play with features I didn't really need when I bought it.

What I am trying to say, I guess, is do your research and, if at all possible, get a camera which is a bit more than you immediatly want. Grow into it... but try to postpone growing out of it.
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post #24 of 118
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That sounds like wise advice. Thank you all.

People seem to like Sonys and Kodaks around here. What do you think of the Canon A40? A good choice? or should I look again at the Nikon 885, or Digital Elph?

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The Canon A40 appears to be a good starting camera. You may grow out of it eventually, though.

First, according to Steves Digicams page it only saves as jpegs. Roughly transalated: Don't expect to sell too many phots.

Second... the memory card is easy to get to... you don't have to take it off the tripod to do so (which was the most annoying thing about one of the older Nikons) You will, however, have to take it off a tripod to change batteries, though. Of course, this all depends on whether you use tripods... 8^)

Third. The macro is good to 10.2 inches. If I am not mistaken, most Nikons can go as small as an inch or less. It depends if you think you might use this feature.

Fourth. The different lenses fit using an adapter. If you can, see how this adapter works and decide if you would be comfortable with it.

Considering the ELPH series, I dunno... they look far too small to be comfortable to use. And they have a proprietary battery...

In your case, however, it all depends on your needs. If the price difference between the two is $100 or so, I would get the A40, simply because it does offer more expansion and is slightly larger. It also uses normal batteries. In whatever case, the things you buy after you get your camera to make taking pictures easier (cards, lenses, batteries) will most likely affect your next purchase a few years from now.

But if you are considering the NIkon 885. Well... those will always be my favorite. Great features... Tiff saving (no compression) Super close Macro (1.6 inches) Manual operations (Don't knoock it... some cameras are fully automatic... Sometimes you want total control) In most areas, this camera has similar settings to Nikon's film cameras. The major drawbacks (to me) are the proprietary battery and method of mounting the lenses. The major niceties are the fact that the different lenses, cables and even the battery are used with the 995 as well. This means if you upgrade in that direction in the future a lot of these items may be used with the next camera.

Between the Canon A40 and Nikon 885... I would get the Nikon...
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Take a good look at the Canon S30 or S40.
These can be used for automatic point and shoot or you can have total manual control.
A ton of features for the money.
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[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>What do you think of the Canon A40? ... or should I look again at the Nikon 885, or Digital Elph?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mandricard: I still think the A40 would be an excellent choice. nosarious gives a good rundown of some of its advantages above. The larger more ergonomic grip, the standards AA batteries and the possibility of accessory lenses certainly set the A40 apart from the smaller Canons and other cameras in that price range. If you do go for a smaller Canon, you should strongly consider the new <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canondigitalixus330/" target="_blank">PowerShot S330</a>, which at $400 street price is a very good deal and still features a 3x zoom lens instead of the 2x in the tiny S110 Digital Elph.

nosarious also makes the excellent point that "it is far nicer to grow into your camera than out of it." However, because digital cameras are evolving so quickly and prices are coming down every month, it may be perfectly fine to get a camera that you will outgrow. My suggestion is that you get a camera like the A40 or the S330 now, and get a digital SLR (a "real" camera) when they are more affordable.

Finally, don't let my Canon-owner bias dissuade you from the Nikon 885. From what I understand it is a good camera. I just think that the color quality is better in the low-end/consumer Canons than in low-end Nikons.

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I can only add my opinion, but I just got a Canon S30 and it's *great*. I was deciding between it and the Elph and at $50 CDN more I'm very happy chose the S30. The skies are a bit purplish, but I believe the S40 has fixed this (and there's a photoshop action you can use too). You can check out the <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/orque/PhotoAlbum3.html" target="_blank">first roll</a> I took last week for an idea of quality. And yes, it works perfectly with OS X.
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The Nikon CP 885 and Canon PowerShot A40 are not in the same category. One is a fairly expensive 3.3 megapixel camera and the other is a fairly inexpensive 2 megapixel camera.

If you know you will never print any 8x10s, I say go with the Canon. Canon consumer digitals are just built better than Nikons.

The Canon Digital Elph S330 is a great camera... something I would buy for myself. I would not buy a Nikon CP 885. If you are going for something in the Nikon's price range, I would seriously consider the Olympus C-3020Z.

The Olympus will have the biggest, fastest lens of them all, and is the same price as the Nikon at B&H.
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I'm certainly no expert, but I've been enjoying my Sony DSC-P71. It's a nice size which means I bring it with me more often than not and the batteries seem to last for a decent amount of time. It came with a 16mb memory stick, and rechargable batteries. It's 3.2 megapixels and I got mine for 350.00
post #31 of 118
mandricard, why dont you go to a store and play with a few cameras? you wont be able to print anything out, but at least find one that feels comfortable in you hand and you like the features, ease of use, etc.

if i had to buy another camera, i'd still get a sony. my second choice would be olympus. then third would be nikon.
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I have done that, thanks for the suggestion, Mac's Girl. Yet, as I am sure you know, playing with a camera in a store (Where most are generally not functional to begin with) can only give me a little idea of what is going on with them, especially in terms of features. At this point, being a novice with their menu paradigms I am still a little in the dark.

Ryukyu: Did you mean S40, not A40? What is the difference? I have not seen the S40.

To All: I am also a little concerned with the associated costs of these cameras, and the impossibility of using regular batteries in a pinch. How much additional to what I spend on a camera should I expect to spend on associated accoutrements (extra batteries, memory, etc.)?

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mandricard: so you really couldnt rule any of them in/out by trying them out, eh? hmmm. those menus can be confusing, but it took me a week of just taking pictures of "nothing" to experiment and figure it out. you'll get the hang of it too.

i would avoid any cameras that take regular batteries only. my cousin got one and now regrets it. mine has some kind of rechargeable battery (lithium?) that has never run out on me, and recharges easily too. i never felt the need to buy a spare battery. maybe just alott yourself an extra $100 to buy a bigger memory card. that should be more than enough.

btw, you shouldnt obsess over it this much. it's like asking, what's better, a mercedes, a bmw, or an audi. you couldnt go wrong with either of these fine german cars, so it would just be a matter of stylistic preference and other small features. you have several good, sound choices for your camera purchase, so just pick the one you like. with all else being equal, i finally picked my 3.3 mp model over the model i wanted cuz it was silver and prettier (the other was black) and had an unlimited mpeg movie mode (intead of a 40-second maximum). but you wont go wrong with any good reputable camera.
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post #34 of 118
[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>Ryukyu: Did you mean S40, not A40? What is the difference? I have not seen the S40.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Check out this <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons40/" target="_blank">review of the PowerShot S40</a> at DP Review. The S40 is basically a shrunk down version of the prosumer G2. It has 4MP, so your files will be twice as big, but you'll also have twice the resolution for scaling and cropping. It won't have the accessory lenses of the A40, but will have higher picture quality due to higher resolution.

Mandricard: I have to admit that in this day and age, 2MP like in the A40 may be on the low end if you want to print a lot of 8x10s and larger pictures. The S30 or S40 would definitely give you a resolution edge. Especially for someone like you, who is used to dealing with gargantuan image files, more pixels (i.e. 3-4MP) may be an important factor. But if you just want to take pictures for the web, a 2MP will be more than enough.

[quote]<strong>How much additional to what I spend on a camera should I expect to spend on associated accoutrements (extra batteries, memory, etc.)?</strong><hr></blockquote>

A set of 4 AA NiMH rechargeables with a good charger will cost you about $30-50. Check out <a href="http://www.greenbatteries.com" target="_blank">www.greenbatteries.com</a> for example. If your camera uses proprietary batteries, you'll probably have to spend more. Even if your camera comes with one battery pack and a charger, you'll have to buy a second battery (a) because you wont be able to use AAs in a pinch and (b) because most proprietary batteries have lower capacity than a set of AAs (and you don't want to run out of juice when the bride kisses the groom or the crocodile bites the hunter).

The cost of memory cards will depend on the kind used (Compact Flash, Memory Stick or Smart Media). CF is still the cheapest per MB. You can easily get good cards for less than 50c/MB, e.g. a 128MB CF card for $60. That's why I excluded non-CF compatible cameras very quickly in my search. Note, however, that memory prices are falling precipitously for all flash memory formats.

Obviously, the larger the card, the more pictures it will hold. I went all out and got a 128MB card even though they were still well above $100 at the time. But I never regreted the investment because I could take close to 140 images at the highest resolution and lowest compression with my 2MP A20. It's nice not to have to select and delete pictures in the field. It is sometimes difficult to tell whether the autofocus did a good job on your camera's tiny LCD.

In conclusion, I believe that any $4-500 camera you get now will have a hard time satisfying you in the long run. (I remember what you told me last Spring about the low quality of dital camera images compared to scans from film.) So as long as you don't get any of the cheap entry-level cameras, you should be fine.

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post #35 of 118
Yeah, I bought the Powerhaus charger with 8 GP 1800 mAh batteries and I've been very happy.

With a 3.3 megapxiel camera, you'll definitely want at least a 128 MB card.

I would still put the Olympus C-3020Z at the top of my list, despite the fact that it uses SmartMedia instead of CompactFlash. It's the best camera in its price range for image quality alone. It has great aperture priority from f/2.8-f/11...

The Nikon 885 and Canon S-series and A-series have only f/2.8-f/4.9

The Olympus C-3020Z also uses AA batteries, unlike the Nikon 885 and Canon S-series.
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post #36 of 118
I got a Pentax Optio 330 a few months ago after playing with a friend's over christmas. It is pretty sweet. It's small like the Elphs (which is what I was going to get before I saw my friend's camera) and is 3.3 Mpxl. Works great with iPhoto as well. There was some promo on it with a $100 rebate. I don't know. Worth looking at if you haven't already. I carry it around in my pocket on trips and it has done pretty well.
post #37 of 118
I recently had a look at Amazon.com, after resisting my urge to shop around for a few weeks. It's really nice to see how dramatically digital camera prices have fallen since last year. For example, you can get:

* <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006412G/qid=1020436134/br=1-12/ref=br_lf_p_12/102-8716758-6569739" target="_blank">Canon PowerShot A40 for $300</a>
* <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000645C9/qid=1020436134/br=1-7/ref=br_lf_p_7/102-8716758-6569739" target="_blank">Canon PowerShot S200 Digital Elph for $350</a>
* <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000645C8/qid=1020436134/br=1-1/ref=br_lf_p_1/102-8716758-6569739" target="_blank">Canon PowerShot S330 Digital Elph for $400</a> and
* <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QFZG/qid=1020436496/br=1-2/ref=br_lf_p_2/102-8716758-6569739" target="_blank">Canon PowerShot S40 for $600</a>

Mandricard: At this point, you simply have to decide whether you want to spend more or less than you planned. My suggestion is that you spend less, and then get a better model once you are more familiar with digital cameras.

Last year, the cheapest DSLR with interchangeable lenses (Canon D30) cost $3000. This year, there are two DSLRs at $2000 (Canon D60 and Nikon D100). Who knows how low they will go in 2003. The prices for the mass-produced low-end consumer cameras have fallen further than the prices for high-end consumer, prosumer and professional digital cameras. In my opinion, the argment for getting in at the more affordable low end now is strong.

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post #38 of 118
Has anyone here had any personal experiences with the Nikon Coolpix 995?

I have seen it for a good (that is good for the U.K.) price of £405, and I am tempted. The review at dpreview.com is v. impressive. Thanks in advance.

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post #39 of 118
It's a little out of the required price range, but given the discussion on other cameras here, I'd like to add a vote for the Canon G2.

I recently replaced my battle-weary G1 with the G2 and a 1GB MicroDrive.

It's a wonderful camera, though the manual focus system takes a little work. The battery life is outstanding. I carry my camera almost all the time, and can fill the disk (512 JPEGs at maximum resolution) before having to recharge the battery.
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post #40 of 118
Eugene, I am just curious, you seem to have a general aversion towards Nikon cameras. What brings this on? I am only asking because some of their models are indeed highly rated.

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