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post #1 of 22
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I Assume that because the iPod is a drive, that it gets fragmented. Is there a way to defrag it to make it run faster and clean up some space, and would it even make sense to do this?
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post #2 of 22
Could you not put it into harddisk mode and defrag it using a defrag utility, the same way you would defrag any other drive?
post #3 of 22
Hmmm... Interesting. Anyway. The iPod's OS automaticallt blocked part of its hard drive to prevent your computer to erase the iPod's playable music files, so your defrag programs might be having some problems with the iPod.

I think that you should talk to Apple regarding this, they have a place where you can sent feedback to.
post #4 of 22
so it is impossible to defrag the iPod completely?

I use mine every day to carry gigs of stuff around, and anything you can tell I can do to defrag it and up performance I would be greatful for!
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post #5 of 22
Here's the thing:

the music portion is meant to be copied directly form your lbrary as a whole. Thus, unless you delete songs and fill up the spaces with others, there's no fragmentation.

The HD portion can be dfragged like any HD.
post #6 of 22
[quote]Originally posted by cdhostage:
[QB]Thus, unless you delete songs and fill up the spaces with others, there's no fragmentation.

QB]<hr></blockquote>

There are other ways a drive can get fragmented. Just the head scanning over the magnetic data causes fragmentation.
post #7 of 22
My iPod isn't backed up (I don't have space, my IBM 45GXP crashed. Does anyone know who I can ***** and moan to, to get my money back!? Even Data Rescue isn't seeing my 45 gigs of data, though it shows up as blank on my Desktop)

So if I use TechTool Pro 3.0.6 to defragment the iPod, nothing bad will happen? Has anyone else done this?


Edit: my 45GXP was in a Mad Logix "Alien" firewire case. They said they couldn't help me. It crashed many months ago, but I absolutely have to get that 45 gigs of data back eventually, and I am feeling very helpless now. I wish all hard drives could be built like the iPod's! The thing had been dropped on pavement TWICE months ago, with two chipped corners (that is sad looking, sniffle) and it works great!

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post #8 of 22
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[quote]Originally posted by Aquatik:
[QB]My iPod isn't backed up (I don't have space, my IBM 45GXP crashed. Does anyone know who I can ***** and moan to, to get my money back!? Even Data Rescue isn't seeing my 45 gigs of data, though it shows up as blank on my Desktop)

So if I use TechTool Pro 3.0.6 to defragment the iPod, nothing bad will happen? Has anyone else done this?


Edit: my 45GXP was in a Mad Logix "Alien" firewire case. They said they couldn't help me. It crashed many months ago, but I absolutely have to get that 45 gigs of data back eventually, and I am feeling very helpless now. I wish all hard drives could be built like the iPod's! The thing had been dropped on pavement TWICE months ago, with two chipped corners (that is sad looking, sniffle) and it works great!<hr></blockquote>

Have you taken your drive to a profesional data recovery place? Usally they can find just about anything left on it, as long a it hasn't been written over. But that kind of recovery = big bucks.

As for hte iPod, I'm still a bit hesitent, be will probally play around with defraging it later.
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post #9 of 22
Thanks in advance for the results Dogcow.

DriverSavers, I'm sure they get it done. But for $800! Caramba! So do you think IBM would help me? I hate IBM now.
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post #10 of 22
Dogcow did you defrag your iPod?

I wonder how that copy protection works, just using ResEdit to try to make the folders visible didn't work, if I recall right. Podmaster can do it though, and their structure is weird. If someone doesn't, then I will write a hack for iTunes to allow iPod copying. It's very annoying.

I'd just like to say, WOW iPods are awesome.

We need another thing like this!
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post #11 of 22
Dogcow did you defrag your iPod?
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post #12 of 22
defraging your ipod's drive would make it unrecognizable to your ipod's firmware- your best bet to speed up performance is to take the drive out and use some windex to polish up the platters.
post #13 of 22
Are you sure? I thought you were supposed to use a microwave. Something about compressed air too...
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post #14 of 22
I've defragged my iPod with Norton Speed Disk a couple times... no problems at all although I don't think it made anything faster.
post #15 of 22
[quote]Originally posted by janitor:
<strong>defraging your ipod's drive would make it unrecognizable to your ipod's firmware- your best bet to speed up performance is to take the drive out and use some windex to polish up the platters.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why waste Windex. Just get some bleach and water and soak it for a couple hours, that should clean it right up.

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post #16 of 22
for me, i had my iPod set for manual control. it took me a couple of tries to realize, but when you defragment your iPod (with Windows' default defrag.exe), the estimated percentage does not show up, but things do get moved around in the space that shows disk space. after a while, the percentage will come up, it will defrag very slowly. it will go through the songs first, then the movies, then your picture thumbnails. this is a long process, seemingly hopeless, but very useful if you are patient. have a nice day :-)
post #17 of 22
I always defrag my iPod nano after I upload a mass amount of songs on it. It just keeps everything nice and steady. I defragged my friend's 30GB 5.5G iPod and it worked better than before (everything was smooth and such). Doesn't take long and it helps a lot. Hasn't harmed anything, too.
post #18 of 22
I started defragging my ipod (4g) once but it was taking a massive amount of time and also it seemed to get hotter than usual so i aborted the process. It didn't do it any harm anyway. I guess one way to defrag your iPod would be too uncheck all the songs in iTunes, let the iPod sync, and then recheck them and sync. This should copy everyuthing back 'whole'.
post #19 of 22
are you people serious?

and defraging a NANO AFTER uploading songs to it!!

to the OP, if your data is important to you and from what i read, seems to ONLY exist on the iPod then surely you should focus on getting the data OFF the iPod and backed up somewhere else FIRST.
post #20 of 22
I defrag my iPod classic every 2 weeks with Auslogics Disk Defrag because the Windows one is very slow and i notice that it is faster to load songs, videos and the album art. Defragging iPod Nanos and other flash based iPods is a waste of time because it is the same speed to read a non fragmented file than it is a fragmented file because flash does not have moving heads that have to find different parts of a file unlike the hard disk based models.
post #21 of 22
Defrag programs should only be used where it's less feasible to move all the files off the drive and put them back again. If you just format the ipod, or restore it, it will wipe the data meaning the drive has completely contiguous allocation space. On copying data back onto the drive, it will copy it back in well ordered chunks.

To get this order, defrag programs just take chunks and shift them around using the free space on the drive. If you imagine the Towers of Hanoi game, it's kind of the same thing. It's so much easier to complete the game if you just take all the pieces off the board and put them back in order. To get the same result, a defrag has to go through so many more steps so it takes longer and it heats up the ipod.
post #22 of 22
Good lord, defragging is useless in most cases to begin with*, and you guys are worried about defragging an *iPod*?? (Okay, so this thread is from 2002 originally, but yeesh.)

As pointed out, defragging a flash based drive is pointless, and I can't imagine a non-boundarycase scenario where it would be actually useful for the Classic iPods. Dear Windows guys: not every drive needs to be defragged on a regular basis. Love, Kickaha.

the cool gut, you said: "There are other ways a drive can get fragmented. Just the head scanning over the magnetic data causes fragmentation." Could you elaborate? I think we have different definitions of the word 'fragmentation' here.

*MacOS X defrags all files under 20MB in size on the fly, and keeps a list of hotfiles that are best kept close to one another for related use, *and* takes into account the drive that you're working with. Many defrag tools are about as bright as a box of rocks, and can, by working against the logic on the drive firmware**, significantly slow down that read speed you think you're getting. If you're on a Windows PC, of course, it's still a necessity for optimizing performance. On a Mac though? The only people I can suggest need to do this (beyond a placebo effect) are those who are working with very large high-def video files in non-linear editing suites. Those can really tax a drive system if the files are scattered hither and yon.

**Most drives sold today do a decent job of laying out the files so that they are as fast as possible given the rpms, the head movement parameters, etc - in other words the fastest access/read times may *not* be accomplished by putting the blocks in strict physical order. Tools that override this logic to present a totalitarian physical layout to the user are working *against* the device, not with it. It seems to make some users happy though, so what the hell, right?
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