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Rumor: Design of Apple's new big-screen iPhone will be cross between iPhone 5c & 7th-gen iPod nano

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With Apple widely expected to launch a new, larger iPhone model this year, a new report claims the external design will take numerous cues from the company's mid-range iPhone 5c, as well as its seventh-generation iPod nano.

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Alleged details on Apple's plans for this year's iPhone lineup were published on Tuesday by Japanese blog Macotakara. Citing a trusted source, author Danbo said that Apple has designed two larger iPhone models, sporting 4.7- and 5.7-inch displays, which are final candidates for launch later this year.

The anticipated larger iPhone is rumored to be a high-end iPhone 5c, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will continue to have a plastic back, as the iPod nano achieves its colors with anodized aluminum.The new models are apparently a cross between the design of the iPhone 5c and the seventh-generation iPod nano. According to the source, the new, larger iPhone won't be a replacement for the existing iPhone 5c, but will be akin to a higher-end model.

The report gave no indication that the bigger iPhone 5c model will sport the same polycarbonate plastic back as the current model, instead suggesting that Apple would take design cues from its latest iPod nano. Like the iPhone 5c, the seventh-generation iPod nano comes in a range of colors, but does so with an anodized aluminum body rather than plastic.

The new model is reportedly expected to have similar button shapes for volume and mute as the iPhone 5c, as well as the same rounded back edges. In addition, it was said that the holes on the bottom of the handset for speaker and microphone will also follow the design established by the iPhone 5c.

The larger 5.7-inch model is said to be 7 millimeters thick, which would be a half-millimeter thinner than the iPad Air. This thinness would reportedly require the rear iSight camera to protrude slightly from the case, much like with the fifth-generation iPod nano.



The report said it's possible that the phone could become thicker before release to prevent this protrusion. It was said that the iPad Air was also first developed with a thickness of 7 millimeters, but was eventually expanded to 7.5 millimeters.

Macotakara has a respectable track record in predicting Apple's future iPhone plans. Last year, the site's sources revealed the 2013 iPhone lineup would come in a new range of colors, and it was also the first to claim that the iPhone 5s would feature a dual LED flash for more natural looking photos.

The site also was first to state that the new pill-shaped flash module would be accompanied by a circular rear-facing microphone located between the flash and the iSight camera lens.
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The design cues they're taking sound more like they're inspired by the iPod Touch than a hybrid of the 5c and Nano.

Which is somewhat believable, though colour me a pastel shade of sceptical.

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Anyone ran the numbers; how will a 4.7- and 5.7-inch display affect the OS? Will we get an extra row of app icons, both vertically and horizontally?

How will they cut this display size from the display sheets? There was an article on this site about why the 4" had the AR it has, but alas, I can't find it.
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OK, now I've seen the dumbest story so far this year on AI.

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I like those rumors, the sums of all those things gives a good idea of whats coming.

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How are we to believe that Apple will release a larger iPhone - one that will presumably be more expensive than a 5s - by combining properties from two of their low cost products? 

 

I'm pretty sure taping a Ford Focus to a Taurus wouldn't create a BMW.

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I wonder if they go thin enough to the point that they shrink the headphone jack to maybe 2.5 or 3 & a complete overhaul of their EarPods! Would the industry be ready to go that small!? I know 2.5m has been around just wondering how it would be accepted as the norm lol
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Making a funnier, more colorful high end iPhone would be a great turn in the market. Most top of the line smartphones are very serious and either black or white. Lumias are nicely colored. It could revitalize the market.
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Who makes this stuff up? Really. Like watching Between Two Ferns except people believe it.
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The fifth generation iPod nano camera DID NOT protrude from the case surface.

I hope Apple would never go with such a miserable design compromise, which the likes of Samsung and HTC seem so willing to accept. Always execrable excrescences, those camera blebs.

Edit: Macotakara says it was the iPod touch 5th generation that had a lens that "shoots out a little" from the case. Izzat true? Anyway, AI got this part of the original story wrong.
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The 5c may not have been resounding success, but Apple learned a lot.

I would not mind a polycarbonate cased phone. What was surprising to me was that it was almost a copy of the 5. I think that was a mistake. Had the 5c been an improvement to the 5, It would have sold much better.

If the larger phone comes out in polycarbonate and is a big improvement, it will sell very well. Apple will continue to produce the best product for its customers and they will accordingly buy it. I really want to see operational improvements - not case changes. A new microphone / speaker is needed. The phone calls are not easy to hear.

I am waiting to buy my next Mac until after the next products are released. This one keeps on working after 4 years.

I realize that if i buy the current generation Mac, it will be good for 2-3 years technology wise and will work longer. I just like tech. I do not have to have it. I substitute it for golf at which I am not very good.
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The 5c may not have been resounding success, but Apple learned a lot.

I would not mind a polycarbonate cased phone. What was surprising to me was that it was almost a copy of the 5. I think that was a mistake. Had the 5c been an improvement to the 5, It would have sold much better.

If the larger phone comes out in polycarbonate and is a big improvement, it will sell very well. Apple will continue to produce the best product for its customers and they will accordingly buy it. I really want to see operational improvements - not case changes. A new microphone / speaker is needed. The phone calls are not easy to hear.

I am waiting to buy my next Mac until after the next products are released. This one keeps on working after 4 years.

I realize that if i buy the current generation Mac, it will be good for 2-3 years technology wise and will work longer. I just like tech. I do not have to have it. I substitute it for golf at which I am not very good.
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What happened to the 4.8" iPhone we were supposed to see last June? 1wink.gif
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/20/rumor-apple-to-debut-48-iphone-math-device-alongside-next-gen-iphone-in-june

Although this prediction was quite accurate:

"A recent report from well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo noted that the next-generation iPhone will likely include a fingerprint scanner built into the home button. He also expects a more affordable iPhone range to debut in the third quarter of 2013. The new model will be similar in design to the iPhone 5 but will replace the expensive aluminum chassis with a polycarbonate version available in six different colorways."
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What happened to the 4.8" iPhone we were supposed to see last June? 1wink.gif
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/20/rumor-apple-to-debut-48-iphone-math-device-alongside-next-gen-iphone-in-june

It's changed since 3 weeks ago:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/162097/rumor-apple-working-on-4-7-5-6-iphones-for-release-in-q3-2014

I noted a list of sizes we'd had already on that page, 5.7" is new. There's only 5.2", 5.3", 5.4" left before it's a full house.

I guess the reason we have these numbers and no photos is that the workers won't be able to take cameras into work but will talk about what they've seen. The trouble is, they can say anything and reporters can say anything so there's not much point in reporting it. Unless the consensus is one particular size and not every imaginable size then it's meaningless information.
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It's changed since 3 weeks ago:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/162097/rumor-apple-working-on-4-7-5-6-iphones-for-release-in-q3-2014

I noted a list of sizes we'd had already on that page, 5.7" is new. There's only 5.2", 5.3", 5.4" left before it's a full house.

I guess the reason we have these numbers and no photos is that the workers won't be able to take cameras into work but will talk about what they've seen. The trouble is, they can say anything and reporters can say anything so there's not much point in reporting it. Unless the consensus is one particular size and not every imaginable size then it's meaningless information.

I don't know if this is something you have influence over, but I think it'd be really nice to see a 'rumor roundup' article once a month that gave a summary and comparison of the various theories going round. Would make it a lot easier to see which ones are more credible (i.e, lots of separate sources reporting similar things) and which are just nonsense.

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Originally Posted by juniorthomas View Post

I'm pretty sure taping a Ford Focus to a Taurus wouldn't create a BMW.

 

Oh, we’ll see about that.

 

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post #17 of 78

I this this concept will likely look far more like the iPhone 6 than the description above.

 

 

 

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If they do decide to go with colors again I really hope they learned their lesson with color choice and go with darker tones. A deep navy blue, or dark wine maroon for example would be gorgeous with anodized aluminum. Colors were not the problem with the 5c it was the colors they chose which look far too kindergarten.

 

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I would love to see a new iPod line inspired by the 5C with data, perhaps voice?

Someone said the other day that there's the possibility of LTE-only android phones this year to decrease licensing, improve prospects for Verizon etc. over their limited CDMA networks. This could work.

A differentiated "iPhod" or "iPhablet" could definitely fill a demo on affordability (as opposed to an iPhone/iPad combo) and provide a longer leg for the iPod side of Apple's metaphorical stool.

The main questions I have are:
Can consumers comprehend a cheaper, larger-screened device without devaluing the iPhone?
Can Apple slot such a device into their pricing matrix?
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Colors were not the problem with the 5c it was the colors they chose which look far too kindergarten.


I second this... my son, who landed on a 5s, would have accepted a 5c had it been available in black.

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So basically these rumors are saying it's going to look like the Mi3 from Xiaomi? http://www.xiaomi.com/sg/mi3/#design

this one has a 5" screen (8mm Thin)...looks a lot like the iPod Nano.  one of my co-workers (in China) has this.  I've played with it.  it's just too big to hold in one hand.  and it's so thin and slippery (magnesium case) that you just can't grip it comfortably like you would the current iPhones.  You really have to hold it like a tablet.  Single-handed use would be totally out the window on something like this in a 5"+ screen.

 

 

 

I highly doubt that apple would design something that looks like a phone that's been on the market for nearly 6 months already.  I think they were getting the Nano confused with the iPod Touch.  that I could see.  But I really think on a phone this big, a metal back without some kind of grippy surface finish would be a mistake.  That's why i like the design of the 5c so much.  The plastic (yeah it's plastic) but it's really nice and shinny and grippy.  And I'm sure a leather case will also be available....you know, the ones like this year that get crazy dirty just by looking at it. :P

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Wasn't that speaker hole design established with the last iPod touch model?
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I wonder if they go thin enough to the point that they shrink the headphone jack to maybe 2.5 or 3 & a complete overhaul of their EarPods! Would the industry be ready to go that small!? I know 2.5m has been around just wondering how it would be accepted as the norm lol

I'm wondering with bluetooth 4.0 if we are able to ditch the headphone jack all together?  Or when?

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I'm wondering with bluetooth 4.0 if we are able to ditch the headphone jack all together?  Or when?


NOPE. Bluetooth 4 doesn’t have the bandwidth to carry sound of any meaningful quality, even 2.1 gives nowhere near the same quality as a wired connection. 

 

I refuse to give up a wired connection until I can’t hear a difference.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post  I've played with it.  it's just too big to hold in one hand.  

 

 

People that want a bigger display by and large don't care about one handed use. The advantages to me of a larger display far outweigh using it easily with one hand. For people that still need that particular feature Apple will very likely continue to offer a 4" version. Even with my iPhone 5s I tend to hold it with two hands far more often than with one hand since most of the apps I use either require landscape or look better in landscape. 

 

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Enough with this Phablet sized crap. That segment is a fad. I can see something short of 5", but not anything larger.
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NOPE. Bluetooth 4 doesn’t have the bandwidth to carry sound of any meaningful quality, even 2.1 gives nowhere near the same quality as a wired connection. 

 

I refuse to give up a wired connection until I can’t hear a difference.

Ahh - fair enough. I was thinking more battery use but of course audio quality is paramount for people who actually listen to music ( I tend to just listen to podcasts/itunes U)

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I'm wondering with bluetooth 4.0 if we are able to ditch the headphone jack all together?  Or when?

I bought a pair of stereo bluetooth headphones and they blow away the headset from Apple that came with my phone. Hard to describe except a richer and cleaner sound with deeper bass and also just range. It makes my music sound like it is going to CD from 64K.  Would they deliver better sound than some headphones that cost nearly as much as the phone? probably not which is expected but then again the great convenience of wireless and also the fact that they are cushioned and far more comfortable makes my bike rides a lot more pleasant.  I didn't buy any top of the line bluetooth headset either, I think they were around $40 on sale marked down from $60 but got great reviews on Amazon. They also have great mic input when I switch to voice calls and hearing phone calls in stereo sounds a lot better than using the phone. It is like they are in the room. 

 

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People that want a bigger display by and large don't care about one handed use. The advantages to me of a larger display far outweigh using it easily with one hand. For people that still need that particular feature Apple will very likely continue to offer a 4" version. Even with my iPhone 5s I tend to hold it with two hands far more often than with one hand since most of the apps I use either require landscape or look better in landscape. 

Agreed.  I wasn't saying it's a fail because the size isn't conducive to single-handed use.  just stating the obvious.  I too have the same issue with my 5s.  Despite the increased gesture based controls the tall screen is just a hair too long of a reach for my small man hands :P

That's where i differ from Gruber's argument that if a larger screen iPhone is the next Generation, there will not be a 2nd smaller screen option.  I think Apple will obviously offer the 5s in some modified version this year as the 5c replacement.  However, it's an interesting debate.  It's quite obvious now that the 5c was not a winner from the get-go  I personally like the design of the 5c over the 5s, but the price-point was too close to the 5s for it to be a viable lower-cost alternative.  if they wanted to do two models, they should have dropped the iPhone 4s and the 4 from the line-up and just had the two new ones, with the 5c at a $200 cheaper option to the 5s.  That i still hold from my theories before we even saw the 5c.  I think this 2 phone line-up:  a bigger screen "Pro" and cheaper smaller screen 4" should have been the 5s and 5c but I think the technology just wasn't there 6 months ago.  Now, this year I think it will make more sense to the consumer should Apple release 2 new phones.

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I bought a pair of stereo bluetooth headphones ...
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I'm a road biker myself, doing 15,000km/year and would like to know which kind these cheap BT earphones are. If you can post its brand or a link that would be great.
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Anyone ran the numbers; how will a 4.7- and 5.7-inch display affect the OS? Will we get an extra row of app icons, both vertically and horizontally?

There are too many unknowns with the sizes and resolutions. Neither the simple nor complex solutions seem Apple-like, but I do think a larger iPhone is coming.

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NOPE. Bluetooth 4 doesn’t have the bandwidth to carry sound of any meaningful quality, even 2.1 gives nowhere near the same quality as a wired connection. 

I refuse to give up a wired connection until I can’t hear a difference.

I think next iPhone may support H.265. That's a significant savings in file sizes for video. Is there anything for audio that could allow for a compression of about 50% for a given quality that could then allow BT headsets to be a feasible option?


PS: Apple could use wired headphones with biometrics. I don't think they would be included and may have to be in-ear (which I prefer).


edit: Scratch that. It just occurred to me that audio codecs are decompressed on the device, not at the ear so an improved AAC codec would only benefit the original download and storage of the file.

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Anyone ran the numbers; how will a 4.7- and 5.7-inch display affect the OS? Will we get an extra row of app icons, both vertically and horizontally?

There are too many unknowns with the sizes and resolutions. Neither the simple nor complex solutions seem Apple-like, but I do think a larger iPhone is coming.

If they're simply going to stretch the current display and create a similar experience to Android phone apps on a tablet...good luck with that. Besides, I think my current phone is already too large, so not interested in an even larger one. Many do though, so there's that. There's also a 7 generation long history of Apple keeping the same iPhone display width. With all the iPod models over the years one would think they're not going to change the iPhone display much, right?
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I bought a pair of stereo bluetooth headphones ...
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I'm a road biker myself, doing 15,000km/year and would like to know which kind these cheap BT earphones are. If you can post its brand or a link that would be great.

I am sure there are better ones than mine but I am extremely happy with them especially for the price. And I remembered the price incorrectly they were only around $20 which is great since at that price almost disposable but I was surprised just how good they sound. They are the Soundbot SB240

 

Good review here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgMYfEDF3E

 

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Anyone ran the numbers; how will a 4.7- and 5.7-inch display affect the OS? Will we get an extra row of app icons, both vertically and horizontally?

How will they cut this display size from the display sheets? There was an article on this site about why the 4" had the AR it has, but alas, I can't find it.

 

To me, the big question is the impact this will have on the iOS developer community.  Remember, when they made the 4" screen for the iP5, they told developers that they didn't have to do anything, but if  they wanted to, it was relatively easy.  Apple would have to pull the same stunt again if they changed the resolution of the iPhone 4.7" (which means now three resolution types for iPhone, and two for iPad).

 

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If they're simply going to stretch the current display and create a similar experience to Android phone apps on a tablet...good luck with that. Besides, I think my current phone is already too large, so not interested in an even larger one. Many do though, so there's that. There's also a 7 generation long history of Apple keeping the same iPhone display width. With all the iPod models over the years one would think they're not going to change the iPhone display much, right?

1) I'm not interested in a larger phone but I am interested in a larger display. That said, I don't think they can pull off another iPhone 4S to iPhone 5 scenario where I got a larger display in a smaller volume device.

2) My feeling is they'll have to redo the UI to accommodate for a larger display and then everything else can trickle down from there, like the iPad Air being the display resolution used in the iPad mini, something that can only feasibly scale down and not up.

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To me, the big question is the impact this will have on the iOS developer community.  Remember, when they made the 4" screen for the iP5, they told developers that they didn't have to do anything, but if  they wanted to, it was relatively easy.  Apple would have to pull the same stunt again if they changed the resolution of the iPhone 4.7" (which means now three resolution types for iPhone, and two for iPad).

As much as the iOS community is about the customers, it is also about the developers and keeping that community vibrant and exciting.

But if they keep 16:9 aspect ratio and increase pixels on both axes we might get the same solution but instead of letter boxing the top and bottom we could get a boxing frame around the device. They could also incorporate a zoom, but I have doubts about that since Apple likes to the keep the pixels perfect.

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The 5S is a failure. Apple is not going to take design cues from a failed design.
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Ahh - fair enough. I was thinking more battery use but of course audio quality is paramount for people who actually listen to music ( I tend to just listen to podcasts/itunes U)

iTunes music is 256kbps and Bluetooth A2DP audio allows bandwidth up to 768kbps, so with a good, stable connection (and adequate buffering) there should be more than enough bandwidth for good audio playback.

 

Obviously if you want higher quality or lossless (1411kbps) playback then you'll run into increasing degredation problems, but Bluetooth will certainly be adequate for spoken word podcasts and iTunes U which are often encoded at 128kbps or less.

 

In my experience the problems with Bluetooth headphones are more related to the build quality and robustness than either sound quality or battery life.

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I would love to see a larger iPhone that uses a 16:10 instead of 16:9. I find myself needing more width of the display in landscape than height. And  since a larger display will likely get a lot more landscape use that extra bit would mean a lot less scrolling. Yeah I get that for videos 16:9 makes more sense but I wonder what percentage of use is dedicated to watching videos vs. using normal apps in landscape. 

 

This also applies to computer monitors. I used to have a 30" 16:10 and had to replace it with a 30" 16:9 because I couldn't find any with 16:10 over 23" on sale anymore and it feels like a much smaller monitor. I really miss that added height. I have a lot of extra space on the sides that basically is unused. 

 

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