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I second this... my son, who landed on a 5s, would have accepted a 5c had it been available in black.

I'm pretty sure your/your son's behavior was exactly what Apple predicted and desired.

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The 5S is a failure. Apple is not going to take design cues from a failed design.

I assume you mean the 5C not the 5S.  And I think the reason it didn't meet sales expectations (but was far from a "failure") was the pricing, not the case design.  If Apple had cut the price of the 5C in half, they would have sold more than twice as many (and probably made less profit, even before factoring in that they would have sold few 5S models as well).

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As much as the iOS community is about the customers, it is also about the developers and keeping that community vibrant and exciting.

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1) I'm not interested in a larger phone but I am interested in a larger display. That said, I don't think they can pull off another iPhone 4S to iPhone 5 scenario where I got a larger display in a smaller volume device.

I'm with you on that one, and certainly won't be buying a larger FF iPhone than it is now. I care more for its portability than a larger screen.
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2) My feeling is they'll have to redo the UI to accommodate for a larger display and then everything else can trickle down from there, like the iPad Air being the display resolution used in the iPad mini, something that can only feasibly scale down and not up.

Scaling up was a perfectly understandable thing they did with the introduction of the iPad. Nowadays they shouldn't be doing that anymore, create a 'perfect' display size with a logical evolution of the screen AR and what is being displayed. The 4" screen made sense, which might've pissed off developers for creating yet another display size and AR, but hey, they survived (I think).
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The 5S is a failure. Apple is not going to take design cues from a failed design.

5C you mean?
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post
The 5S is a failure. Apple is not going to take design cues from a failed design.

 

lol. And lol if 5C.

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I'm with you on that one, and certainly won't be buying a larger FF iPhone than it is now. I care more for its portability than a larger screen.

I might buy a larger iPhone but I'll have to check it out first to make sure the tradeoffs are worthwhile for my needs. Basically the same thing with the iPad 3 over the iPad 2. I certainly didn't want it to be thicker and heavier but that Retina display was worth it for me.

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I think one reason Apple might have been hesitant to release a larger display is the fear that it will lower sales for the iPad. With a larger iPhone there might be less need for an iPad. I can only speak for myself  but if I had a 5" iPhone I would be far less likely to upgrade my iPad 4th gen or at least upgrade quite as frequently. I bought the iPad simply because the iPhone gets very frustrating to use since it is so small. There is quite a shock when you switch to an iPhone after using an iPad for a while. 

post #47 of 78
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I might buy a larger iPhone but I'll have to check it out first to make sure the tradeoffs are worthwhile for my needs.

Good point.
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Basically the same thing with the iPad 3 over the iPad 2. I certainly didn't want it to be thicker and heavier but that Retina display was worth it for me.

I did the same, albeit without the weight weighing in on my decision. (photography hobbyist here). You're using an iPad Air aren't you? Is the reduced weight really something 'useful'? I understand why people 'like' it, but is it worth trading in an iPad, again, for the latest and greatest? If I start doing that on every generation it'll set me back much more than from what I've read on the high value the US gives for last gen iPads. Or iPhones for that matter.
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post #48 of 78
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Making a funnier, more colorful high end iPhone would be a great turn in the market. Most top of the line smartphones are very serious and either black or white. Lumias are nicely colored. It could revitalize the market.

... yeah, like the Lumias did. < not >

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post #49 of 78
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I think one reason Apple might have been hesitant to release a larger display is the fear that it will lower sales for the iPad. With a larger iPhone there might be less need for an iPad. I can only speak for myself  but if I had a 5" iPhone I would be far less likely to upgrade my iPad 4th gen or at least upgrade quite as frequently. I bought the iPad simply because the iPhone gets very frustrating to use since it is so small. There is quite a shock when you switch to an iPhone after using an iPad for a while. 

Apple is never afraid of cannibalizing their own product sales with new products.. established fact.

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Apple is never afraid of cannibalizing their own product sales with new products.. established fact.

No one knows what Apple is thinking except for Apple. All we can do is speculate. The long rumored xMac that would have offered something between the Mac Pro and iMac more affordable is likely an area Apple didn't want to risk cannibalizing sales. But in this case an iPhone is a more expensive product than an iPad so less of an issue. 

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Apple's flagship device is not going to be plastic.

It's time for Liquid Metal to show up...

 

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I guess the reason we have these numbers and no photos is that the workers won't be able to take cameras into work but will talk about what they've seen. The trouble is, they can say anything and reporters can say anything so there's not much point in reporting it. Unless the consensus is one particular size and not every imaginable size then it's meaningless information.

 

They each could be seeing various prototypes being mocked up, and what they see may not even be iPhones but a new product for an unannounced market. Only Sir Johnny Ive knows.

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post #52 of 78
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I get that for videos 16:9 makes more sense but I wonder what percentage of use is dedicated to watching videos vs. using normal apps in landscape.

The consideration with a phone is that it has to be held in one hand to make a call so there is a restriction of some sort on the width. Once you decide on a comfortable width, then the best decision to make next is to maximize the display size vertically to a standard aspect but within reason (21:9 has been done but is a little extreme for pocketability). Given that Apple had settled on a comfortable physical width, the logical next step to increasing the display was to move from 3:2 to 16:9. If they still want to keep the comfortable width, the next step would be to try and maximize the display inside it or shrink the physical size to match the current display or a bit of both.

I'm still curious to see what they plan to do with the iPod line that is dying quickly. I think the iPod Touch needs to go and have a call-capable model replace it, possibly at a slightly higher price point.
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I might buy a larger iPhone but I'll have to check it out first to make sure the tradeoffs are worthwhile for my needs. Basically the same thing with the iPad 3 over the iPad 2. I certainly didn't want it to be thicker and heavier but that Retina display was worth it for me.

If you go for a larger screen (not necessarily a larger smartphone), you will never be able to come back to a smaller one... just like with desktop monitors.
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I assume you mean the 5C not the 5S.  And I think the reason it didn't meet sales expectations (but was far from a "failure") was the pricing, not the case design.  If Apple had cut the price of the 5C in half, they would have sold more than twice as many (and probably made less profit, even before factoring in that they would have sold few 5S models as well).

Either/or, the comment is still wrong. It's like saying a MLB hitter is a failure for only hitting .333 instead of .400.
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I'm still curious to see what they plan to do with the iPod line that is dying quickly. I think the iPod Touch needs to go and have a call-capable model replace it, possibly at a slightly higher price point.

 

The iPod Touch's price is stuck under a basic iPad Mini at this time, so I wouldn't think it could go up in price, but if they added a phone to it at its current price, it would be a hot item. A friend of mine bought a new iPod Touch and uses it like a phone when ever he's in a wifi zone; which is almost always. If the iPad Mini ever goes down in price, I'm not sure the iPod Touch could exist.

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post #56 of 78

I SOOOO hope not!

 

As it is, the current Nano rightly deserves criticism for aping the Nokia Lumia.

 

And it's not a nice look. At all.

 

Keep the dimensions, make it larger, and thin the bezel.

 

Anodize the aluminum, sure. That's nice.

 

I hope that's the ONLY thing that is similar to the current Nano.

 

The round icons - yuck. the Nokia Lumia look - yuck.

 

Current 5S - nice! Just refine it further.

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Originally Posted by 9secondko View Post

As it is, the current Nano rightly deserves criticism for aping the Nokia Lumia.

 

Pro tip: Guess where Nokia got that design.

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NOPE. Bluetooth 4 doesn’t have the bandwidth to carry sound of any meaningful quality, even 2.1 gives nowhere near the same quality as a wired connection. 

I refuse to give up a wired connection until I can’t hear a difference.
In earphones it should not matter however they still need the connection unless they start a 3.5 mm to lighting cord.

When apple came out with the iPod nano 7g I thought a simply stretched version to fit a larger screen (including thicker to fit the cellular/wifi chips) would have been great, of course I figured it to be the iPhone 5C design but it would still look great with such a design.
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I SOOOO hope not!

 

As it is, the current Nano rightly deserves criticism for aping the Nokia Lumia.

 

No way man. The 7th gen iPod nano is just a stretched 6th gen with a home button. The design language is basically identical between the 6th and 7th gen iPod nanos. They are basically extruded aluminum with an inset display with black border.

 

The Nokia N9/Lumia is an evolution of the N8 with a "bulbous" design language. To me at least. iPod nano 6 and 7 gen devices are flat on the back. Lumia's are a little rounded. They still have a slight hint of the dog ear seen in the N8 even. Look at the pictures below. The 6th gen iPod nano was a 2010 device, while the N9 is a 2011 device.

 

 

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Keep the dimensions, make it larger, and thin the bezel.

 

Anodize the aluminum, sure. That's nice.

 

I hope that's the ONLY thing that is similar to the current Nano.

 

The round icons - yuck. the Nokia Lumia look - yuck.

 

Current 5S - nice! Just refine it further.

 

You mean keep the shape of the 5/5s, not the dimensions. ;)

 

Agree with you on the round icons from the iPod nano. All these rumors of 4.7" and 5.7" iOS devices are quite sketchy to me. Apple's usually very good with producing something that is unique and not seen in the market, so I expect something different. If, indeed Apple is still on the 2 year cycle of refreshing the chassis for iPhones.

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I'm pretty sure taping a Ford Focus to a Taurus wouldn't create a BMW.

 

Awesome! 

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The 5c may not have been resounding success, but Apple learned a lot.

I would not mind a polycarbonate cased phone. What was surprising to me was that it was almost a copy of the 5. I think that was a mistake. Had the 5c been an improvement to the 5, It would have sold much better.

If the larger phone comes out in polycarbonate and is a big improvement, it will sell very well. Apple will continue to produce the best product for its customers and they will accordingly buy it. I really want to see operational improvements - not case changes. A new microphone / speaker is needed. The phone calls are not easy to hear.

I am waiting to buy my next Mac until after the next products are released. This one keeps on working after 4 years.

I realize that if i buy the current generation Mac, it will be good for 2-3 years technology wise and will work longer. I just like tech. I do not have to have it. I substitute it for golf at which I am not very good.

 

Apple spent $400,000,000 on a sapphire plant, and you're still thinking plastic? 

post #62 of 78
I don't think so. No way period. Apple has always improved design of the iPhone not gone backwards.
post #63 of 78

no, no more 4\4s\5\5s design strategy. it's very uncomfortable to hold and it looks boring!

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Originally Posted by dobqop View Post
it's very uncomfortable to hold and it looks boring!

 

Since neither of those are true, what would you prefer?

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Since neither of those are true, what would you prefer?

Probably sparkles, glitter, and fake gems.
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Probably sparkles, glitter, and fake gems.

 

Gotcha covered! But those are real gems. And real gold.

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But you have to admit. This one looks pretty darn gorgeous.

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post #67 of 78

The iPhone design could be more comfortable to hold.  I think the curvature of the iPhone 3G and 3GS felt better in my hand, and the plastic had a better grip to it.

 

I'm sure there must be a design possible that combines the higher quality materials and build quality of the latter iPhones with that better physical feel of the 3G and 3GS.

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post #68 of 78
The market is demanding a larger phone and no doubt Apple will provide it. There are so few iPhone users left in Hong Kong I'm getting lonely.
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Lost in all the talk about the iPhone 5c's lack of appeal on the street was the question of why Apple needed a new phone like the 5c? I think it was an attempt to break a production log jam that would have occurred if the 5s and the 5 were made at the same time. I believe Apple needs a simplier phone for it's second tier phone. The ramp up for the new model iPhone is the largest industrial production ramp in the world if you think about it. They are expecting to go from a standstill to making 750,000, $600 phones a day in a couple of months. Clearing a current complicated model off the deck to make way for the next model makes sense. Making a concurrent model that is easier to produce will reduce pressure on the production ramp. Using all the parts that are not supply constrained in the 6c (perhaps a new name here?) is a given.

The real genius Jony Ive has brought is designing something new that can be made on that scale. No wonder Apple has been hiring more engineers. The numbers on making 750,000 phones a day comes out to $450 million dollars worth of product a day. Apple would be able to make million iPhones in a year if they pulled that off. The 5s was made at 500,000 per day, and I believe the 5c was selling at 1/5th that rate or 100,000 a day. That would mean that Apple would be planning on making 25% more phones in 2014/2015 than in 2013/2014.

I think that is a pretty reasonable projection given this will be the first large screen iPhone, and many people will be looking to upgrade. The carriers are in the midst of a price war so expect them to continue to pay the cost on upgrades for customers with phones over a year old. A second tier phone that could be sold at $500 each and include large screen and the fingerprint sensor will open all kinds of doors for Apple to grow market share. Expect a new 128 Gig phone model as well because the screen real estate will require more storage and a bigger. battery.
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The market is demanding a larger phone and no doubt Apple will provide it. There are so few iPhone users left in Hong Kong I'm getting lonely.

The iPhones aren't depleting, China has a lot of people still to migrate from basic phones and Android phones being cheaper have a higher growth rate. The biggest carrier only started shipping iPhones in January:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304173704579261860481395236

"Tim Cook said, "We've been selling with China Mobile now for about a week. And last week was the best week for activations we've ever had in China."

In China itself, Coolpad ranked third with a market share of 11%, behind Samsung's 21% and Lenovo's 13%. Apple came in fifth with 6%.

analysts said the higher upfront costs of China Mobile's iPhone contracts—compared with those at other Chinese carriers—could deter many price-conscious consumers."

To gain volume in a more price-conscious region there just needs to be a cheaper model.
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like this one, with a wraparound crystal covered touch panel.

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I don’t know how I feel about that. I like the matte finish to the metal that they’ve been using forever.

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yeah, matte finish sure looks better

 

 

 

 

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The iPhone design could be more comfortable to hold.  I think the curvature of the iPhone 3G and 3GS felt better in my hand, and the plastic had a better grip to it.

I'm sure there must be a design possible that combines the higher quality materials and build quality of the latter iPhones with that better physical feel of the 3G and 3GS.

They're building cameras as much as they are phones. The squared-off 90-degree edges give your cameraphone many useful standing and mounting possibilities that would be impossible or awkward with the slippery shapes of the 3G type.

You can hold it steadier in hand as well. The feel is all about precision.
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They wouldn't actually need to make the top and bottom parts. If they were able to carve out sapphire in the shape of an iPod nano but hollow, they'd be able to slide the components into it from one end. They'd just need to cut holes for the camera (possibly not the camera at all but maybe the flash), home button, earphone and side buttons but the sapphire would be thin. To hold the insides in place would just need small indents drilled into the inside of the case that the insert with some pins could push into. Perhaps it would be safer to have metal tops and bottoms with rubber between them to help protect the glass from knocks. This kind of design would be almost impossible for 3rd parties to replicate.

However, this could easily revert back to the issues with the iPhone 4 design whereby dropping the device on concrete cracks the whole thing. With metal, it'll put a dent in it worst case and won't need a repair. Corning says it takes 3 times more force to break Gorilla glass 3 than sapphire. I suspect sapphire will be more scratch-resistant but it needs to be shatter resistant too. Metal is shatter resistant but more easily scratched. The choice on which material to use is down to what outcome the manufacturer prefers.

If you go on a picnic, do you take ceramic plates and glass cups? Metal cutlery is ok but typically you'd take plastic plates and cups because you are in a mobile scenario where breakage is more common.
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Yeah that sort of design:



although there would have to be large black areas at the top and bottom, possibly under the sapphire for the cameras and home button and I wouldn't expect the display to wrap around like that as it would waste too much battery. It might be too slippery to hold too (and cold).
post #78 of 78

I think, the big issue with the design you post is that it's uncomfortable to hold in landscape mode, and the sharp edge at the top will cut your ear when making phone calls.

anyway, no matter what kind of design apple choose, it should radically differentiate itself from its competitors, and WOW the industry again.

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