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[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong> Their next step will be to an on-chip memory controller with per-processor memory. </strong><hr></blockquote>

So that would be an NUMA architecture like the the upcoming AMD Opteron will use?

In AMDs case they had to ahve really fast fat pipe from processor to memory to overcome some of the inefficiencies of that setup. Will there be some kind of speed improvement on the Frontside bus of the new G4s
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Some interesting things I found when I did a little looking to understand NUMA

This seems to imply a really fast bus will be needed for a NUMA architecture to work well.

<a href="http://www.ebnews.com/digest/story/OEG20010124S0018" target="_blank">Article about AMD's use of NUMA</a>
[quote] Advanced Micro Devices will drop its current Athlon and Duron EV6 bus architecture for its upcoming 64-bit Hammer-series processors to allow for connecting large multiprocessing arrays, the Platform Conference was told Monday.

Bob Mitton, AMD marketing manager for workstations and servers, told the meeting here that the 64-bit processors will use a new NUMA (Non-Uniform Memory Access) bus which can link eight-way or more MPUs for high performance multiprocessing. NUMA uses AMD's projected LDT (Lightning Data Transport) controller to handle both the Northbridge memory and Southbridge I/O buses in an array of processors, he said.

Mitton asserted that NUMA is highly scalable and allows each processor to have full access to the processor bus bandwidth.

By contrast, he claimed Intel Corp.'s new IA-64 architecture for Itanium and the follow-on McKinley processors have a shared processor bus that divides the bandwidth among all the processors.

He conceded that in the NUMA scheme a CPU accessing memory at the far end of the multiprocessor array goes further to fetch data than on a shared bus, but claimed the much-faster LDT offsets any potential delay. <hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www-cad.eecs.berkeley.edu/~jimy/classes/cs294-4/numa_report.html" target="_blank">An explanation of NUMA</a>

This seems to imply that a significant tweak of the Unix Architecture to adapt to a NUMA architecture (so a chip change like programmer spoke of may well coincide with an OS update)
quoted from: <a href="http://www-flash.stanford.edu/Hive/papers/SIGMETRICS95/abstract.html" target="_blank">http://www-flash.stanford.edu/Hive/papers/SIGMETRICS95/abstract.html</a> (google cache)
[quote] Abstract: Memory System Performance of UNIX on CC-NUMA Multiprocessors
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This study characterizes the performance of a variant of UNIX SVR4 on a large shared-memory multiprocessor and analyzes the effects of possible OS and architectural changes. We use a nonintrusive cache miss monitor to trace the execution of an OS-intensive multiprogrammed workload on the Stanford DASH, a 32-CPU CC-NUMA multiprocessor (CC-NUMA multiprocessors have cache-coherent shared memory that is physically distributed across the machine). We find that our version of UNIX accounts for 24% of the workload's total execution time. A surprisingly large fraction of OS time (79%) is spent on memory system stalls, divided equally between instruction and data cache miss time. In analyzing techniques to reduce instruction cache miss stall time, we find that replication of only 7% of the OS code would allow 80% of instruction cache misses to be serviced locally on a CC-NUMA machine. For data cache misses, we find that a small number of routines account for 96% of OS data cache stall time. We find that most of these misses are coherence (communication) misses, and larger caches will not necessarily help. After presenting detailed performance data, we analyze the benefits of several OS changes and predict the effects of altering the cache configuration, degree of clustering, and cache coherence mechanism of the machine. <hr></blockquote>
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post #204 of 239
[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
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Er...well, listen to the wail of the Appleinsider and co post board banshees and draw your own RDF conclusions.
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I'm trying to figure out - are you part of the 15-17 year old "Appleinsider" group (the majority) who's parents buy their Mac's, or part of the 18-20 who should be studying instead of surfing? The wailing comes from kids having too much time on their hands.

Lemon Bon Bon - give it up! We understand you think PowerMacs aren't worth the money! The next time you have the urge to fill up a thread (and you have chosen many threads) with your "Mac's aren't worth the money because blah, blah, blah", take a walk instead.
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post #205 of 239
[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>I just read something which strongly implies that Motorola will not add DDR support to MPX, and it will not reach higher than 166 MHz (if it even gets there). Their next step will be to an on-chip memory controller with per-processor memory. No time frame was given. While not as factual as a press release from Motorola, this is a source I tend to believe (no I'm not going to publish a link), and yes it does shoot down The Register's 7460 / 7470 rumour.

If we are lucky then the on-chip memory controller will arrive very soon. Otherwise I expect that the next PowerMac will be an XServe in a new case.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Programmer,
Is this the same type of architecture that Dorsal M was talking about in his thread? The "per processor memory" seems to support the boxes Dorsal was working on. And Dorsal said they were "late Beta" machines, and hinted that they could be ready in the MWNY or late summer timeframe. Am I getting false hopes here? I sincerely hope not.
Thanks for the info!
post #206 of 239
Anyone seen the article on the UK register (www.theregister.co.uk) I know these guys publish every rumour they can get their hands on but still...... Or maybe I'm just dreaming ...again..... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #207 of 239
[quote]Originally posted by Thereubster:
<strong>Anyone seen the article on the UK register (www.theregister.co.uk) I know these guys publish every rumour they can get their hands on but still...... Or maybe I'm just dreaming ...again..... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Why are people so down on El Reg? They're one of very few unbiased IT who are happy poke fun at M$, Itanium & Jobs when it's deserved. They've been pointing out 2.4Ghz P4s (or whatever) is just hype for years too.

Remember, all news sites use the same sources. The Reg don't deal in rumours often. And there's nothing in the article that can't happen.

Come July 16, when it turns out to be true everybody will be saying how great The Reg is... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #208 of 239
My own snippet of info is the same as the Dorsal M architecture... he didn't invent it, if you read the RapidIO documentation it is spelled out in detail.

The Register's latest rumour claims the new G4 will support a DDR MPX FSB. I went back and re-read my other source and it did not explicitly state that DDR wouldn't happen, so I guess The Register's 7470 might be correct. I guess we'll know July 16. Either way, I'm buying a machine, and if you go find my predicitons from a month ago I said DDR @ 1.5 GHz.

I also thought it was perceptive of The Register (or their contributor) to say that Moto will be going wider, rather than faster (albeit 2.4 GHz isn't a slouch). In the long run I think this is the way to go and is more in line with what the PPC philosophy has always been.

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post #209 of 239
I wasnt trying to shoot down the register as i do love the way they stick it to M$ But they're pretty good at wording stuff as if they have a direct channel to Steve Jobs brain.... I just felt that they are a bit too important a news source to go rumour-mongering like some others (who-will-remain-nameless) .....
Anyway its only a rumour and not the end of the world..... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> People do get rather uptight on AI <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> (not you of course!!)
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post #210 of 239
[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>Either way, I'm buying a machine, and if you go find my predicitons from a month ago I said DDR @ 1.5 GHz.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

In the end, this is what it comes down to. When people are ready to upgrade, they will and do. I too plan to purchase a high end machine after MWNY. In fact, I'll be going to MWNY, anyone else? However, I'm keeping my expectations lower (dual 1.2GHZ G4s, 512k L2 cache, based on Mot's Hip7 process and XServe like DDR implementation. Anything more than that will happily surprise me.

On a side note, the time frame will be very close to nVidia's next generation video card announcement which is scheduled for August. This could be an interesting show.

Steve
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Programmer,
Thanks for the "sanity check". I'm ready for an upgrade ... hopefully, I'll do it after MWNY.
post #212 of 239
The number of current promotions on PowerMacs is what give me the most hope. In the past several years, there has never been anything quite like this.

200-300 Mail-in Rebate
200-300 LCD discount
100 iPod Discount
Rebates on other products with AppleCare
Free Firefly HD if you CTO

There were practically no promotions (except the LCD thing) last January, and nothing that I recall last year at this time.
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just an aside, but Tekserve, the big Apple repair and support site in NYC, is moving to a new storefront (previously they were on the 4th Fl of a loft building)during the first week of June. They're having an event each day, catering to the various Apple markets (design, DTP, web, video, etc). Anyone in NY area might want to check it out, as there may be some info to be had. Check their <a href="http://www.tekserve.com" target="_blank">website</a> for the schedule (Tues., June 4 is pro day).
post #214 of 239
[quote]Originally posted by briareos:
<strong>Well, for what it's worth, I just read this @ Metafilter. If true, then they should just do it and get the pain and howling over with ASAP.



I think that Apple is preparing to move OSX onto AMD's new 64-bit architecture and that is why these ports are being made. I like Motorola a lot, but if Apple could make the move to the AMD-64 it would leapfrog MS/Intel's problems moving win to a 64-bit architecture and get a 2x-3x clockspeed boost. BSD on 64-bit x86-like hardware has already been done to boot... and the early reports say that AMD is hitting 2+Ghz on thier prototypes with much faster speeds on the way. Only problem is AMD doesn't have anyone to buy these chips from them as they are not Intel compat.

It might be everything we always wanted and more.

posted by n9 at 3:14 PM PST on May 14
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This reminds me of an Aerosmith song...

Dream On...

AMD has been trying to woo Apple from Motorola for years. Apple wants to deal with IBM again. Unfortunately, IBM is too large to really do what Apple needs to do to get the job done.

And Apple will NOT use an X86 based system. If they use AMD RISC chips, they will either still be PowerPC designed by Apple, produced by AMD, or they will be a new motherboard design for the AMD RISC chips.

But both are VERY BIG IFFS.
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[quote]Originally posted by null:
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This reminds me of an Aerosmith song...

Dream On...

AMD has been trying to woo Apple from Motorola for years. Apple wants to deal with IBM again. Unfortunately, IBM is too large to really do what Apple needs to do to get the job done.

And Apple will NOT use an X86 based system. If they use AMD RISC chips, they will either still be PowerPC designed by Apple, produced by AMD, or they will be a new motherboard design for the AMD RISC chips.

But both are VERY BIG IFFS.</strong><hr></blockquote>

2x to 3x clock boost does not equal to 2x to 3x speed increase, so what would be the point (except for/if 64-bit)
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post #216 of 239
Just for Lemon Bon Bon:

<a href="http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/default.htm</A>

<a href="http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/welcome.html" target="_blank">http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/welcome.html</A>

<a href="http://www.gateway.com/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.gateway.com/index.shtml</A>

<a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/" target="_blank">http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/</A>

These are just a few Wintel based machines. I am sure you will find something you like here.

Please do it. Your constant pissing, moaning, and whining is getting a little old.
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[quote]Originally posted by Cobra:
<strong>Just for Lemon Bon Bon:

<a href="http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/default.htm</a>

<a href="http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/welcome.html" target="_blank">http://thenew.hp.com/country/us/eng/welcome.html</a>

<a href="http://www.gateway.com/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.gateway.com/index.shtml</a>

<a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/" target="_blank">http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/</a>

These are just a few Wintel based machines. I am sure you will find something you like here.

Please do it. Your constant pissing, moaning, and whining is getting a little old.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah and extra bonus is a free copy of WindBlows peepee
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post #218 of 239
"Tx."

"pissing"

Yup.

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Yup.

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Nice dodgin' there.

Yup.
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"Nice dodgin' there.
Yup."

Thanks...


detah

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post #222 of 239
Moderators,

Could someone move at least part of this thread to CURRENT HARDWARE? I think Lemon Bon Bon's displeasure with the CURRENT state of PowerMac offerings shouldn't be in FUTURE HARDWARE for obvious reasons.

Just my two cents.
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We can't split threads up, so instead I'll ask that the topic return to speculation about what Apple will unveil in July, given what we know about the XServe.

Posts about current Apple hardware belong in Current Hardware. Rants about Apple hardware belong in General Discussion.

And really, there only needs to be one of those threads. There is no benefit in hijacking every thread on the boards to mention that you consider current Apple hardware to be inadequate. Even if, for your purposes, it is. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #224 of 239
It's worth mentioning that The Register's current crop of rumours fit in line with a lot of the stuff some people were hearing long before anybody decided to publish it.

They may not be right about clock speeds but I wouldn't be surprised if they are correct on the chip.
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post #225 of 239
Would there be any benefit on a desktop machine to keeping the 4 ATA/100 busses? I mean lets say the G4 IS still stuck at 1-1.2 Ghz and basically the machine gets an XServe type DDR solution and maybe a minor speed bump (we won't really have good idea one way or the other until maybe a week or so before the show). Could Apple differentiate the new "high-end" machines from the old high-end (and the encroaching consumer Macs) by a built in RAID solution on the top machine? The XServe as I understand it, introduced the ability to be able to boot from a raid. Albeit, this is a software raid but it would still net an appreciable speed boost over a single drive wouldn't it? OS X loves a fast disk, so how much of a speed boost would they realize from a raid? Would that along with (if NMR is right) 10.2 cover for a processor disappointment?
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post #226 of 239
many people aren't going to pay $2999 for a single 1Ghz proc rackmount, when they can purchase a $2299 1.2Ghz with better ddr implementation...

wake up and smell the poo...

the mwny powermacs will be basically identical to the Xserve specs. maybe you can buy a dual 1.2Ghz as the "Ultimate" option, woop-ti-Fricken-doo.

-no 1394b
-no ddr fsb
-no usb 2.0

apple will dress up the powermac with a neat-o tablet device that wows all dorks who fall under the "i-need-a-computer-with-sex-appeal-to-achieve-my-unconscious-sexual-goals" market. not that there is anything wrong with this, just better ways to achieve these goals.
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[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>We can't split threads up, so instead I'll ask that the topic return to speculation about what Apple will unveil in July, given what we know about the XServe.

Posts about current Apple hardware belong in Current Hardware. Rants about Apple hardware belong in General Discussion.

And really, there only needs to be one of those threads. There is no benefit in hijacking every thread on the boards to mention that you consider current Apple hardware to be inadequate. Even if, for your purposes, it is. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nicely put.

BTW: Should Apple implement a faster FSB in July? Yes. Will Apple implment a faster FSB in July? Probably not, cause Apple just seems to be behind in these types of things. Given the Xserve specs, I think we will see the smokescreen DDR Power Macs in July, true REAL DDR Power Macs in January.

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[quote]Originally posted by Bodhi:
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Nicely put.

BTW: Should Apple implement a faster FSB in July? Yes. Will Apple implment a faster FSB in July? Probably not, cause Apple just seems to be behind in these types of things. Given the Xserve specs, I think we will see the smokescreen DDR Power Macs in July, true REAL DDR Power Macs in January.

[ 05-27-2002: Message edited by: Bodhi ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just to be clear: its not up to Apple to implement a DDR FSB. This is a feature of the processor, and that is up to Motorola (or whatever PPC supplier Apple uses).
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Here are some of my thoughts/questions on future Macs and PC comparisons to them. First bandwidth to the processor and ram is first and foremost the "performance" gain. If Apple can't put more zero's and ones to the the processor and associated hardware the "2.4" gig that PC are wailing about means bubcus. The relevance of Processor speed stopped when they reached about 800 Mhz. I have found that very very few people in a professional PC user atomosphere can even push a 1 ghz pc processor to what it could do. The thing is even a programmer can't get out of the zero and one counter what it can do if they can not push code to it from the ram and hd. So give us real architecture that will choke a processor and then worry about what Intel is doing that Moto isn't.

Next higher clocks is a product of deeper pipelines in todays market, not of producing a processor that can get things in and out faster. So what happens is, the pipeline gets deeper the code gets split further going in and needs more time to be reassembled coming out. More overhead is lost in the split/recombine area so the percent gain is cut badly.

Now Moto is doing it too to reach the market that, well it and Apple started. They had the fastest a few years ago, anyone remember that? Well it came back to bit them in the arse because they made megahertz the standard. The other guy "cheated" he said ok here's the thing i can get more Mhz and not a whole lot more performance by doing the pipeline thing. Moto and Apple sat looking for a long while at how to scale the processor with the best processing ability to higher clocks, turns out the cheat wasn't so much of a cheat after all it's Really tough to do.

For Macworld NY well i sure hope Apple finds a way to put enough bandwidth through their machine to get all those fps's and quartz affects working. The best would be a 266 fsb and rapid IO. I would consider buying then because i learned when i went from my upgraded Performa 6400 G3/300 to a G4 400 that even though Macbench said i was only getting 100 points more on my new spiffy G4 processor that i was getting more than triple the performance in fps and all. It's because i was getting 230 MB/sec across the bus as compared to 28 MB/sec.

Give me a true 266 fbs and 1.6 Ghz(my deal with my fiance was 4 times the Mhz and i will upgrade and i'll be inline at the apple store.

PS anyone want to clearify DDR for me, it is my understanding that it is just PC 133 running in parallel. Are there twice as many pins to carry the doubled bandwidth or have they been wasting what was already there?
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Many of the rumours floating about point to a bumped G4 and DDR memory.

Why not a G4 with Rapid Io set up?

I can't believe it's taken Apple and Motorola this long to implement faster memory.

I didn't really notice that much difference between DDR ram and single data ram. Maybe it's no big deal. And if Moto's primary market isn't DDR? Then are they going to implement it 'just' for Apple?

Given the tech' 'difficulty'(?) of getting the current G4 and mobo to DDR/Mobo...wouldn't it be best to go straight to Rapid Io with a G4 in it?

Like 'Yikes' kinda? (The Book 'E' architecture is the next one from IBM and Moto'. Surely they've not choice but to adopt it when Moto/IBM start making processors that feature 'Io' this year/next year?)

Then drop the G5 in next year when it's ready (if it's not ready now...I still don't believe it's not ready. I'm still hoping Apple will surprise us as they did with the original G4 announcement.)

Didn't Jobs say in the 'Time' iMac story at the start of the year that Apple 'deferred' introducing G5s until later on in the year?

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[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
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Didn't Jobs say in the 'Time' iMac story at the start of the year that Apple 'deferred' introducing G5s until later on in the year?

Lemon Bon Bon</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL, Jobs didn't say that. If he had, don't you think it would be quoted in practically every post at AI?

The G5 isn't going to be here at MWNY, no way. We would have heard more rumors about it by now. You can't keep something like that under wraps so close to it's introduction. ...or maybe?

Apple DID manage to keep the iMac secret until it's intro, but that was different in that it was a repackaging of old tech. New tech requires extensive field testing and we would have heard about it by now. And we have. There have been numerous reports of people field testing either G5s or mysterious sealed Mac enclosures that slay AMD Athlons for breakfast. It's very possible that Apple has been field testing the G5 for 8-12 months now. MWNY is certainly a possiblity.

Combined with the migration of all other Apple products to G4s (except the iBook, but the iBook even had a 66 MHz bus when PMs were using 133 MHz buses).

I say the G5 will be here soon. Maybe not MWNY, but soon...and I doubt very much that the Powermacs will be updated with some ultra-lame DDR hack. If the G5 isn't read at MWNY, then we will probably see no Powermac revision at MWNY.

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[quote]Originally posted by Ruhx:
<strong>PS anyone want to clearify DDR for me, it is my understanding that it is just PC 133 running in parallel. Are there twice as many pins to carry the doubled bandwidth or have they been wasting what was already there?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Basically, the individual RAM cells inside a DDR chip (note the difference here!) are about as fast as the ones in a conventional, SDR module (i.e. both are running at 133MHz).

Let's now assume we have a memory chip with 8 data pins.

In the case of SDR, during a data transfer, the content of 8 individual RAM cells (a RAM cell is where one individual bit is stored) would be read from the chip's internal memory array (the cells are organised into 2-dimensional arrays of rows and columns), and then put the 8 bits onto the respective data pins for one clock cycle.

A DDR chip, on the other hand, would not only read 8, but 16 cells at once. Since we still only have 8 data pins, the 16 bits are then time-multiplexed such that half of them are transmitted during the first half-period of the clock signal (i.e. after the rising signal edge), and the other are then transmitted during the second half-period (i.e. after the falling signal edge). That way, we get an effective data transfer speed of twice the clock speed. (Note that row and column address transfers still happen at the original clock speed only!)

Hope this clarifies it a bit. If not, I have some diagrams I could scan that might help illustrate it a little further.

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RazzFazz

(EDIT: Had some terms mixed up, should be correct now.)

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[quote] ...give us real architecture that will choke a processor and then worry about what Intel is doing that Moto isn't. <hr></blockquote>

Precisely. I think we'll see Apple do just that. As the DWAG says,
[quote] RapidIO is on Motorola's roadmap, so it's a good bet that in place of an MPX double pumped DDR frontside bus, the G4 or G5 will get a RapidIO bus. <hr></blockquote>

That would help explain the mysterious Athlon-pounding performers reputed to have circulated in closed-door Hollywood circles.

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why the hell would apple release server hardware with these specs, if they can release a powermac with 100% performance gains a month later?

They wouldn't! scratch rapid i/o cuz it ain't gonna be at mwny. like it was said before, ddr is just a smokescreen to keep the elderly purchasers.
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[quote]Originally posted by detah:
<strong>why the hell would apple release server hardware with these specs, if they can release a powermac with 100% performance gains a month later?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because you can stuff a whole lot more performance into a tower than you can into a 1U rack?

If Apple shipped a desktop that seriously outperformed their 1U server at CPU-bound tasks they'd just be at par with everyone else. The XServe will still have a number of material advantages over the tower that are important for its customers.

Processing power is not a primary consideration for servers. I/O bandwidth is.

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[quote]Originally posted by detah:
<strong>why the hell would apple release server hardware with these specs, if they can release a powermac with 100% performance gains a month later?

They wouldn't! scratch rapid i/o cuz it ain't gonna be at mwny. like it was said before, ddr is just a smokescreen to keep the elderly purchasers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It is pretty normal operating procedure to use the previous generation processor in a rack mounted server... especially if the newer one isn't quite ready yet. More interesting is the move to DDR, and large amounts of it, in the servers. Apple has to buy memory in large amounts to keep its costs down, so would it start shipping just a rack mounted server with DDR? Or will the new desktops start shipping with it too? We'll find out in the next little while....
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"it was a repackaging of old tech."

Interesting. That. (I'm shocked. I didn't realise Apple went in for repackaging 'old tech' at a premium price... Ol' honest Stevie...selling out of date Rage cards for loads of dosh? He...he wouldn't do that...would he?)




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"I say the G5 will be here soon. Maybe not MWNY, but soon...and I doubt very much that the Powermacs will be updated with some ultra-lame DDR hack. If the G5 isn't read at MWNY, then we will probably see no Powermac revision at MWNY."

Perhaps they have other fish to fry at Macworld New York? Some weird iPod style gadjets et al?

I wish I knew. Blind faith tells me that we'll see the G5 within the year. Optimistically, I want to believe Steve Jobs will pull off a sensational New York show and stun us all.

Part of me thinks the G5 might be 'readied' behind the scenes this year, ramp up at October and ship for Macworld early 2003.

Maybe we'll see no Powermacs at New York? What about Seybold? G5s previewed in August and shipping Sept/October? That leaves a 2003 San Fran' show too close?

My blind faith gut feeling says G5s will be here soon. Recall Macuser or was it Macworld UK expecting G5s by the year's end.

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